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Kalli posted:The Browns absolutely can go into the season with Kessler and <____> at QB. Why would they be at risk of being fired if this is a nothing season? Everything they've done and indicated over the past two years was righting the ship through a long rebuilding process. If the Browns have a repeat of last season, you don't think it'll be the hot seat for those in charge? I'm not saying Jimmy G is the answer. I'm just saying I think they need to add 2-3 more wins to show progress and the Browns FO may feel that improving at QB is one way to ensure that happens. I don't know how much you can read into the machinations of the Patriots quarterback drafting. I mean they drafted Ryan Mallett and had to know he sucked, but waited three years before grabbing another prospect. Was Brissett just BPA? Or did they draft him with the idea of trading Jimmy away as they've done before? Who the gently caress knows.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I agree, there is not a huge market, I think it is literally one team at this point, the Browns and maybe the 49ers. But I think if the Browns were serious about one of the free agent options there would have been some chatter about that by now. They absolutely cannot go into the 2017 season with just Brock and Kody, for the aforementioned reasons (pink slips). So I think they are totally still in the Jimmy G market. They absolutely can and will go into the season with Brock/Kessler. They have 11 draft picks this year AND next year. Multiple first, seconds and thirds. There's no reason to spend that equity on an unproven QB, your argument doesn't make sense with what they've been actually doing.
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kaepernick has an actual ceiling we've seen before (super bowl quarterback) whereas garapolo hasn't done poo poo. if pats fans love him so much then fine, he's yours forever
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Kalli posted:The Browns absolutely can go into the season with Kessler and <____> at QB. Why would they be at risk of being fired if this is a nothing season? Everything they've done and indicated over the past two years was righting the ship through a long rebuilding process. Even if they think Jimmy G has the potential to be the next Brady and won't trade him for anything it wouldn't be that unreasonable to get a backup plan considering that he's still only potential. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that RGIII was a stupendously hot prospect.
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GaussianCopula posted:Belichick knew at that point that he would need a 3rd QB for at least 4 games because of the Brady suspension and the best brains in football (Bill and Ernie) certainly planned for the eventuality that they want to trade Jimmy G after the season and that 2017 was a weak QB class, so they drafted their next backup QB, who won them a game. If you need a 3rd string QB to play backup for the first four games you sign a scrubby backup with experience, not a rookie QB who will most likely know so little as to be useless if he has to play.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:01
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Is Kirk Cousins not an option for the Browns?
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warcrimes posted:They absolutely can and will go into the season with Brock/Kessler. They have 11 draft picks this year AND next year. Multiple first, seconds and thirds. There's no reason to spend that equity on an unproven QB, your argument doesn't make sense with what they've been actually doing. What are they going to do with these 11 draft picks if not spend them on unproven players that you project are going to be good?
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Leperflesh posted:Is Kirk Cousins not an option for the Browns? Washington likely wants something dumb for him otherwise he'd probably be traded to the 49ers already. Or Washington's front office is such a mess that they can't really get it together enough to make those trades... Both are possible!
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warcrimes posted:They absolutely can and will go into the season with Brock/Kessler. They have 11 draft picks this year AND next year. Multiple first, seconds and thirds. There's no reason to spend that equity on an unproven QB, your argument doesn't make sense with what they've been actually doing. The argument is that the people in charge won't be around to spend those picks if they only win one game again. Also while I'm not specially making the argument that Jimmy G is some great QB prospect based on what we've seen, you have to keep in mind that that in the real world of the NFL people are willing to pay for potential. In the real world Brock Osweiller gets a million gazillion dollars after being benched for Peyton Manning's corpse. Sam Bradford, the definition of unearned potential, gets traded in back-to-back seasons, including for a 1st. Mike Glennon gets a $44 million deal.
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Kessler played well enough to get a real chance to start. I don't think he's the future but he wasn't embarrassing and could certainly improve especially with a better line in front of him.Leperflesh posted:Is Kirk Cousins not an option for the Browns? If Washington would trade him for the #12 pick I'd do it in a heartbeat, but he'd have to sign a new contract. Bigass Moth fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Cavauro posted:who touched him as a kid? I appreciated this post thank you
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Ok. No one is taking Kirk. Washington is keeping him. Everyone back off. He's not even that good. 
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this is kirk's last season in washington because dan snyder is a gigantic dipshit and it's really funny
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The argument is that the people in charge won't be around to spend those picks if they only win one game again. If Jimmy was a free agent, he'd probably get a lot of money on a deal they can escape from in 1-2 years like Osweiller / Glennon, but hell, not even a 2nd round pick is worth a $16m cap hit this year, teams have so much cap space right now that the Browns or 49ers would probably rather pay a random first round talent $25m next year then spend a first to draft him. Bradford fetched what he got from a desperate team in an awful injury situation that happened at the perfect time for a fleecing. And considering what happened to the Vikings for doing that, I doubt anyone's going to be up for a repeat of that this year.
