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coyo7e posted:I haven't really left lane county in a decade or more, 
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Shiroc posted:Having grown up in Cleveland, the idea that any part of modern Seattle/Greater Puget Sound being an ultra dangerous, crime-ridden place that decent people need to hide away from is absurd. It's funny, people say the same thing about most of Snohomish county. It's pretty obnoxious to be honest.
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It's all relative. Compared to where I grew up (Boston), Seattle has twice as much property crime but half as much violent crime. And compared to, say, Washington DC or Baltimore, Boston hardly has any bad areas either.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:39
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Its nice and all to talk about how worldly you are but it sure would be nice if leftist organizing would go south of the belt line more often than a victorian patrician.
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Mar 13, 2017 14:21
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Is all I'm saying.
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Mar 13, 2017 14:30
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Speaking of Seattle being mostly white, this is a good article about being black in Seattle: https://medium.com/@ItsRonnieMf/black-in-seattle-3f67cb01961a#.d4pq70jr0
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Mar 13, 2017 14:44
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Reminder that if you aren't following Ijeoma Oluo you're a bad Seattleite.
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You don't need to follow her if enough of your friends already do. I swear every post of hers shows up in my feed that way.
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Mar 13, 2017 15:09
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So this showed up across the street from my apartment on 52nd. That is right off the Ave.
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Gerund posted:Its nice and all to talk about how worldly you are but it sure would be nice if leftist organizing would go south of the belt line more often than a victorian patrician. Socialist Alternative has a branch in Beacon Hill and South Seattle. We are also working on getting a branch up and running in Tacoma. If you want to help, I can get you in contact with the people doing that work. That is how the organization operates. Most people in the organization have a full time job outside of Socialist Alternative, and we pay dues to have as many full timers as we can.
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Mar 13, 2017 16:13
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DevNull posted:Socialist Alternative has a branch in Beacon Hill and South Seattle. We are also working on getting a branch up and running in Tacoma. If you want to help, I can get you in contact with the people doing that work. That is how the organization operates. Most people in the organization have a full time job outside of Socialist Alternative, and we pay dues to have as many full timers as we can.
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Mar 13, 2017 16:53
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DevNull posted:So this showed up across the street from my apartment on 52nd. That is right off the Ave. Sounds good to me
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Jack2142 posted:Where I live now in Ballard is way more white than where I grew up in around Tacoma and yes the amount of people who think Burien/Federal Way/Auburn etc. are all war-torn ghetto's is really loving weird to me. It's all relative. Compared to the rest of Seattle the south sound area is pretty loving lovely. Compared to Detroit or Baltimore it's great. I missed the recent drive-by on 228th in Kent by less than 5 minutes.
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Mar 13, 2017 18:34
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Shiroc posted:Having grown up in Cleveland, the idea that any part of modern Seattle/Greater Puget Sound being an ultra dangerous, crime-ridden place that decent people need to hide away from is absurd. So much this. I grew up in Memphis TN and I'm always shocked when people are like "oh i'm terrified of waiting for a bus on Aurora/in Burien/Beacon Hill/ etc." I got fuckin mugged with a knife when I was 6 for my monthly lunch card money by teenagers in Memphis at my elementary school bus stop. "Oh someone stole my cellphone i'm terrified" "look at all this graffiti it is so terrible" Oh Please. I rolled my eye so hard when my car got broken into once and my in laws acted like I had been personally assaulted. Its just a car.
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I was driving through Beacon Hill once and got mooned full rear end by a homeless person. Great experience.
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seiferguy posted:I was driving through Beacon Hill once and got mooned full rear end by a homeless person. Great experience. I once got to report an old white dude who had his dick out on a bus. He was clearly staring at a little kid while masturbating. In 12 years of living in Seattle that is probably the worst thing i've seen. The bus driver literally took off running to catch him and looked like if he got him, the bus driver would have beaten the poo poo out of him. Well the girl getting hit by a box truck on her bike in front of my office was also horrible but that's a different kind of thing.
