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vermin posted:How typical is the daily routine of the enterprise in any given show? Is the enterprise always that one ship that discovers Apollo and travels to the evil universe or is that happening on every ship all the time? Yea, Unless you're near a main character you'll probably be okay. "Oh poo poo its Riker, everyone hide!"
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I imagine poo poo like this is happening all the time. We just don't see the time the commander in charge of the night shift was possessed by a time traveling energy ghost and sent the ship back in time to help fight in a war only to learn a valuable lesson about gender equality and sent everyone back. It was a minor note in the log. That asteroid survey ship? Yeah it found the remnants of a robotic species inside the field because the asteroids are actually eggs and they've been hibernating for millions of years. After a series of escalating misunderstandings the humanoid and robotic lifeforms came to understand each other and went their separate ways. Every week on every ship it's some time travel bullshit or existential threats to the federation or shocking relevations about the universe that are never brought up again.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:55
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Baronjutter posted:Star Trek is a terrifying world to live in. Every day there's some new threat that involves destroying your home world except some plucky heroes barely stop it, or don't and have to time travel. Being a human on earth during some decades the shows don't cover you can maybe imagine life is fairly uneventful. But otherwise it's "Hey remember that borg invasion? That was almost as bad as when we were freaking out about changelings taking over our government during a genocidal existential war that killed billions and we barely avoided a military coup. Which kinda reminded me of maybe a decade before how our government was almost taken over by horrible parasites that wanted to infest us all. Grandpa told me about this time the planet was almost destroyed by loving whale noises and some criminals had to time travel in a stolen ship to solve that one. PS I have no idea if any of my memories are real or if the timeline is constantly changing because time travel and alternate realities are all real. Better get back to shucking these oysters" Yea but on the other hand, free replicators, holodecks, and transporters. I'd take that trade.
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Yeah Gene was losing it by TNG. I remember in 50 year mission how someone said he was saying racist poo poo openly in a staff meeting, but this is the same guy in the 60s who cast Nichelle Nichols and literally told a station in the south to gently caress off (his very words) when they whined about Uhura. Very confusing. That complete change of personality from disease would make a good episode in itself.Lincoln posted:
Ive been giving Voyager another chance after having DS9 withdrawals and it's very watchable for me now, even though I gave up on it after yet another holodeck fiasco episode. Just hit Season 6
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Mar 15, 2017 22:52
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Unrelated but does that political ouroboros of a sub forum hand out that av and red-titles to like half the people who ever bother posting there and aren't one of the half dozen 100% correct posters?
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Baronjutter posted:Unrelated but does that political ouroboros of a sub forum hand out that av and red-titles to like half the people who ever bother posting there and aren't one of the half dozen 100% correct posters? Yes, I seem to be a magnet for red titles and I'm jobless at the moment so it's not worth spending $5 to fix.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:57
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Shran is the best part of ENT.
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vermin posted:How typical is the daily routine of the enterprise in any given show? Is the enterprise always that one ship that discovers Apollo and travels to the evil universe or is that happening on every ship all the time? Technically this is explained in one of two ways: 1) The Enterprises tend to all be on five-year exploratory missions, so yeah, they see weird poo poo all the time. 2) Kirk, Spock, and McCoy are just that damned good (the manly Kirk in particular!) and they have wondrous parables-as-adventures every other day.
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skooma512 posted:That complete change of personality from disease would make a good episode in itself. A great deal of the episode Sarek was inspired by Gene's instability. Marc Cushman, the douchebag who wrote the unbelievably full-of-poo poo "These Are the Voyages..." books and pitched the initial story for the episode (which was originally about a completely random character), claims in The Fifty Year Mission that he basically came up with the entire script, personally convinced Roddenberry and Berman to go along with it, and then Peter Beagle just touched up the dialogue a bit. In reality, Piller took the initial rough idea and, having had a rough time of dealing with Roddenberry throughout his first season on TNG (the third), to the point that he was already considering quitting, decided to have Beagle write the script and base a ton of it upon the way Gene had been acting throughout the year -- erratic, irrational, mercurial, yet deeply caring at points. Picard's recovery from the mind meld, in particular, was Piller's way of saying, "We know you care about the show and we know you're still doing your best." Timby fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Baronjutter posted:Star Trek is a terrifying world to live in. Every day there's some new threat that involves destroying your home world except some plucky heroes barely stop it, or don't and have to time travel. Being a human on earth during some decades the shows don't cover you can maybe imagine life is fairly uneventful. But otherwise it's "Hey remember that borg invasion? That was almost as bad as when we were freaking out about changelings taking over our government during a genocidal existential war that killed billions and we barely avoided a military coup. Which kinda reminded me of maybe a decade before how our government was almost taken over by horrible parasites that wanted to infest us all. Grandpa told me about this time the planet was almost destroyed by loving whale noises and some criminals had to time travel in a stolen ship to solve that one. PS I have no idea if any of my memories are real or if the timeline is constantly changing because time travel and alternate realities are all real. Better get back to shucking these oysters" As a 21st century working class cripple I would happily trade my life now for all of that in a second without hesitation Can't even get a drat job shucking oysters
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Timby posted:Most of the time, he didn't remember things he had said five minutes earlier. He was still coherent enough to do things like approve casting decisions in the early goings of TNG, but by the second season his brain was essentially gone -- four decades of heavy alcohol abuse and three decades of cocaine and LSD will do that to you. Nick Meyer is on the record as feeling bad for how harshly he treated Gene during the pre-production Grand Nagus Zek was Gene's self insert?
