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jarofpiss posted:all i mean is i didn't join a socialist org to hang out with centrist dem nerds. i agree with your big post completely and i don't think anyone is openly advocating for more centrist boomers. at the same time, fiery rhetoric about the destruction of capital and calling people comrade is definitely going to spook some people out. considering it's just becoming A Big Thing, just sticking to bernie's platform of "you should actually have rights, racism is bad, and billionaires need to pay actual taxes" is a good way to get asses in seats like it or not, but you're absolutely going to have to phrase things using "their terms" to get any real foothold because we're starting from square one edit: its almost like we're dealing with a 60-year long campaign of dinsinformation and fear-mongering that's only now showing cracks
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Mar 15, 2017 21:47
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Jack Gladney posted:The most recent DSA Facebook post is getting some lovely comments from men who don't want to read about feminism. I don't know that I have the rhetorical skills to right that ship, but it seems like a much worse problem than fighting over memes. facebook comments are always bad because facebook is a terrible website. I'm under the impression that anyone who said that at a DSA meeting would be asked to leave.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:47
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like all you have to do is channel the massive amount of "gently caress YOU" in the national discourse right now to the rich and actually show up to fight for people and you'd sweep elections all over the place
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Mar 15, 2017 21:50
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Phi230 posted:if we dilute our beliefs and ideas to cater to people who can just as easily be converted to believe in the holy doctrine of Marx then why dilute it in the first place. Here's your quick reminder that we cannot convert liberals or centrists without them already being disillusioned with liberalism or centrism in the first place. We are never gonna convert Sally Albright or whoever the gently caress Are you off your meds or something?
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Mar 15, 2017 21:53
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Internet Explorer posted:Are you off your meds or something? lol no just dont wanna see the DSA collapse because of bad things I mean I already see in the DSA some bad things, like not really doing anything besides meeting every once in a while, like my chapter.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:55
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Phi230 posted:lol no just dont wanna see the DSA collapse because of bad things i mean you're obviously passionate about it, why not channel that anger about the right things not being done and take it upon yourself to start a marxist reading group?
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Mar 15, 2017 21:57
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Business Gorillas posted:i mean you're obviously passionate about it, why not channel that anger about the right things not being done and take it upon yourself to start a marxist reading group? Because there already exists one, and its of an ok size relative to the chapter. And I tried proposing an idea to form an elections workgroup to figure out who to primary and where, maybe even have some of us run in local elections but was shouted down under the "we are not a party" mantra. I've tried reaching out on FB about attending protests but only a few people ever show up so I think actually organizing anything outside of meetings is a no-go. My DSA chapter seems to be a nexus of people who already are apart of other groups who simply do things that those other groups do rather than organizing anything with DSA affiliation.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:00
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Phi230 posted:lol no just dont wanna see the DSA collapse because of bad things Okay. In that case please reread the previous posts on the topic and then read your post.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:01
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Internet Explorer posted:Okay. In that case please reread the previous posts on the topic and then read your post. My DSA made a pretty admirable effort to recruit disillusioned dems, pretty great turnout. But guess what, after several months of not doing anything people lost interest. Not even social events. So this is what I mean, being careful and on eggshells just makes people bored. Not the ideology. In the end a DSA chapter is just a social group. Gotta do poo poo together to stay together.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:03
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And how does this tie into toning down the "comrade" and dank memes for public facing things like your DSA Twitter account / Facebook / website? Let alone your comment of "like you are assuming people are stupid."
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Mar 15, 2017 22:05
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Can you be an rear end in a top hat and plan things anyway? I don't know how your group is.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:06
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Internet Explorer posted:And how does this tie into toning down the "comrade" and dank memes for public facing things like your DSA Twitter account / Facebook / website? Because nobody really is dumb enough to be turned off by joking use of comrade. Or socialist memes. They're jokes, people get it. You know maybe some people take it too far but it seems like complete nonsense to walk on eggshells for no reason. People are easily receptive to anti-capitalism if they're not sociopaths, you don't need to dance around it. I mean all it took was a 5 minute explanation of wage slavery w/ historical context and several people I know were then on board with the DSA during that meeting.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:08
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Phi230 posted:Because nobody really is dumb enough to be turned off by joking use of comrade. Or socialist memes. They're jokes, people get it. Oh cool, so my anecdotal evidence is just made up then. Thanks for clarifying. And I'm glad you've figured out the one secret to make people "easily receptive to anti-capitalism" in the Western world. You should probably write a book or something.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:31
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Internet Explorer posted:Oh cool, so my anecdotal evidence is just made up then. Thanks for clarifying. dude whats your problem talk to me
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Mar 15, 2017 22:34
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/842080673066299393 Rage for the machine Also who the hell is this
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Mar 15, 2017 22:36
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Phi230 posted:dude whats your problem talk to me My problem is that myself, and a few others, made a comment about "comrade" or dank memes scaring off people who may otherwise be receptive to a change towards socialism. Socialism is already a scary word for the vast majority of the US population, easing that transition into the ideas behind it before scaring them off is important. You then came in and said that we were assuming people were stupid and that we were going to implode the DSA or some other sort of craziness, thus the off meds comment. My point of view is this: Keep the "comrade" and "full gay communism now" stuff to a limit when using official chapter communication channels. The person running the meeting should not be throwing out "comrade" to a room full of potential new members. The person running Twitter / Facebook should show some restraint as well. That doesn't mean that individual members can't post crazy meme tweets or joke about overthrowing capitalism or whatever. I'm just saying the official channels should look at least somewhat professional, otherwise you are going to scare off people who might otherwise be receptive to your ideas. Obviously there's some disagreement on this, but I don't think it's a radical position to take. Internet Explorer has issued a correction as of 22:44 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 22:40
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It's ok to disagree with your fellow comrade but please keep it civil or face the gulag.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:59
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Wait a sec... This thread isn't gold???
