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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Private Speech posted:Thank god for parliamentary sovereignty that we don't have to deal with such undemocratic barbarism in the UK. 1685 was when James II took power, before being replaced by BRUSSELS EUROCRAT William of Orange in the SO CALLED Glorious Revoluton
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jBrereton posted:Does the last ten years in Germany count It's pretty funny you're leaving out the actual grand coalition which preceded it. Though TBH that was probably slightly more rightwing than some of the stuff now. e: Oh wait there was a gap Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2017 00:09
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Private Speech posted:It's pretty funny you're leaving out the actual grand coalition which preceded it.
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jBrereton posted:Sorry are you saying it was bad or what here I'm not saying it's bad, I just thought the grand coalition went further back. I mean they kinda did, but there were few years of FPD/CDU coalition. e: I meant 2005, and Schröder before. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2017 00:14
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Private Speech posted:I'm not saying it's bad, I just thought the grand coalition went further back. I mean they kinda did, but there were few years of FPD/CDU coalition.
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Mar 16, 2017 00:16
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jBrereton posted:Does the last ten years in Germany count A curiosity indeed. The only reason Merkel (barely) needed the SPD in 2013 was because the FDP (aka the German Lib Dems) failed to reach the threshold and went from 93 to 0 seats (!!). So another crushing defeat for the hardcore centrists I guess.
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Mar 16, 2017 00:18
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jBrereton posted:The FDP before its utter collapse lately was the traditional coalition partner for both the CDU and SPD. I'm just saying that they were all kinda centrist. I got a bit mixed up in it.
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Mar 16, 2017 00:20
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Lord of the Llamas posted:A curiosity indeed. The only reason Merkel (barely) needed the SPD in 2013 was because the FDP (aka the German Lib Dems) failed to reach the threshold and went from 93 to 0 seats (!!). So another crushing defeat for the hardcore centrists I guess.
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I don't actually know anything about German politics. e: maybe I shouldn't say that other thing, I dunno Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2017 00:24
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jBrereton posted:Yeah SPD: Die Neue Mitte have been hardcore centrists since the 90s if you think New Labour/PdvA are centrists. I suppose it should be pointed out that "centrism" in Germany includes maintaining the 40 year old law on worker representation on boards, for example.
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Mar 16, 2017 00:24
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Maybe we should first agree on a definition for centrist on the right and on the left? Unless we'd rather a page worth of examples followed by "Actually,"...
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Mar 16, 2017 00:25
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I suppose it should be pointed out that "centrism" in Germany includes maintaining the 40 year old law on worker representation on boards, for example.
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Mar 16, 2017 00:25
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jBrereton posted:Yvette Cooper for head of the party? Yes? No? Christ no, she's awful.
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Mar 16, 2017 00:31
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jBrereton posted:Doch, but it also includes not having a minimum wage. Does it?
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Mar 16, 2017 00:32
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Does it?
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Mar 16, 2017 00:44
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Gonzo McFee posted:Christ no, she's awful. 
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Mar 16, 2017 00:46
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jBrereton posted:but is she worse than corbyn? She chewed out Sadiq Khan for being a bleeding heart commie because he wanted to reduce the prison population. She called Davey 'Passively Tolerant Society' Cameron soft on crime. Corbyn is far from ideal but at least he's not championing authoritarianism. He's abstaining on it.
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Mar 16, 2017 00:53
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Which do you think the public agrees with more?
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Mar 16, 2017 00:59
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jBrereton posted:Which do you think the public agrees with more? Apparently the public agrees with Theresa May. I don't want her as leader of the Labour Party though.
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Mar 16, 2017 01:03
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Theresa May as leader of a hot dog stand is already a stretch, TBH
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Mar 16, 2017 01:06
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jBrereton posted:Which do you think the public agrees with more? Fortunately the parties that actually have policies in line with Express op-eds usually get votes in the double figures, so maybe the public don't really agree with that. People seemed to respond positively to Cameron's hug a hoodie/husky/hazeltree stuff when he was calling Labour too tough on crime, even though it was paper thin and thrown away at the first opportunity.
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Mar 16, 2017 01:07
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Heisenberg1276 posted:Apparently the public agrees with Theresa May. I don't want her as leader of the Labour Party though.
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Mar 16, 2017 01:07
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jBrereton posted:Unfortunately labour's own voters have more faith in Tess. That's how bad this situation is.
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Mar 16, 2017 01:15
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After a two year long fight, the Scottish Government have dropped plans to give over a hundred public bodies access to the NHS Central Register, which was derided by every other party in Holyrood as making Labour's ID cards scheme look timid in comparison. So there's that. 
