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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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dispatch_async posted:Oh man have I got some bad news for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Labour holy poo poo this whole time I thought it was a UKMT insult for right wing people in the labour party. loving hell. blue labour. you have got to be making GBS threads me that's ridiculous.
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I mean, it is, but apparently "red tories" was too obvious so they went with the inverse for the official name.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:32
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Paxman posted:Why don't you tell us who you think would be better than Cooper, if she's bad? Corbyn. I mean they were both in a leadership election, that should have really answered your question.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:37
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Praseodymi posted:Lib dem broadcast on atm. Well that's always the risk with atm JFairfax posted:holy poo poo this whole time I thought it was a UKMT insult for right wing people in the labour party. Funnily, one of our resident Blairites, ronya, is probably the most vocally anti-Blue Labour in the thread. So it's definitely not just as simple as right wing Labour. It's an insular kind of right wing Labour as opposed to the globalism of the other right wing Labour group.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:42
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jabby posted:Corbyn.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:42
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This is how Jon McDonnell opened his response to Phillip Hammond:Jon McDonnell posted:If the chancellor had spent less time writing stale jokes for his speech and the prime minister less time guffawing like a feeding seal on those benches, we would not have been landed with this mess. 
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Mar 15, 2017 19:45
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Blue Labour are basically strasserites AFAICT.
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Mar 15, 2017 20:14
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In a sign of the broad relevance and appeal of centre-left politics, exit polls are saying the Dutch Labour party vote has collapsed to an absolute record low, down 29 points since the 2012 election. https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/842105676457508865 This is probably all Corbyn's fault somehow.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:22
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You say this is a collapse of the centre left. I say humanity is just entering a new era of being really terrible to each other. Buckle up.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:27
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Regarde Aduck posted:You say this is a collapse of the centre left. I say humanity is just entering a new era of being really terrible to each other. Buckle up. To be fair we never stopped, this just means we're close to breaking out the snazzy uniforms again.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:29
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2rd, 3th or 4th? Is that a European numbering scheme or are you supposed to say it "Secord, Thirth or Fourth?" Firth of Forth? Regarde Aduck posted:You say this is a collapse of the centre left. I say humanity is just entering a new era of being really terrible to each other. Buckle up. Mass communications would lead to the demise of the old Piscean religions and open up an era of harmony and understanding, sympathy and trust abounding. No more falsehoods or derisions. Golden living dreams of visions. loving lol.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:31
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forkboy84 posted:Well that's always the risk with atm You have to remember that proper Blairites are mostly devoid of ideology so they no more like true believers on the right than they do on the left.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:36
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Guavanaut posted:Remember when people thought that the new millennium would be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius? The world is run like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyirktQHw28 However if you were literally there it'd be more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi7JRJrod4
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Mar 15, 2017 21:40
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Old men, running the world. A new age!
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Mar 15, 2017 22:10
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Why not just 'alt labour'
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Mar 15, 2017 22:16
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cosmically_cosmic posted:Why not just 'alt labour'  (You can tell by the fresh memes and disappointment)
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Mar 15, 2017 22:18
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So the Dutch Labour party are going to lose like 75% of their seats. Probably because they were too left wing. Nothing to do with them having been in coalition with the Dutch Conservatives.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:20
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Lord of the Llamas posted:So the Dutch Labour party are going to lose like 75% of their seats. Probably because they were too left wing. Nothing to do with them having been in coalition with the Dutch Conservatives.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:26
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Hate to break it to you Labour folks but there is noone in your party better than Corbyn or would be more effective than Corbyn in a GE. Nobody, the party is chock full of crazy and erring on unprofessional (to people) - corbyns just been doing it longest. Except maybe that one guy who was bigged up before Corbyn got involved but hosed off quick sharp as soon as the heavy media scrutiny started. Sorry.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:26
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LemonDrizzle posted:And the clear demand for further left politics is demonstrated by the fact that of the 29 seats lost by PvdA, GL picked up 12 and SP picked up... -1. quote:GroenLinks was formed on 1 March 1989 as a merger of four left-wing political parties: the Communist Party of the Netherlands, Pacifist Socialist Party, the Political Party of Radicals and the Evangelical People's Party. Sounds relatively positive for the left for me?
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Mar 15, 2017 22:30
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spectralent posted:Sounds relatively positive for the left for me? How?