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Railing Kill posted:I'm in the same boat. I finished VOY last year and I hated it. The Doctor's bottle episodes are about half of the watchable episodes for me. ENT, on the other hand, seems to have turned a corner. I'm in the middle/end of season two, and it's getting alright/good on a consistent basis. It's not great, but it's better than VOY. Shran is the best part of ENT, no dissent will be tolerated on this point. It's also extra funny because in my trip through TNG to do that stats thing, I occasionally take breaks, and for a while there my breaks were bad USA show Covert Affairs, where an occasional guest character is just Shran, but instead he works for Mossad. Sadly not played by Combs though. Orv fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Mike the TV posted:Rewatching DS9, if you take the Trill as a trans gender parallel, it's actually pretty progressive. I'm sure it's not really what the writers intended, but everyone being okay with Dax having previously been a man is refreshing. There isn't a single character upset about it being icky. The real wonderful reason to live in the Trek future is the incredible power of medical science. Just keep away from Bashir, that dude's a loving nut.
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Everyone doing what they could to ignore Gene's rambling script notations or disgusting behavior at meetings was the story of early TNG writing. Either that or they would be going to war with his Satanic lawyer Leonard Maizlish, that Gene relied on more and more for writing as he went senile, even though the wasn't in the Writer's Guild and was not legally able to do a lot of the stuff he was doing. Most writers failed and quit/were fired in a matter of weeks. We're talking dozens of people. Before long the show was relying really heavily on spec scripts, with writing staff spending countless hours taking bad script pitches from nobodies, because everyone in the business knew the TNG lot was the worst writing gig in town.
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Orv posted:Shran is the best part of ENT, no dissent will be tolerated on this point. You'll get no argument from me, pink-skin comrade. 
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socialsecurity posted:And only during the "day" shift when all the important people are working. The night-shift get the nightmare and spooky-themed things because the day-shift is sleeping. It's super not fair, but them's the breaks.
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socialsecurity posted:And only during the "day" shift when all the important people are working. Isn't there an episode where Troi or Chruser doing the night shift to get command hours in? I just always assume the wake up someone important if poo poo goes down.
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Nofeed posted:Grand Nagus Zek was Gene's self insert? Ferengi as envisioned by Gene had huge dicks and were renowned as the galaxy's greatest lovers. You might be on to something here.
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Pakled posted:Ferengi as envisioned by Gene had huge dicks and were renowned as the galaxy's greatest lovers. You might be on to something here. That's just Ferengi marketing at work. In reality, the greatest lovers in all the galaxy are easily--as you are clearly already aware--the Pakled.
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sbaldrick posted:Isn't there an episode where Troi or Chruser doing the night shift to get command hours in? There was 'Data's Day' where we saw Data taking the nightwatch at the end of the episode (I forgot if it begins with him being relieved by the dayshift) because he obviously doesn't need sleep and can run the ship while all the other important characters sleep AND be a supporting member of the staff all day. I wonder if it started to screw with things when he started using his dream program later on, or if he only 'slept' for like a microseond every time. The "Data dream" epesode is possibly my favorite season 7 episode (All Good Things not withstanding because it's on a different level) and I find it awesome that it was directed by Patrick Stewart, for some reason. I think he did a freaking great job directing it, I mean, it's responsible for such amazing things as "cellular peptide cake (with mint frosting)", psycho-Data brutally stabbing Troi in the breast while looking on dead-faced, Beverley Crusher drinking brain slurry out of Riker's head with a straw... So much greatness, and that's just scratching the surface. My favorite touch where you can really tell it was directed by a stage actor just fooling around and having fun is the practical special effects (which are surprisingly, well, effective!) Like when Data is receiving a phone call from inside his stomach, you can tell that he's just like standing in front of replica of his chest with a door and a phone inside it, but it also doesn't really detract from anything. I just can't help but notice it every time. The best season 7 episodes are the ones that don't take themselves too seriously, where it honestly seems like the actors are just having fun with campy nonsense. What was it exactly that changed in season 7 that made it so much campier and weirder/worse at times? Even Ronald D. Moore was writing awful dreck like Descent part 1 and Gambit part 2 and Journey's End, though of course he did also write All Good Things with Braga.