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Yeah, we have been kind of busy since the election. As I said, we are mostly volunteers and it can be hard to find time to meet with everyone when we have full time jobs. We are also a fairly small organization. We reach out as best we can to people in places like Everett and Tacoma, but setting up new branches is a ton of work. I can reach out on Twitter to that person, but there are going to be limits in what we can do. Keep in mind that we are looking for members that will be able to participate in organized events and such.
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Mar 13, 2017 18:55
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DevNull posted:Yeah, we have been kind of busy since the election. As I said, we are mostly volunteers and it can be hard to find time to meet with everyone when we have full time jobs. We are also a fairly small organization. We reach out as best we can to people in places like Everett and Tacoma, but setting up new branches is a ton of work. I can reach out on Twitter to that person, but there are going to be limits in what we can do. Keep in mind that we are looking for members that will be able to participate in organized events and such.
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anthonypants posted:He's in Centralia, so, There is an SA branch at Evergreen in Olympia he should contact. My experience with SA is that it isn't a super 'open' organization and you have to go through a bunch of poo poo just to start meeting with people, this was years ago though so it might have changed. There's a DSA group in Olympia as well. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 19:15
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Doorknob Slobber posted:There is an SA branch at Evergreen in Olympia he should contact. My experience with SA is that it isn't a super 'open' organization and you have to go through a bunch of poo poo just to start meeting with people, this was years ago though so it might have changed. There's also a DSA group in Olympia as well.
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anthonypants posted:In Portland I sat in a couple meetings and had a one-on-one with one of the members and then I started paying dues. Seemed pretty open to me. I guess maybe there were no meetings here when I was trying to join, I did like a month of one on ones and then the SA dude said they were going to start having bigger meetings and nothing really ever materialized from that.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:There is an SA branch at Evergreen in Olympia he should contact. My experience with SA is that it isn't a super 'open' organization and you have to go through a bunch of poo poo just to start meeting with people, this was years ago though so it might have changed. There's a DSA group in Olympia as well. I didn't go though a bunch of poo poo, but we make sure that the person is a good fit for the organization. We want people to understand that we aren't just looking to influence the Democrats, and we don't support capitalism in any form. I don't think we are doing major purity tests though. Part of the bigger issue is getting people that will be active. We aren't looking for members that just pay a yearly membership fee and voting for someone we support. anthonypants posted:In Portland I sat in a couple meetings and had a one-on-one with one of the members and then I started paying dues. Seemed pretty open to me. This is pretty much how it went for me. Having cadres organizing in places like Centralia would be great, but that takes a group of full time people willing to move around. We don't have that yet.
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DevNull posted:I didn't go though a bunch of poo poo, but we make sure that the person is a good fit for the organization. We want people to understand that we aren't just looking to influence the Democrats, and we don't support capitalism in any form. I don't think we are doing major purity tests though. Part of the bigger issue is getting people that will be active. We aren't looking for members that just pay a yearly membership fee and voting for someone we support. Why would you not want members at whatever activity level they can maintain? Especially ones that pay dues and vote for your candidates? Political movements require passive support as well in order to survive. therobit fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 20:46
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therobit posted:Why would you not want members at whatever activity level they can maintain? Especially ones that pay dues and vote for your candidates? Political movements require passive support as well in order to survive. Yeah this is puzzling to me and smacks of desiring purity so it doesn't cost as much administrative overhead.
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therobit posted:Why would you not want members at whatever activity level they can maintain? Especially ones that pay dues and vote for your candidates? Political movements require passive support as well in order to survive. We have that. They are called supporters. I should have clarified that. They won't have voting rights within the org though. Keep in mind that we don't really run many candidates. Our goal isn't just to run our own set of candidates, but to organize people to get them involved in different actions. For example, we didn't stack city hall with our own candidates to divest from Wells Fargo. We helped get a bunch of different orgs into city hall and pressure council into action.
