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not caring here posted:I'd email the professor with what he gave you, where you found it online and throw him the gently caress under the bus. He's obviously lazy or incompetent, which is kind of okay except that he's totally will to put the dick to you in the process. This.
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Yeah gently caress that guy, he didn't just cheat, he actively tried to gently caress you over
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Mar 16, 2017 17:10
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Yeah go to art school if you insist on receiving praise for derivative and irrelevant junk reminders that life is meaningless
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Mar 16, 2017 17:12
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Zeris posted:Yeah go to art school if you insist on receiving praise for derivative and irrelevant junk reminders that life is meaningless Law school seems to be the same way from what I've seen
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Mar 16, 2017 17:13
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Booblord Zagats posted:Law school seems to be the same way from what I've seen I'm looking forward to having lengthy conversations with Federalist Society wannabes about the merits of recent American history because getting people blustery makes my dick hard. Hope I don't get owned too often
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Kawasaki Nun posted:I'm looking forward to having lengthy conversations with Federalist Society wannabes about the merits of recent American history because getting people blustery makes my dick hard. "Yeah well that's just like, your opinion, man."
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not caring here posted:I'd email the professor with what he gave you, where you found it online and throw him the gently caress under the bus. He's obviously lazy or incompetent, which is kind of okay except that he's totally will to put the dick to you in the process. If you had asked me right at the start of the semester if I thought this guy was a lazy gently caress, I'd have taken one look at him and said, "yep, no doubt." The bizarre thing, though, is that he really pulls his weight in actually executing the labs and has caught my mistakes on several occasions. Weird. I'm not worried about being accused, myself, because I can just point to the email chain where he's attached that garbage and say, "look at how this is written, then compare it to anything else that I've submitted." Naked Bear fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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I would probably just make him redo it and if he can't get it done properly and in time, then I would tell the professor. There's no benefit to ruining his academic life at this point other than vindictiveness.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:00
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not caring here posted:I'd email the professor with what he gave you, where you found it online and throw him the gently caress under the bus. He's obviously lazy or incompetent, which is kind of okay except that he's totally will to put the dick to you in the process. This. Don't even think about him, because it's absolutely against your schools policy and you are endangering yourself by hiding it for him.
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Zeris posted:Yeah go to art school if you insist on receiving praise for derivative and irrelevant junk reminders that life is meaningless I will end you
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TBeats posted:There's no benefit to ruining his academic life at this point other than vindictiveness. yeah what's your point? Unrelated point: Getting voc rehab for my master's and the subsequent retroactive reimbursement for my undergrad GI Bill usage is the tits
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print scream key posted:yeah what's your point? That there's nothing to gain from it. He's caught red handed. Calling him on it will probably embarrass him and might set him straight. Telling the professor could get him kicked out of school depending on how egregious they see the cheating to be. Why not give him a chance to right the ship before possibly ruining the next ~40 years that a college degree could get him? If he shows no remorse after you call him on it then by all means, tattle.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:16
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TBeats posted:That there's nothing to gain from it. He's caught red handed. Calling him on it will probably embarrass him and might set him straight. Because a paper still has to be turned in. I doubt his lab partner is going to poo poo it out in time and he'll have to make up some excuse why its late because "it's late because I gave him a chance to fix his egregious plagiarism" will result in the same type of punishment. Someone isn't necessarily getting kicked out for a first offense. It's not a fellow student's call to make, though. I would give someone the chance to fix something, too, but you can't do poo poo when the deadline is up and half of it is blatantly stolen.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:19
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No gently caress that guy forever. Get off that sinking ship.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:23
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Soulex posted:I will end you You know I'm getting an MFA, right?
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Mar 16, 2017 18:24
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I'm sure 99% of the people in college have cheated on something, including the people who post in this thread. So suddenly taking the holier than thou stance that it's against the rules so you should tell on him seems hypocritical and stupid.
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TBeats posted:I'm sure 99% of the people in college have cheated on something, including the people who post in this thread. So suddenly taking the holier than thou stance that it's against the rules so you should tell on him seems hypocritical and stupid. I'm sure 99% of people have uttered the words "hold my beer and watch this trick," but not while driving their family around in a minivan.
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TheQuietWilds posted:I'm sure 99% of people have uttered the words "hold my beer and watch this trick," but not while driving their family around in a minivan. I don't think driving drunk is an apt analogy for cheating in college
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TBeats posted:I'm sure 99% of the people in college have cheated on something, including the people who post in this thread. So suddenly taking the holier than thou stance that it's against the rules so you should tell on him seems hypocritical and stupid. So then what should he say for why his paper is late? He's going to likely get docked points for a late submission.
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You honestly can't see how some guy plagiarizing on a group paper is very bad?
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This isn't the military dude. It's not hard to ask for an extension, even on the basis of "my partner hasn't held up his end of the bargain." If you get turned down for it then by all means, explain what you mean by your partner not holding up his end. But why ruin the guy if there's an alternative that could possibly scare the poo poo out of him?
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Proud Christian Mom posted:You honestly can't see how some guy plagiarizing on a group paper is very bad? Yeah. You don't see how possibly ruining a guy academically for behavior that can be corrected is very bad? E: Whatever. This is the FYGM world we live in. Keep the trend going instead of trying to fix it I guess.
