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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Pochoclo posted:Lol the tories will own absolutely nothing. Best to make plans now- my brother couldn't decide between Spain and Australia so he's doing both, and my sister has been talking with HSBC about her job going out to Paris since this shitshow got on the road. And they were born here. They just want off this racist feckin island!
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Mar 14, 2017 08:52
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My wife and I went to the doctor the other day for our baby's six week checks, and the doctor every so casually started asking about how long my wife had been here, her nationality and whether she had private health insurance. Is this something doctors are now expected to ask all EU citizens, is she an arch-Tory, loving this poo poo, or making conversation with all the tact and diplomacy of a loving shovel to a face? Either way, we're furious and my wife and I really don't want to live here anymore.
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Mar 14, 2017 08:58
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Well yes and it's not personal, everyone gets asked those questions when you fill in forms. The worst offenders are the British Ex-pats who come back to dear ol' Blighty when they get ill and are SHOCKED AND AMAZED when they get hit with a bill because they haven't been living in the UK for the last five years. There has been a huge crackdown on this and your doctor wasn't being nasty, she wanted to make sure your wife would not be hit with a huge bill if she got ill. My Uncle got ill in the UK and was SHOCKED AND AMAZED that he didn't qualify for NHS treatment anymore. They got health insurance and the next year his wife got dangerously ill and it would have cost them an absolute fortune.
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Mar 14, 2017 09:25
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Oh dear me posted:I'd rather we stopped talking as though we had a presidential system. May was elected as MP by her constituents and as party leader by her party, just like every other PM. She was not Tory party leader at the last general election, but she was in a position of considerable power. Nothing about this is not the voters' fault. Yeah, you become Prime Minister by being leader of the largest faction in the Commons. You don't get a personal mandate, beyond the one to represent your constituency.
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Mar 14, 2017 10:28
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TinTower posted:The Lords insisted on more rounds of ping pong on retroreflective tape on HGVs than they did about parliamentary sovereignty. Amazing how things differ when the government doesn't ignore 100+ peer defeats. Seriously, I can't quite tell if you're just doing the dull party political thing or you actually don't understand how Lords works.
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Mar 14, 2017 10:33
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Oh dear me posted:I'd rather we stopped talking as though we had a presidential system.
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Mar 14, 2017 10:36
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mfcrocker posted:Amazing how things differ when the government doesn't ignore 100+ peer defeats. Both Houses of Parliament must agree to the same text for a bill to pass. That's common to nearly all bicameral legislatures. Even with the Parliament Act, the Lords still retains a right to amend legislation and insist on its amendments. The Lords can delay a bill for a year. We barely even went a week here.
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Mar 14, 2017 10:47
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TinTower posted:Both Houses of Parliament must agree to the same text for a bill to pass. That's common to nearly all bicameral legislatures. What does delaying this bill for a year achieve? The government is literally never accepting these amendments; if they were, they'd have done it in the face of a 100 peer defeat.
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Mar 14, 2017 10:51
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Well, when you have a media terrorism apparatus that can sic fanatical right-wingers on you, you don't want to be on the headlines as ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE, I guess.
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Mar 14, 2017 10:52
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The lords is mostly there to stop people sneaking stuff though, and as a "are you sure"
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Mar 14, 2017 10:53
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mfcrocker posted:What does delaying this bill for a year achieve? The government is literally never accepting these amendments; if they were, they'd have done it in the face of a 100 peer defeat. There are three years until the next general election. Article 50 allows two years of negotiation. The government were "literally never accepting" the amendments to the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000. Doesn't mean the Tories didn't stop trying to kill the bill. learnincurve posted:The lords is mostly there to stop people sneaking stuff though, and as a "are you sure" I'm pretty sure that the latter applies to the parliamentary sovereignty amendment, at least.
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Mar 14, 2017 10:55
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The deputy governor of the bank of england has just resigned 2 weeks into the job after failing to disclose her brother worked for barclays lol
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Mar 14, 2017 11:02
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mfcrocker posted:What does delaying this bill for a year achieve? The government is literally never accepting these amendments; if they were, they'd have done it in the face of a 100 peer defeat. Are you arguing for abolishing the upper house entirely?
