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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Pochoclo posted:Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've seen British tangerines, or bananas, or basically any kind of fruit that isn't strawberries/blueberries/raspberries/apples/pears.
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ThomasPaine posted:jfc did anyone post this already? It's the Telegraph so unless you're put off by the lack of calls for paup genocide I'm not sure what's surprising about that article.
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Mar 14, 2017 23:44
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Pochoclo posted:Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've seen British tangerines, or bananas, or basically any kind of fruit that isn't strawberries/blueberries/raspberries/apples/pears. not seen many british kiwi fruits or pineapples either
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Mar 14, 2017 23:44
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Tesseraction posted:It's the Telegraph so unless you're put off by the lack of calls for paup genocide I'm not sure what's surprising about that article. They usually go for a classier, more erudite brand of bigotry. They seem to be forgetting they're not the Mail here.
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Mar 14, 2017 23:46
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JFairfax posted:not seen many british kiwi fruits or pineapples either Spanish tangerines are loving delicious, if you stop selling those I'm moving out right then and there
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Mar 14, 2017 23:47
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ThomasPaine posted:jfc did anyone post this already? Allison Pearson. Quelle Suprise.
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Mar 14, 2017 23:49
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Paxman posted:A "Buy British" button could allow online shoppers to filter out filthy foreign groceries as we take back control from European cucumbers. Maybe a positive outcome of a descent into hermit kingdomry will be the growth of community aquaponics ventures and vinylon plants.
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Mar 14, 2017 23:51
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In case you guys were wondering whether it was really Corbyn's fault or it's just a bad time for anyone who isn't a fascist, here in the USA our leftist insurgency attempt has been successfully squashed by the corporatist centrists and they have still managed to prove themselves significantly less popular than Trump. In the face of the most unpopular leader of the other party of all time and absolutely no third party opposition, they are still quickly descending to UK labour polling numbers, because everyone has decided they'd just rather check out of politics completely than support the Dems. They are literally polling at the lowest they have in like a century, somewhere in the low 30s and still sinking. It's pretty funny. Just in case anyone was wondering what was going on across the pond where the Corbyn-style takeover failed. So, how has it been going in the UK? I have been having trouble keeping up with the stupid poo poo in my own country and genuinely miss following along with this thread. I hear Scotland is gonna give the indie thing another go?
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Mar 14, 2017 23:51
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Why eat a tangerine when you can eat a good british marrow
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Mar 14, 2017 23:52
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GlyphGryph posted:So, how has it been going in the UK?
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Mar 14, 2017 23:53
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Darth Walrus posted:They usually go for a classier, more erudite brand of bigotry. They seem to be forgetting they're not the Mail here. Isn't she primarily a columnist for the Mail? There's a reason Private Eye like to call it the Maily Telegraph these days.
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Mar 14, 2017 23:57
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I'm going to follow pissflaps on twitter
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Mar 15, 2017 00:08
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Surprised to see people were actually arguing about the pros/cons of trying to delay Brexit. The Lib Dems are well aware their strategy of opposing Brexit has a sell-by date. Once we've triggered Article 50 their position instantly starts to weaken until the day we actually leave the EU and it becomes totally irrelevant. Delaying Brexit almost certainly wouldn't benefit the country, but it would benefit the Lib Dems.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:16
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https://twitter.com/politicsasvines/status/841784162629648384
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Mar 15, 2017 00:24
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Namtab posted:I'm going to follow pissflaps on twitter Rock bottom.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:27
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JFairfax posted:not seen many british kiwi fruits or pineapples either
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Mar 15, 2017 00:30
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GlyphGryph posted:So, how has it been going in the UK? Today work announced they're shutting our centre down, shoving me somewhere that'll up my transport costs by six hundred quid a year and a bunch of other people are losing their job, so I nicked a load of shelving for my room. Otherwise I just stare out the window looking at the crows wandering about eating discarded pasties and wondering how my life turned out to be less fulfilling.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:31
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In the political irony to end all political ironies, Labour has attacked the Lib Dems for "endorsing the Tories' reckless approach to Brexit". You know, the approach that Jeremy Corbyn literally imposed a three line whip on.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:33
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Yeah it's surprising that anyone bothers to comment on what the Lib Dems are doing at all.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:38
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Well, Labour have to try to keep a hold of their Remain-leaning voters after royally loving them on a scale not seen since the Lib Dems on tuition fees.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:42
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GlyphGryph posted:In case you guys were wondering whether it was really Corbyn's fault or it's just a bad time for anyone who isn't a fascist, here in the USA our leftist insurgency attempt has been successfully squashed by the corporatist centrists and they have still managed to prove themselves significantly less popular than Trump. In the face of the most unpopular leader of the other party of all time and absolutely no third party opposition, they are still quickly descending to UK labour polling numbers, because everyone has decided they'd just rather check out of politics completely than support the Dems. They are literally polling at the lowest they have in like a century, somewhere in the low 30s and still sinking. It's pretty funny. Why do I think this is total bullshit?