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Mar 16, 2017 01:23
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I don't know why I'm posting this because I'm a teensy bit drunk but I want to recommend everyone watches this youtube guy explore some abandoned mines https://youtu.be/QvXNDU6w-ME
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Mar 16, 2017 01:31
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't know why I'm posting this because I'm a teensy bit drunk but I want to recommend everyone watches this youtube guy explore some abandoned mines Hey we watch the same youtube channel. He is very calming.
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Mar 16, 2017 01:35
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jBrereton posted:Unfortunately labour's own voters have more faith in Tess. That's how bad this situation is. I am willing to lead.
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Mar 16, 2017 01:36
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OwlFancier posted:Hey we watch the same youtube channel. He is very calming. He is, which makes the creepy ones genuinely frightening.
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Mar 16, 2017 01:36
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MikeCrotch posted:I think you are referring to Chuka "The British Barack Obama*" Umunna, whose talents so far have amounted to being a complete charisma vacuum, chucking his lot in with right wing populist ideas at every chance and making a total hash of every media opportunity he's given. He could also refer to Beep-Boop Burnham, a man designed to be as inoffensive as possible. In Burnham's credit he managed to triangulate away from neoliberalism as soon as Corbyn's victory made it clear it was opposed within the party. It shows remarkable talent from a Labour politician to figure out different groups of people have different values.
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Mar 16, 2017 02:27
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jBrereton posted:Yes until literally 2 years ago there was no proper minimum wage, and like here, it was a Labour/SPD idea that was met with the usual tripe about consenting labour and so on. So by "yes" you actually mean "no". And Germany, apparently the only country where the "centre-left" hasn't been annihilated, is the one with the strongest long term culture of worker rights. Fancy that.
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Mar 16, 2017 02:38
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there's always been a tension between a minimum wage and a labour-dominated labour movement, in the straightforward sense that it extends protections without requiring any sacrifices toward labour struggle, tacitly endorses the legality of any wage above the minimum, and also provokes uncomfortable inter-industry fights over what the minimum should be this was a bigger sticking point back during the Keynesian era, when the notion of regional or industrial differing rates of inflation was a policy point. there were wages boards that meant something, once, much like Germany today. true, they didn't always set wages at the level you'd like - but neither does a minimum wage, does it? the UK has settled into a political equilibrium of London/not London in this regard but it wasn't obvious that a detente could be maintained in this way
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ronya posted:there's always been a tension between a minimum wage and a labour-dominated labour movement, in the straightforward sense that it extends protections without requiring any sacrifices toward labour struggle, tacitly endorses the legality of any wage above the minimum, and also provokes uncomfortable inter-industry fights over what the minimum should be Tie the minimum wage to purchasing power based on gdp without private involvement?
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Mar 16, 2017 03:30
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The electoral commission has fined the Tories £70k over the election expenses scandal and forwarded its findings to the Met for criminal investigation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39289195quote:The Conservative Party has been fined £70,000 by the Electoral Commission for breaking election expense rules. https://twitter.com/rowenamason/status/842289247348510720 LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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I was surprised to find out when I was in Norway last year that neither they nor any of the other Nordic countries have a national minimum wage. Neither do Switzerland or Austria. Instead they all have strong trade union movements and rely on collective bargaining to set wages across industries. I don't know enough about those countries to say whether that is a more effective approach, but certainly when I think inequality and poverty level wages I don't think of Sweden.
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Pissflaps posted:Can an expert in Dutch politics fact check this for me please I don't trust this guy.
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Mar 16, 2017 10:26
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So it turns out I booked an appointment with an Osteopath thinking that it was actually a physiotherapist. Do I cancel and book with a real physio or is it basically fine? I'm just looking for some to help me sort my extremely tight hamstrings.
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Mar 16, 2017 10:29
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Cerv posted:it's about time someone brought mccaine back  Firos posted:So it turns out I booked an appointment with an Osteopath thinking that it was actually a physiotherapist. Do I cancel and book with a real physio or is it basically fine? Cancel. Get a physio.
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big scary monsters posted:I was surprised to find out when I was in Norway last year that neither they nor any of the other Nordic countries have a national minimum wage. Neither do Switzerland or Austria. Instead they all have strong trade union movements and rely on collective bargaining to set wages across industries. I don't know enough about those countries to say whether that is a more effective approach, but certainly when I think inequality and poverty level wages I don't think of Sweden. I have a few Norwegian relatives and they live very well, although they're not in entry level jobs. My understanding is that quality of life is good across the board though.
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