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Dan Synder is going to personally give Kirk Cousins the franchise tag and spite-pay him 40 million dollars
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Yeah I really don't see a bottom-5 (Browns, 49ers, Jets) team trading for Kirk Cousins this offseason when they can just get him next offseason.
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Again, that is banking on the idea that the Browns FO stays intact.
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Bigass Moth posted:Kessler played well enough to get a real chance to start. I don't think he's the future but he wasn't embarrassing and could certainly improve especially with a better line in front of him. OK so http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2697999-kirk-cousins-trade-rumors-browns-reportedly-will-try-to-deal-for-redskins-qb Basically looks like the rumor is Cousins doesn't want to be traded to the browns. They could do it anyway, but he's on a one-year contract so they're unlikely to want to give up the #1 pick for a guy who has already said he doesn't want to be there so would likely refuse to sign an extension and just leave. On the other hand, maybe the Browns are offering the #12 but the Skins are hoping for SF's #2 and are gonna wait and see if that happens. Might be they'll wait right up until pick #2 of the draft doesn't go to them for Cousins and then make a draft-day trade with the Browns! That'd be exciting. pubic works project posted:Yeah I really don't see a bottom-5 (Browns, 49ers, Jets) team trading for Kirk Cousins this offseason when they can just get him next offseason. Or this. The niners might be just as concerned about the one-year contract, although Cousins has said he wants go to SF so he's maybe a lot more likely to sign a long-term contract, and it'd be tremendous for SF's rebuilding prospects to have Cousins on board for a multi-year deal. Well worth the #2 and then some.
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Waiting 1 year to get Cousins on the open market is not a risk-free proposition. He could have another good year and then his market will presumably be very hot. It might be cheaper to trade for him now and then sign him to a big contract, than wait and have to sign him to an even bigger contract in the middle of a free-for-all bidding war. We have no idea which 2017 QBs are gonna bust, have career-ending injuries, etc. so we don't know who all the players will be next year or how much they'll be willing to spend. I think Cousins being traded to the Niners is the more likely scenario, but I think it's still possible the Browns go for it, even with the uncertainties we see. e. The most amazing option would be the Browns trading Osweiler to the Skins along with the #12 and an agreement to pay part or all of Osweiler's salary for Cousins, giving the Skins the quarterback their front office truly deserves to have.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Again, that is banking on the idea that the Browns FO stays intact. Because everything they've done over the last two years has shown that they know and are working on a long rebuild and that constant turnover has been putrid for them. Why would a front office amass a dozen picks for 2018 if they thought they'd be fired before then?
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Leperflesh posted:OK so http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2697999-kirk-cousins-trade-rumors-browns-reportedly-will-try-to-deal-for-redskins-qb Yeah if he is hellbent on going to SF, I still wouldn't give up the #2 for him. Just wait out the year, tank and get another high draft pick to help rebuild. Then sign him to the long-term deal. Leperflesh posted:Waiting 1 year to get Cousins on the open market is not a risk-free proposition. He could have another good year and then his market will presumably be very hot. It might be cheaper to trade for him now and then sign him to a big contract, than wait and have to sign him to an even bigger contract in the middle of a free-for-all bidding war. We have no idea which 2017 QBs are gonna bust, have career-ending injuries, etc. so we don't know who all the players will be next year or how much they'll be willing to spend. That is a good point though. pubic works project fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Kalli posted:Because everything they've done over the last two years has shown that they know and are working on a long rebuild and that constant turnover has been putrid for them. Yeah it's not unreasonable Hasalam gets into the sauce again and fires them all, but they're clearly not planning around a fear that's what he'll do if they don't deliver wins now. Leperflesh posted:Waiting 1 year to get Cousins on the open market is not a risk-free proposition. He could have another good year and then his market will presumably be very hot. It might be cheaper to trade for him now and then sign him to a big contract, than wait and have to sign him to an even bigger contract in the middle of a free-for-all bidding war. We have no idea which 2017 QBs are gonna bust, have career-ending injuries, etc. so we don't know who all the players will be next year or how much they'll be willing to spend. Its not risk-free but it's considerably less risky than the likely-firing offense of trading a high draft pick for him and losing him the next year because he wouldn't sign a long-term deal.
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Kalli posted:Because everything they've done over the last two years has shown that they know and are working on a long rebuild and that constant turnover has been putrid for them. I think you're assigning too much rationality to that owner.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I think you're assigning too much rationality to that owner. He's not. He's saying the Browns FO is, because if they believed they were on the chopping block they'd act differently. You're assuming they believe they're on the chopping block. If they actually are on the chopping block but don't know it, it's actually irrelevant to this discussion.