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Mar 15, 2017 00:52
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Skinty McEdger posted:Reminder the man reason that Farage lost in Thanet south was that he never showed up to any of the campaign events that were scheduled for him and when he did he was woefully uninformed about local issues and turned his base against him, to the point the UKIP county counsellors started to actively distance themselves from him. Things came to a head when he didn't show up to one event claiming to be ill, and then appeared that same night on the BBC. Excuse me, I'm pretty sure the Al-Zebab nation of Ooog are the reason Farage lost.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnC9KjibiFY
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Mar 15, 2017 00:59
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Fangz posted:Why do I think this is total bullshit? The only poll out for the 2020 presidential has Generic Dem winning by eight percent… and Warren losing by seven. Generic Dem and Generic Rep are within the margin of error in the 2018 Congressional polling.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:02
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TinTower posted:Well, Labour have to try to keep a hold of their Remain-leaning voters after royally loving them on a scale not seen since the Lib Dems on tuition fees. Upside is that Labour still has voters to lose
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Mar 15, 2017 01:05
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TinTower posted:Well, Labour have to try to keep a hold of their Remain-leaning voters after royally loving them on a scale not seen since the Lib Dems on tuition fees. You do realise that Labour are the opposition while the Lib Dems actually hosed people over in government, right?
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Mar 15, 2017 01:11
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TinTower posted:The only poll out for the 2020 presidential has Generic Dem winning by eight percent… and Warren losing by seven. So, basically nothing like 'Labour is 18 points behind the tories'.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:13
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jabby posted:You do realise that Labour are the opposition It's pretty easy to forget lately to be honest.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:13
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BillBear posted:It's pretty easy to forget lately to be honest. Yeah, to be honest they're acting like a top-up on the government's majority.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:16
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TinTower posted:Yeah, to be honest they're acting like a top-up on the government's majority. Good job the Lib Dems have never enabled a Tory government!
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Mar 15, 2017 01:22
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TinTower posted:Yeah, to be honest they're acting like a top-up on the government's majority. Whereas the Lib Dems are so committed to opposing Brexit only seven out of their nine MPs voted against it.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:23
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All two of the big parties and the Lib Dems are pretty bad at the moment. Labour is the only one of the three that I see as having potential to improve though.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:24
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jabby posted:Whereas the Lib Dems are so committed to opposing Brexit only seven out of their nine MPs voted against it. That's three times as many as the proportion of Labour MPs who voted against it.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:30
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TinTower posted:That's three times as many as the proportion of Labour MPs who voted against it. It's great that the Lib Dems are at least pretending to stand on principle, but they kind of give the game away by incessantly blaming Labour for everything rather than the party in power. This is a short term grab for votes that will morph into a totally different position by the end of negotiations. I'm guessing that position will be 'vote for us and we'll totally moderate the Tories like we did last time!'
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Mar 15, 2017 01:55
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jabby posted:It's great that the Lib Dems are at least pretending to stand on principle, but they kind of give the game away by incessantly blaming Labour for everything rather than the party in power. This is a short term grab for votes that will morph into a totally different position by the end of negotiations. I'm guessing that position will be 'vote for us and we'll totally moderate the Tories like we did last time!' Dude, you're the one who insists on making a critique of Labour be about whether they are better than the lib dems. Lib dem/third party strategy is pretty obvious. Lotta floating Labour remain voters. Tory voters are mostly happy with what they are getting. What do you expect them to do here, praise Corbyn's leadership? 'Vote for us and we'll totally moderate the Tories like we did last time' is pretty much their current position and will continue to be their position as long as Labour are no-hopers. What else can a third party promise? Fangz fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 02:40
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Fangz posted:Dude, you're the one who insists on making a critique of Labour be about whether they are better than the lib dems. TinTower posted:Well, Labour have to try to keep a hold of their Remain-leaning voters after royally loving them on a scale not seen since the Lib Dems on tuition fees. However much you disagree with Labour's stance on the referendum result, nothing they can possibly do in opposition comes close to what the Lib Dems did while in power.
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Mar 15, 2017 02:56
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TinTower posted:The only poll out for the 2020 presidential has Generic Dem winning by eight percent… and Warren losing by seven. Generic X vs an actual candidate polls are bullshit though cos that generic X could be all things to all people.
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Mar 15, 2017 03:20
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Baron Corbyn posted:Generic X vs an actual candidate polls are bullshit though cos that generic X could be all things to all people. Yes. The point is that there isn't really any US polling that is comparable to UK voting intention polling.
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Mar 15, 2017 03:38
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Fangz posted:Yes. The point is that there isn't really any US polling that is comparable to UK voting intention polling. true but opinion polling have them at a net favorability of around -15, which isn't as bad as Corbyn but still somehow worse than Trump, which is insane. Favorability polls have done well at predicting the results of elections where voter intention has failed (see Ed Miliband) but it's early days yet.
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Mar 15, 2017 04:40
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Who the gently caress in the US doesn't think Trump's a shambles?  I mean I'm gonna assume there's like 15-20% who're just die-hard MAGA fans who're never going to believe trump's anything but perfect and 15-20% who're so republican they'll vote for toast if it's got the right lapel, but surely literally everyone else should be  about now.
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Mar 15, 2017 04:56
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Oh they think Trump is a shambles. His ratings are the lowest for any sitting President. They just think that the establishment, neo-liberal Democratic party are even more of a shambles. Which they are.
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