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Mar 15, 2017 22:31
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LemonDrizzle posted:And the clear demand for further left politics is demonstrated by the fact that of the 29 seats lost by PvdA, GL picked up 12 and SP picked up... -1. And -10 were picked up by the Conservative VDD  How did you miss out the gains by the "Party for the Animals" party 
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Mar 15, 2017 22:35
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CareyB posted:Hate to break it to you Labour folks but there is noone in your party better than Corbyn or would be more effective than Corbyn in a GE. Nobody, the party is chock full of crazy and erring on unprofessional (to people) - corbyns just been doing it longest. I think you are referring to Chuka "The British Barack Obama*" Umunna, whose talents so far have amounted to being a complete charisma vacuum, chucking his lot in with right wing populist ideas at every chance and making a total hash of every media opportunity he's given. Sounds like a real winner to me. *(because he edited his own Wikipedia page to say so)
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Mar 15, 2017 22:36
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MikeCrotch posted:The British Barack Obama We already had him; his name was Tony Blair.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:37
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MikeCrotch posted:I think you are referring to Chuka "The British Barack Obama*" Umunna, whose talents so far have amounted to being a complete charisma vacuum, chucking his lot in with right wing populist ideas at every chance and making a total hash of every media opportunity he's given. Didn't Chuka get caught, pants down, with a dude?
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Mar 15, 2017 22:39
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LemonDrizzle posted:And the clear demand for further left politics is demonstrated by the fact that of the 29 seats lost by PvdA, GL picked up 12 and SP picked up... -1. At least they picked up seats. The centre-left got loving crushed, or will if the poll is accurate, and it's just another data point suggesting that milquetoast slightly-to-the-left-but-not-really centrism has become deeply unpopular. Especially when they coalition with the centre-right and remove all pretence.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:39
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What we would do for an 88% turnout at a GE.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:40
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Plucky Brit posted:We already had him; his name was Tony Blair. I don't think Obama looks quite ghoulish enough for that.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:40
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Plucky Brit posted:We already had him; his name was Tony Blair. Obama may have drone-striked a bunch of innocent foreign people, but no way does he come close to Tony Blair's record.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:41
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Pissflaps posted:How? Empty suit centrists lost 29 seats and an actually left party gained 12?
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Mar 15, 2017 22:41
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Empty suit centrists lost 29 seats and a Socialist Party gained 12? What happened to the other 17?
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Mar 15, 2017 22:42
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MikeCrotch posted:I think you are referring to Chuka "The British Barack Obama*" Umunna, whose talents so far have amounted to being a complete charisma vacuum, chucking his lot in with right wing populist ideas at every chance and making a total hash of every media opportunity he's given. Don't forget owning his own cognac locker in a millionaire's club.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:43
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OwlFancier posted:Don't forget owning his own cognac locker in a millionaire's club. An eelskin-lined millionaire's club.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:45
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Pissflaps posted:What happened to the other 17? Well they certainly didn't go to the ruling Conservative party that lost 10 seats. I'll leave it for you to read through the wikipedia summaries of the numerous small parties to gain seats. But as far as I can tell none of the left wing parties actually lost seats. So yes, it looks like bland pragmatic centrism was the loser of the night.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:47
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Pissflaps posted:What happened to the other 17? Why ask basic questions like this when the post with all the information is just up the screen?
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Mar 15, 2017 22:48
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Lord of the Llamas posted:But as far as I can tell none of the left wing parties actually lost seats.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:50
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Based on those defensive reactions I don't think I need to look up what all those initials stand for to work out the majority of those centre left seats didn't go to the far left.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:51
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Pissflaps posted:Based on those defensive reactions I don't think I need to look up what all those initials stand for to work out the majority of those centre left seats didn't go to the far left. they all went to the party for the animals, the new superpower in dutch politics Cats and dogs have been given the right to vote
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Mar 15, 2017 22:55
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Lord of the Llamas posted:But as far as I can tell none of the left wing parties actually lost seats. So yes, it looks like bland pragmatic centrism was the loser of the night. I mean, you're saying that the centre-left collapsed but it's cool because one fragmentary left party went from around 3% to around 11%. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Collateral posted:Didn't Chuka get caught, pants down, with a dude? Nope. He decided not to stand for vague personal reasons which were never quite explained (something to do with the media harassing his gran as I recall) so people just let their imaginations run wild. I think a lot of straight men just like to tell themselves that anyone as handsome as that must be gay.
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