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Mar 14, 2017 11:01
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DesperateDan posted:But that wasn't the claim, the claim was, "remaining in the UK is the only way to stay in the EU". Turns out the only way for scotland to be in the EU is to leave the UK. quote:Would you care to explain why [Verhofstadt's] opinion is so easily disregarded rather than simply stating it as thus? I mean if the guy is an irrelevant fuckwad, my bad, but please explain- as lead brexit negotiator for the EU, I thought he might have some insight on poo poo inside the EU that your average SA poster might not. I mean so far since the referendum we've had him: - Ask through tears of rage why the Brits at the european parliament didn't go to America if they liked it so much (unbelievable). - Offer Brits who wrote to him some kind of special "one of the good ones" badge because he has no respect for working people of all European nations affected by this process. - Try to interfere in another referendum by suggesting that actually the Scots'll be fine to join if they quit, might even be some kind of special deal gently caress it why not so long as he's involved. The guy's a massive prima donna. He is almost the worst possible pick for lead EU negotiator, and it was a snub to send him to do the job. Thankfully we're sending our best in... *reads card* nostalgic libertarian David Davis MP, with the Disgraced Liam Fox as his second? Sakes.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:28
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mfcrocker posted:What does delaying this bill for a year achieve? The government is literally never accepting these amendments; if they were, they'd have done it in the face of a 100 peer defeat. A "100 peer defeat" isn't a meaningful thing, given how swiftly it crumbled. A year of delays is. It's unknown what the eventual outcome of the delays would be. But let's look at some things it would potentially do- Throw the government timetable completely out of whack, humiliating May Give more time for high level planning amongst the civil service and the EU as to the actual mechanics of Brexit Given more time to train and recruit key personnel- including the Trade Negotiators who will be key in a post Brexit situation Stoke popular anger against the lords- potentially leading to a wider effort to reform the house Stoke popular anger against the elites- leading to a rise of populist nationalism Trigger a snap election as the government tries to force the issue Lead to a general cooling off on Brexit, due to wider political circumstances Lead to the government caving, and passing an amended Bill in order to trigger Article 50 Something wild in the political landscape- a resurgent labour party, a worldwide economic downturn, massive global catastrophe, a big war or other total gamechanger (Many of these are mutually exclusive)
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Mar 14, 2017 11:29
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TinTower posted:There are three years until the next general election. And the election will be in May. 3 years from now is March, not May. May comes after March. You've also continued with this delusion that there is a leader of a political party who can win a mandate at the ballot box which also opposing Brexit. Which means you think Labour can win in 2020 and will also replace Corbyn soon, and that his replacement will be Clive Lewis. You're demanding the further polarisation of British politics on something which at this point seems so far-fetched as to be unimaginable without the use of psychedelic drugs. Brexit is happening. Anyway https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/841277537032556544
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Mar 14, 2017 11:33
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mfcrocker posted:What does delaying this bill for a year achieve? The government is literally never accepting these amendments; if they were, they'd have done it in the face of a 100 peer defeat. Events can still derail hard Brexit. A worsening economy could force Tories to come to their senses. And the longer it rumbles on, the clearer it will be that ministers have no plan. At every point progressives must fight, from securing pension rights for EU nationals who have paid taxes here for years to staying in Europol so we don’t see a recreation of the Costa del Crime.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:37
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Cerv posted:Events can still derail hard Brexit. A worsening economy could force Tories to come to their senses. And the longer it rumbles on, the clearer it will be that ministers have no plan. At every point progressives must fight, from securing pension rights for EU nationals who have paid taxes here for years to staying in Europol so we don’t see a recreation of the Costa del Crime. This is the thing really. "The situation seems bad- let's give up" is rarely the best solution, and never a solution that feels good. More could have been done, and it hasn't been done.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:39
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We could call it decelerationism.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:39
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Cerv posted:Events can still derail hard Brexit. A worsening economy could force Tories to come to their senses. And the longer it rumbles on, the clearer it will be that ministers have no plan. At every point progressives must fight, from securing pension rights for EU nationals who have paid taxes here for years to staying in Europol so we don’t see a recreation of the Costa del Crime. I really don't think it'd lead to public opinion turning against Brexit. Quite the opposite; all that'd happen is people would get hosed off with the Lords and Labour/Lib Dems for blocking THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE (tm) kustomkarkommando posted:Are you arguing for abolishing the upper house entirely? No? Quite the opposite, I'd prefer the upper house had more power, but not in its current unelected form. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore how the House of Lords works today in practice, which is that if the government has no interest in their amendments, they're poo poo out of luck.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:40
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Dehumanise yourself and face to Brexit, mate. In the meantime, it's now legal to fire people for wearing islamic headscarves and stuff. Legalised religious discrimination, nothing can possibly go wrong.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:40