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If I am, then the Browns are hosed no matter what they do and they definitely shouldn't ruin Jimmy G's career over it.  But really, I think the prior 5 years of just loving embarrassment after embarrassment leading up to the Manziel saga has the owner just wanting the team to not be a laughingstock, and giving this current crew 4 years to turn poo poo around is the way to do it. Or end up as the Jaguars and starting over regardless. 
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I hope the Browns trade for Cousins and then tag him for a third year when Cousins won't re-sign
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That's a lot of Chopping block. Also again I think this is all smoke and mirrors bullshit and the Skins sign Cousins long term down the road. But, if he wants out then gently caress.
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pubic works project posted:Yeah if he is hellbent on going to SF, I still wouldn't give up the #2 for him. Just wait out the year, tank and get another high draft pick to help rebuild. Then sign him to the long-term deal. That's the thing, though. He's hellbent on SF this year, because he wants out of Washington pronto, knows Shanahan, and knows the Niners are already one of the most likely teams to want him. Next year, with his contract done, SF can't assume he'll still be hell-bent on the team. His options open up wide to anyone willing to pay him across possibly a dozen or more QB-desperate teams and SF can't assume their bid will be the highest. evilweasel posted:Its not risk-free but it's considerably less risky than the likely-firing offense of trading a high draft pick for him and losing him the next year because he wouldn't sign a long-term deal. So get the Skins on the horn, hash out a deal, then call up Cousins and get him to agree to sign a 4-year contract if you make the trade. He says yes, you make the trade, he signs, and you're set.
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Mmm love a good 3 page circle jerk of Pats posters stroking it to Jimmy G, who has done nothing in the NFL. The rest of the league would be lucky to get him for 2 1st and 2 2nd rounders
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I hope the Browns trade for Cousins and then tag him for a third year when Cousins won't re-sign Can they do that though? I know the Skins can't tag him again, but I didn't know if the team that traded for him under his current franchise tender could tag him . In other news: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/842102256447176706 https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/842104974905618432 And Rotoworld says that the Bills have signed WR Andre Holmes to a 3 year, $4.5 million contract. pubic works project fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Mmm love a good 3 page circle jerk of Pats posters stroking it to Jimmy G, who has done nothing in the NFL. The rest of the league would be lucky to get him for 2 1st and 2 2nd rounders I agree w/ you that jimmy g is a system qb
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The Jets can't even get 3rd string RB's they don't need to sign lol.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I will say this, I think the regime in Cleveland knows they need to show some progress, they can't have another 1 or 2 win season or they'll all be fired. I doubt they'll want to rely on Cody Kessler or Brock Osweiler to get them to the 4-5 win promised land. And none of the quarterback prospects look particularly promising, certainly not as guys who you can plug in right away. I think this really leaves the Browns in a tough position with an uninspiring list of free agent QB's or taking a gamble on a somewhat unknown commodity like Jimmy G. The flaw in your argument is that you are acting as if only Garrapolo can secure wins on that roster. Or more specifically, that only a change at quarterback is capable of improving their record. They took a garbage offensive line and beefed it the gently caress up with Zeigler, Teeter and Bitonio, making significant improvement to arguably their weakest unit. (Outside quarterback) They still have a bunch of young receivers in the pipeline that will have their first full NFL offseason program. I guess what I'm struggling with is why would an analytics based front office feel compelled to give up an asset that we know they regard highly AND pay roughly $15 plus million a year and commit themselves long term to a player who has started in only two NFL games, when we know there are multiple quarterbacks on the market who are cheaper and have repeatedly won multiple games in a season? You are assuming that the Cleveland front office is in a panic, when their owner admitted his constant shuffling of front offices is what brought them to that point. And Hue Jackson was supposedly very high on Kaepernick coming out of college. EDIT: Long effort post beaten by many other good posts.
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pubic works project posted:And Rotoworld says that the Bills have signed WR Andre Holmes to a 3 year, $4.5 million contract. And Andre Holmes says... https://twitter.com/dreholmes18/status/842110991236247552
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QB speculators, don't forget that Daniels from the Eagles is on the block. He's probably as good as Jimmy/Cutler and would be cheap since we want the cap space. Also, grats Vikings. Thielen is pretty good imo.
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And the more Chase gets paid by another team, the more the Eagles save against the cap  #offsetlanguage
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I mean for all the printing of the shirts for the Pats, they are still a Brady injury away from having a rough time. We keep saying things like that but no matter how many kids you sacrifice to the devil, eventually your body wears out and
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Every time I see a mess of unread posts I think maybe this is the time Romo got released 
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I'd take Jimmy G over any of this year's draft QBs, which granted is not saying much
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