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One weird tip to lower homeless populations: http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2017/03/13/18890506/portland-business-owner-wont-be-charged-for-killing-a-homeless-man-last-month
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I mean I get out, I visit family, I travel out of state.. But I haven't been able to afford a road trip in ages. My last one was like 7+ years ago when my granfather passed away and I went to Nebraska. I wish that I had more opportunities to visit other states more often but seriously, when my rent is going up by 17% a year it's all I can do to afford to rent a home without a roommate.
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anthonypants posted:One weird tip to lower homeless populations: http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2017/03/13/18890506/portland-business-owner-wont-be-charged-for-killing-a-homeless-man-last-month quote:I can’t think of another time when someone was shot in cold blood, who was not armed and was not committing a crime, that charges weren’t filed. really? not one other time?
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Well usually the shooter has a tin star.
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anthonypants posted:One weird tip to lower homeless populations: http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2017/03/13/18890506/portland-business-owner-wont-be-charged-for-killing-a-homeless-man-last-month gently caress.
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Whats the difference between all these commie groups? DSA? SA? I know there were at least another 2 mentioned in the thread. I know leftists splintering into a meaningless infighting factions is a stereotype, but really if you aren't going to be democrats why not just have 1 organization?
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KingFisher posted:Whats the difference between all these commie groups? DSA? SA?
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anthonypants posted:The DSA is an organization whose intent is to reform the Democrat party, and is not a political party. SA is a political party. What you say about the DSA is the historical strategy under Michael Harrington and has remained true until recently, but it seems that the DSA has been rebuilding itself and distancing itself from the Democratic party. What they are now and what they are becoming seems to be a little unclear, but there is an increasingly strong leftist caucus within the DSA that is trying to push it towards more radical politics. That being said, the DSA is indeed not a political party, whereas SA is. The International Socialist Organization is a revolutionary socialist organization that centers itself around grassroots activism and political education to try to help lay the groundwork for the emergence of a revolutionary political party that could actually smash the state apparatus. It has no pretension of being that party, however, and we consider this a long-term project. The ISO isn't very interested in electoral politics (which SA and even the current DSA definitely are) as much as it is union organizing (we're the main force behind the reform caucus of the teacher's union in Seattle, for instance) and street-level protest (we're also some of the main organizers behind Seattle Clinic Defense for instance) and political education (check out the publishing house we're attached to, Haymarket Books! also we have many recordings of radical thinkers here!) As to why we have different organizations, it's because our politics are different, our priorities are different, and we organize differently. That being said, socialist organizations can and historically have worked together on issues they share in common to good effect. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Well we work ok together when we're not too busy icepicking each other and killing Rosa Luxemburg. 
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Error 404 posted:Well we work ok together when we're not too busy icepicking each other and killing Rosa Luxemburg. Yes, I really should have put a "sometimes" in there, haha.
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Mr. Lobe posted:The ISO isn't very interested in electoral politics Do you think ISO will endorse Nikkita Oliver? I will be pretty disappointed if SA doesn't endorse her, seeing that we have invited her on stage with us for events. Error 404 posted:not too busy icepicking each other. As a Trotskyist, I love when people ask how I feel about Stalin. DevNull fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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DevNull posted:Do you think ISO will endorse Nikkita Oliver? I will be pretty disappointed if SA doesn't endorse her, seeing that we have invited her on stage with us for events. Yeah, we talked about it at a branch meeting recently. Electoral politics may not be our focus, but we certainly are always willing to endorse politicians who we think are worthwhile. We're all thrilled she's running, she's done so much good work with so many things, and it's always a treat whenever she speaks at marches and events.
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DevNull posted:As a Trotskyist, I love when people ask how I feel about Stalin. Same but in reverse 
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Shocking, that this could happen, in Portland, that left-wing bastion of the Pacific Northwest http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/03/14/a-klansman-surfaces-in-the-portland-area-where-neo-nazi-activity-is-already-bubbling/
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Don't worry, all the white people will just claim he was actually a leftist in drag, trying to torpedo Trump. Just like they did a day or so ago with that KKK flag on a building back east. But I am disappointed in you apants, that story is like two weeks old almost now. You usually are the first on top of stuff.
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