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forkboy84 posted:And the election will be in May. 3 years from now is March, not May. May comes after March. Parliament will get dissolved, at the latest, in March 2020. The Civil Service wouldn't even implement the Pet All Kittens Act during purdah, let alone the greatest constitutional change in a century.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:45
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TinTower posted:The Civil Service wouldn't even implement the Pet All Kittens Act during purdah, let alone the greatest constitutional change in a century. Emailing my MP immediately to get this Act through, but only if we can amend it to also include dogs.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:48
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Such a deal assumes that May would negotiate an utterly dogshit deal (at this point looking quite likely) that voters would come to their senses (not likely) and take part in the #LibDemFightBack leading to 100 years of Lib Dem hegemony.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:50
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mfcrocker posted:Emailing my MP immediately to get this Act through, but only if we can amend it to also include dogs. Listen here you anti-patriot, we tried to guarantee the petting of dogs but the EU said they wouldn't even talk about it until we formally initiated the Catxit process. We sympathise with dogs but we need to think about our kittens first.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:51
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https://twitter.com/j_amesp/status/841537108980449280
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Mar 14, 2017 11:52
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DesperateDan posted:But that wasn't the claim, the claim was, "remaining in the UK is the only way to stay in the EU". Turns out the only way for scotland to be in the EU is to leave the UK. Coming in to this a bit late, but I just wanted to clear up a misunderstanding. Verhofstadt is largely irrelevant at this stage - UK newspapers that keep referring to him as the EU's lead negotiator, but he's not. He represents the Parliament, and will have an influence over the final decision, but the negotiations themselves are led by the European Commission, not the Parliament. Michel Barnier is the lead Brexit negotiator, and he is the one the UK has to negotiate with. The process for Scottish accession would be very different and have to go through a few hurdles, but regarding this point, Verhfostadt can say whatever he wants, because he has no power to do any of it.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:53
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It fell around 100 basis points! ARGH!
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Mar 14, 2017 11:53
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Cerv posted:Events can still derail hard Brexit. A worsening economy could force Tories to come to their senses. lol May will happily destroy the UK economy before brexit if she thinks hard brexit is popular and things would get really bad/interesting once it happens
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Mar 14, 2017 11:56
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jBrereton posted:It fell around 100 basis points! ARGH!
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Mar 14, 2017 11:58
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Pochoclo posted:In the meantime, it's now legal to fire people for wearing islamic headscarves and stuff. Legalised religious discrimination, nothing can possibly go wrong. Still illegal under UK law. (With exception if you can demonstrate a genuine health & safety reason)
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Mar 14, 2017 11:58
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Jose posted:lol May will happily destroy the UK economy before brexit if she thinks hard brexit is popular and things would get really bad/interesting once it happens tories plural one thing they're good at is removing leaders who've lost their backing
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Mar 14, 2017 12:00
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Pesmerga posted:Verhfostadt can say whatever he wants, because he has no power to do any of it.
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Mar 14, 2017 12:11
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It's funny though, I'm almost certain that if the European court had allowed employers to ban headscarves a couple days -before- the referendum, Remain would have won. I mean just look at the Mail comments and such - "finally the EU starts listening to what people want". Disgusting.
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Mar 14, 2017 12:13
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Pochoclo posted:It's funny though, I'm almost certain that if the European court had allowed employers to ban headscarves a couple days -before- the referendum, Remain would have won. I mean just look at the Mail comments and such - "finally the EU starts listening to what people want". Disgusting. And the UK is still much more muslim-friendly than most of the rest of the EU.
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Mar 14, 2017 12:14
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I don't know, the vote was pretty drat close. A 2% swing would have been enough. It's still a useless what-if, though.
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Mar 14, 2017 12:31
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I think 'vote for us and we'll be more racist' might have lost the Asian vote.
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Mar 14, 2017 12:36
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quote:Arron Banks cuts links with Ukip
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Mar 14, 2017 12:51
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Why do people assume people voted to leave because of racism? I'm sick of the London based media portraying the majority of the country as being ignorant racists because they want to leave Europe. Your average racist is fully aware that Asia isn't in Europe and that won't make any difference to immigration from those countries. If you want a more accurate stereotype then try " being sick of the UK paying in to prop up Eastern European countries who don't contribute poo poo"
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Mar 14, 2017 12:55
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big scary monsters posted:I dunno, there was The Vow that was immediately shot and buried following the No vote, and there was Gordon Brown's last minute essay writing and I can barely remember what else Labour was involved in in the last referendum. Of course I was living in Scotland so probably wasn't the main focus of their campaign. Alistair Darling was the head of Better Together, and Jim Murphy made it his raison d'ętre to campaign against. The Unionist campaign was very much "Tory Money, Labour Action".
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