Pacra posted:

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• Marvel comic #3 - a Starfleet Academy book, which took place right after DS9's Little Green Men episode, when Nog gets to Earth. He's a main character of course, as Cadet Nog. This series follows the same xxxxxtreme late 90s style.
  
  
  
  

8one6 posted:

Also, does the collection not include the Gold Key Star trek books?
Edit:

This one was the oldest comic in my collection before I sold them all off.

gardenald posted:

Man I notice this every time I watch Duet but the rando racist Bajoran who kills Aamin Maritza is played by suuuuch a terrible actor

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

What, no mention of the Star Trek/X-Men crossover comic??



(there was a Star Trek TNG/X-Men crossover as well. it sucked)

8one6 posted:

I remember Starfleet Academy not being that bad.
I can only assume that middle school me just had bad taste and it was awful.

Also, does the collection not include the Gold Key Star trek books?
Edit:

This one was the oldest comic in my collection before I sold them all off.

Pacra posted:

twistedmentat posted:

So did Kirk take Jean Grey to his lovenasium?

Also Lt Shelby is a borg! It's all Rikers fault! Is hilarious.

8one6 posted:

Also, does the collection not include the Gold Key Star trek books?
Edit:

This one was the oldest comic in my collection before I sold them all off.

mllaneza posted:

The Gold Key comics were wonderful. The artist had very... limited references to work from.

Duckbag posted:

Yeah, Martok's wife is amazing. I love how Worf is basically all "just do whatever she says" when Dax knows the only way to earn her respect is to stand up to her.

Wheat Loaf posted:

I feel as though Worf and Dax's marriage probably wouldn't have lasted anyway if she'd survived.

The_Doctor posted:

It's ok, she made Captain by the time of 'You are Cordially Invited...' apparently.

Wheat Loaf posted:

I don't imagine Bashir and Ezri lasted long past the end of the series either.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I still think there must have been at least one shouting match in the writers room over whether the O'Briens should have divorced at some point.

Pacra posted:

• Marvel comic #4 - a DS9 book. Notable for still being xxxxtreme, but with better art than the Malibu series (Marvel had just bought them out and restarted the DS9 run. These take place during the 5th and 6th seasons.)
  
  
  

Timby posted:

I'm almost positive that someone -- maybe Moore -- says in the Companion that it was discussed on more than one occasion.

The Bloop posted:

She might have loosened Worf up enough, who knows.

Otherwise yeah, she'd leave him when he insisted on doing the 72 hour Do'r'ghnugh ritual every anniversary or making their toddler eat a live targ heart or something.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I still think there must have been at least one shouting match in the writers room over whether the O'Briens should have divorced at some point.

mllaneza posted:

The Gold Key comics were wonderful. The artist had very... limited references to work from.

kaworu posted:

Although there was the first Barclay episode where we learn that "Master Barclay" apparently enjoys "spanking" a holographic Wesley, dressed in fetishistic "blue boy" type clothing. I always wondered about that line.

kaworu posted:

But anyway, both episodes kinda go out of their way to show that free love does NOT exist in the future, and everyone is apparently OK with this, and the fact that we never really see, nor hear speak of, *any* REMOTELY homosexual relationships in ANY of the 450-odd episodes, barring the two aforementioned episodes.

Lord Hydronium posted:

Don't forget the evil bisexuals of the Mirror Universe.

kaworu posted:

Star Trek has always been a bit... Heavy-handed and WAY the gently caress behind the times as far as "progressive thought" goes. Roddenberry's heart was in the right place (and he did a good job of it in the '60s with early TOS) but especially in like late TOS (Turnabout Intruder comes to mind) and early TNG, he was just very clumsy and heavy-handed (and downright embarrassing) when trying to portray his brand utopianism or whatever. Skants come to mind, as well as the episode "Justice" (which I actually enjoy despite its absurdity because it's practically a TOS episode in its vibe).

And then Berman took over, and he was EXTREMELY adamant about pushing out any and all attempts to include overt homosexuality on the show. It's actually sort of AMAZING that Berman kept it up for literally ~450 episodes (or thereabouts) of Star Trek spanning from season 3 of TNG to the end of Enterprise, out of *every* show you'll find writers complaining about how he would *always* turn any gay characters straight or excise any references to gay people. Even in the *one* episode on DS9 that featured a gay kiss (two attractive female actors of course) had to do with Dax and the context of the episode was that their relationship was taboo to Trill society (but not because they were gay nuh-uh!) but for another annoyingly complex reason dealing with symbiants and past hosts getting involved.

It reminded me oddly of the one TNG episode that dared to go near homosexuality with a 200,000-foot pole in the episode "The Outcast" where Riker falls in love with a person who belongs to a species with only one gender. Of course this person is *clearly* played by a woman, and talks about how it was always more natural for her to feel more feminine and want to be attracted to more masculine individuals, but of course her species vies this as EXTREMELY taboo and wrong, and they abduct her and brainwash her into being like them, and Riker sad but Prime Directive, end episode. At least that's how I recall it. It felt totally muddled and weird and the mono-gendered species came across like a bunch of really mean and bossy butch lesbians.