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Mar 15, 2017 23:22
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well if internet explorer's wife doesn't want to be my comrade i won't make her but that doesn't mean im gonna stop destroying capitalism with my other (better, cooler) comrades
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Mar 16, 2017 02:24
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:on the other hand, we could radicalize them. hm maybe you can use the french spelling "camarade" (pronounced, roughly: "comrade")
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Mar 16, 2017 02:30
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Clearly we should be using citizen. ... Uh, pretend there's a crying Bookchin flag smilie.
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Mar 16, 2017 02:32
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I feel like shying away from comrade would just play into the "socialism is a bad" idea. Plus, anyone who's so put off by the word they won't join an organization who uses it probably doesn't support socialism.
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Mar 16, 2017 02:34
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Is "comrade" a scarier word than "socialist" (which is probably current because "communist" is way too scary)?
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Mar 16, 2017 02:57
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I personally just call everyone brosef.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:05
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Nitrousoxide posted:I personally just call everyone brosef. I actually find the word "bro" incredibly off putting. Seriously, I get pretty self-conscious whenever someone calls me bro, even when they meant it positively. I'm still trying to figure out what's wrong with me.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:09
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Some of the older types in a union I used to belong to were big into the brother/sister thing at union functions.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:15
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Jack Gladney posted:Some of the older types in a union I used to belong to were big into the brother/sister thing at union functions. This, but also because we'll sound like the Hulkster.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:21
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MizPiz posted:I actually find the word "bro" incredibly off putting. sup bro also just co-opt the word paisan. It comes from the root word peasant, means "countrymen/friend" and people just think you are maybe Italian mobsters or something.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:22
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Ottermotive Insanity posted:This, but also because we'll sound like the Hulkster. Serious post: compatriot formally and friend informally would be the best options imo. Bro, dude, brother/sister, whatever is gendered and, from the most recent discussion at my local committee, disenfranchises the non-binary in our ranks, and sometimes reinforces patriarchy on a group fighting against it.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:35
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"motherfucker" is the ultimate pronoun, TIA
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Mar 16, 2017 03:39
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HiHo ChiRho posted:sup bro OH GOD
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Mar 16, 2017 03:42
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Rhetoric should be adopted to your target audience, and normies are the bread and butter of any mass political movement Comrade -> Friend, Brother, Brosef Bourgeoisie -> Owner class etc.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:53
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Honestly, if you can't explain yourself clearly and persuasively enough for a 12 year old to follow you, you don't really understand what you're talking about, and that goes for about any subject (quantum physics, the history of the spring and autumn period of chinese history, socialism, etc)
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Mar 16, 2017 03:55
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the bourgeoisie = THOSE FUCKERS the means of production = OUR poo poo
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Mar 16, 2017 03:56
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My pronouns are comrade/comrade/comrade's
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Mar 16, 2017 03:56
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Ottermotive Insanity posted:This, but also because we'll sound like the Hulkster. WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE RICH, MEAN GENE, YOU SEE THEY COMPLETELY DOMINATE THE DISCOURSE, MAN, NOT UNLIKE HOW I DOMINATED THE RING AT WRESTLEMANIA 3 IN FRONT OF A MILLION SCREAMING SOCIAMANIACS BROTHER! AND WHAT YOU GOTTA DO TO THE RICH IS YOU GOTTA WRAP 'EM UP WITH THE 22 INCH PYTHONS AND SEND 'EM PACKING! SO WHAT YOU GONNA DO, BOURGIES, WHEN REDISTRIBUTION OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION RUNS WILD ON YOU?!
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I like comrade and brother/sister for people already waist deep in socialism, and worker and good person/people for on the fence/libs.
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