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Yea, that dream is like something out of Lynch, or Jodowoski (with less poo). The episode with Vertigon City feels like it was trying to capture that surreal weirdness of the earlier one.
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sbaldrick posted:Isn't there an episode where Troi or Chruser doing the night shift to get command hours in? I sometimes wonder when Crusher sleeps. She's head doctor, she goes on away missions, she commands the bridge, she's running a drat theater company in her off-time... Like, Data comes across as a total slacker in comparison.
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Angry Salami posted:I sometimes wonder when Crusher sleeps. She's head doctor, she goes on away missions, she commands the bridge, she's running a drat theater company in her off-time... Like, Data comes across as a total slacker in comparison. Shoulda had a special episode about her stimulant addiction. A scene in a dimly-lit medlab injecting a hypospray of Orion xenoamphetamines... she shakes her head, it isn't enough to shake off the fatigue. Better load another ampule...
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Does the Beverly Crusher walkabout subplot also end with a stabbing?
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kaworu posted:The "Data dream" epesode is possibly my favorite season 7 episode (All Good Things not withstanding because it's on a different level) Solid choice, but I'll still rank Parallels above it any day.
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Brawnfire posted:The night-shift get the nightmare and spooky-themed things because the day-shift is sleeping. It's super not fair, but them's the breaks. That ain't what I heard about night-shift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ApQrbhQp8
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Phantasms is great because a real human woman shows interest in Geordi and he's like "ugh, can't see you I'm raping a holographic version of the woman who designed our warp core?"
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kaworu posted:I find it awesome that it was directed by Patrick Stewart, for some reason. All actors want to direct. I think it may save the production money as well? I would assume so anyway. Jonathan Frakes directed several episodes and a couple of the movies, and he was really good at it too.
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PostNouveau posted:Jonathan Frakes directed several episodes and a couple of the movies, and he was really good at it too. He did it efficiently and competently, but very good may be a bit too complimentary. It wasn't bad directing by any stretch, but also nothing especially impressive, movie-wise at least.
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Railing Kill posted:This didn't happen because Miles O'Brien Must Suffer. Divorce would have been sweet mercy for him. I'm pretty sure losing his family would hurt worse.
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PostNouveau posted:All actors want to direct. I think it may save the production money as well? I would assume so anyway. Star Trek kinda got a tradition as a place where actors would get a chance to try directing. If you were good, you'd direct a ton and maybe even start a solid career as a c-grade director (Frakes, McNeill, Dawson, Burton...). If you weren't, you got one chance then back to acting. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Railing Kill posted:I'm in the same boat. I finished VOY last year and I hated it. The Doctor's bottle episodes are about half of the watchable episodes for me. ENT, on the other hand, seems to have turned a corner. I'm in the middle/end of season two, and it's getting alright/good on a consistent basis. It's not great, but it's better than VOY. I finally decided to force my way through Voyager a few months ago after bouncing off of it several times in the past (never getting past, like, season 2). I'm up to season 7 now and... yeah. I pretty much regret wasting my time and I'm only doing it out of some weird sense of completionism now. I don't really have a problem with Enterprise, though. I'm not in any rush to watch it again, but I didn't have to force myself through any of it and I found it mostly enjoyable. It's aggressively mediocre as a whole, but it's got a handful of good episodes and it was never offensively bad/boring for me in the way that Voyager is.
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Do you think Worf teaches those martial arts classes as part of his job, or is it during his free time? Worf: Job: fighting, hobby:fighting Riker: Job: commandering, hobby: sex, sax, fighting Picard: Job: Leader, hobby: archaeology, reading, eventually music Troi: Job: Counselor, hobby: stress eating large amounts of chocolate, exercising Beverly: Job: Doctor, hobby: theater Data: Job: everything, hobby:everything Geordi: Job: engineer, hobby: ???
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Beachcomber posted:Do you think Worf teaches those martial arts classes as part of his job, or is it during his free time? Geordi: Job: engineer, hobby: Barclay: Job: engineer, hobby: holodeck pornography Wesley: Job: death row inmate, hobby: engineering, probably holodeck pornography (I mean, no more than any other 15yo) I'm sensing a theme.
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Railing Kill posted:Humanity: Job: welfare state, hobby: holodeck pornography
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