But anyway, both episodes kinda go out of their way to show that free love does NOT exist in the future, and everyone is apparently OK with this, and the fact that we never really see, nor hear speak of, *any* REMOTELY homosexual relationships in ANY of the 450-odd episodes, barring the two aforementioned episodes.

I also remember from that ridiculous Shatner documentary about TNG with all the silly animations, about the first two seasons of TNG and what a massive clusterfuck it was? Berman was talking to Gene about the episode Captain's Holiday, because there seemed to be some agreement that Picard ought to be doing a bit more "loving and fighting", and Gene was in particular very keen on Risa (of course) which he had a very specific vision for. He wanted there to be a *lot* of "same-sex" romance/copulation going on in the background scenes, and very much wanted to stress that homosexuality was a bit part of Risa. And Berman was like "yeah man right on" to Gene, who was pretty far gone at this point, and out of this conversation all he told the writer was "just get Picard laid", knowing that Gene probably wouldn't even remember the conversation anyway.

I don't know - it just makes me sad. I don't want Star Trek to be SUPER GAY or anything. It'd just be nice if they acknowledged the goddamn existence of homosexuality in the canon universe.

At least TOS is still full of awesome little homoerotic moments and has episodes like I, Mudd and Trouble with Tribbles written by David Gerrold with purposeful and amusing jokes that *gasp* touch on the existence of homosexuality! Such as when Kirk asks Mudd why he doesn't seem to have any "male androids". TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT would never even go that far in even REFERENCING the possibility of gay sex.

Although there was the first Barclay episode where we learn that "Master Barclay" apparently enjoys "spanking" a holographic Wesley, dressed in fetishistic "blue boy" type clothing. I always wondered about that line.

kaworu posted:

Although there was the first Barclay episode where we learn that "Master Barclay" apparently enjoys "spanking" a holographic Wesley, dressed in fetishistic "blue boy" type clothing. I always wondered about that line.

kaworu posted:

Thoughtful

Lincoln posted:

I'm about to watch the Voyager season 2 finale, in what is now my first-time viewing. I stopped watching about midway through S2 when it was new (graduated college, stopped giving a poo poo). And...AND.. I'm doing a first-time viewing of ENT at the same time. Every day I watch an episode of ENT while I'm working out. 45 or so minutes is perfect. I'm viewing 2007 Chinese DVD bootlegs, FWIW.

ENT started slow but has gotten steadily better. I understand they'll drop the temporal Cold War storyline soon, so it's hard to care too much about those episodes. Still, it's not great overall, just "good." Aside from T'Pol there's been little character growth. It is fun to see the seeds of the Federation, however. Love Phlox.

VOY has been more of a struggle. Janeway is a goddamn moron, and is written VERY inconsistently, aside from always making the wrong decision. The Doctor is great, 7o9 hasn't shown up yet, and everybody else sucks. I started out liking Neelix but now he's an annoying creep. Actually I like Tuvok. He seems to be the only one on board who knows what the gently caress is going on.

Huh I just realized the doctors are two of the most interesting characters on those shows. Like the opposite of TNG.

dont even fink about it posted:

You have to look at this historically. Ellen DeGeneres had a parental guidance warning put on her show in 1997 for every episode after she came out as gay, and then it went off the air. Today the controversy seems totally absurd to everyone. Homosexuality in mainstream media became acceptable at blinding speed, but before then it could end careers.

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By the time TNG rolled around, Gene was straight-up senile.

Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:

I've caught the Ellen coming out episode of Ellen a couple times recently on the Laff network and it ends up being really uncomfortable not for showing a gay person but how squeamish it is about gay people existing.

Baronjutter posted:

Star Trek is a terrifying world to live in. Every day there's some new threat that involves destroying your home world except some plucky heroes barely stop it, or don't and have to time travel. Being a human on earth during some decades the shows don't cover you can maybe imagine life is fairly uneventful. But otherwise it's "Hey remember that borg invasion? That was almost as bad as when we were freaking out about changelings taking over our government during a genocidal existential war that killed billions and we barely avoided a military coup. Which kinda reminded me of maybe a decade before how our government was almost taken over by horrible parasites that wanted to infest us all. Grandpa told me about this time the planet was almost destroyed by loving whale noises and some criminals had to time travel in a stolen ship to solve that one. PS I have no idea if any of my memories are real or if the timeline is constantly changing because time travel and alternate realities are all real. Better get back to shucking these oysters"

vermin posted:

How typical is the daily routine of the enterprise in any given show? Is the enterprise always that one ship that discovers Apollo and travels to the evil universe or is that happening on every ship all the time?