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I'm already going to take a hit on this report because I had to start the whole thing over. Whatever happens to him is not my concern; what happens to me is. I have not, do not, nor will cheat on anything I put my name on, whether for school or work, because I value my self-worth and reputation too much to just piss it away for saving a few minutes or whatever. I do not want my name to be on anything like that or to be associated with anyone who plays that way. It's not FYGM, it's "I don't want to get hosed." You're right, though: this isn't the military. There, you stick your neck out for your buddy because he's covering your rear end, too. That's not the case here. Naked Bear fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Naked Bear posted:I'm already going to take a hit on this report because I had to start the whole thing over. Whatever happens to him is not my concern; what happens to me is. I have not, do not, nor will cheat on anything I put my name on, whether for school or work, because I value my self-worth and reputation too much to just piss it away for saving a few minutes or whatever. I do not want my name to be on anything like that or to be associated with anyone who plays that way. That's why you go to the professor and ask for an extension due to your partner not holding up their end, and you show them the work you have done to substantiate what you are saying. If the professor says no, you tell them the reason you were asking is because your partner plagiarized what they gave you, and you wanted to give them a chance to do it properly. If the professor says yes, you get him to do it properly. If he continues not to, you tell the professor the reason you asked for an extension is to give your partner a chance to do things correctly. Everybody wins in this situation, and you might possibly keep a guy from getting hosed academically instead of finding an alternative that might scare the poo poo out of him and give him the message to get his poo poo straight going forward.
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I know what you mean, man, but I can't possibly imagine a scenario where the first word out of a prof's mouth isn't, "why?"
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TBeats posted:I'm sure 99% of the people in college have cheated on something, including the people who post in this thread. So suddenly taking the holier than thou stance that it's against the rules so you should tell on him seems hypocritical and stupid. (A) Nowhere near 99% of people cheat in college, Jesus Christ. It's not that hard to just do the drat writing yourself. And (2) even if you take the "everybody's doing it" ethical stance, the guy did put his unwitting lab partner in danger of punishment for plagiarism.
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And it is your concern what happens to him, because going forward you're forever going to be the guy who ratted on someone. And people in college are just as backstabbing and vindictive as people in the military. It just balances out because they aren't that way all the time like they are in the military. It's not hard to, at the very least, attempt to throw the guy a bone. at the date posted:(A) Nowhere near 99% of people cheat in college, Jesus Christ. It's not that hard to just do the drat writing yourself. And (2) even if you take the "everybody's doing it" ethical stance, the guy did put his unwitting lab partner in danger of punishment for plagiarism. They also taught about hyperbole in college. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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TBeats posted:And it is your concern what happens to him, because going forward you're forever going to be the guy who ratted on someone. lol There is practically nothing another college student can do to "backstab" you. College is nothing like the military except that it is also full of 18-21 year old shitheads whose parents didn't beat them enough.
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Zeris posted:You know I'm getting an MFA, right? lol seriously
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at the date posted:lol You're right. gently caress you got mine. Ruin the guy. It'll be worth it.
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Mar 16, 2017 19:01
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TBeats posted:You're right. It won't ruin him. A plagiarized lab report might get him booted from the class at worst, but a first offense won't get him expelled. Probably nothing will happen administratively b/c the professor won't want to do all that paperwork. On the other hand, it might get him to loving do his own work from now on and avoid worse in the future.
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at the date posted:It won't ruin him. It might get him booted from the class at worst, but a first offense won't get him expelled. Probably nothing will happen administratively b/c the professor won't want to do all that paperwork. You're right. gently caress you got mine. Ruin the guy's grade in the class. It'll be worth it because there are no other alternatives other than to do all the work yourself anyway after you tell on the guy.
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TBeats posted:You're right. Basically, yes?
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This reminds me of shooting cars full of civilians that are too stupid to know better than to speed into a checkpoint while ignoring EOF. I don't know man. If there's anything that can be done short of ruining the guy it'd be a lot of karma on your behalf. On the other hand it's not your job to spoon feed the guy reminders that the plagiarism rules are actually very serious.
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Zeris posted:This reminds me of shooting cars full of civilians that are too stupid to know better than to speed into a checkpoint while ignoring EOF. lol I'm trying to figure out which way this analogy swings. Was shooting cars full of civilians that trivial, or is ratting out a scumbag plagiarist that serious
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TBeats posted:And it is your concern what happens to him, because going forward you're forever going to be the guy who ratted on someone. A first offense for plagiarism in a low level science lab class isn't going to end someone's academic career. This only fucks him permanently if he's a repeat offender. This is his wakeup call. A fellow student isn't the person that should be providing that. If this was something due in a month and he just sent a preliminary draft over that had a few things stolen, I'd be right there with you. This was a lab report due in hours and 100% was not only copy and pasted, but wrong for what they were doing.
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at the date posted:lol it is unnecessary in the grand scheme, is the analogy.
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Accusing a lab partner of academic dishonesty... it's like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500
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TBeats posted:You're right. You know, I get this up to a point. If you wanna try and copy off my test when you're sitting near me in an exam, whatever, you wanna run that risk good luck. You wanna set up some kind of cheating ring where half the class is cheating off each other, go nuts, I really don't care. Try and use a smart phone, fancy calculator, cheat sheet, write on your leg or hand, whatever, it's your risk, you go right ahead. I'm not gonna narc you out. Best case, you get some easy marks. Worst case, you just hosed yourself. It isn't going to affect me, or anyone else who was wasn't cheating at all (except maybe a few points on a curve grade but whatever) But when you give someone some lazy, easily google-able poo poo that doesn't even look like the work that is supposed to be turned in, you have just hosed someone else. You run the benefit of getting more marks than having handed in nothing, but you have just dumped all your lovely risk onto someone else, who has done the work. By plagiarizing, you have just actively hosed everyone else in your group. They didn't get a choice, they won't see any benefit, they just unknowingly took on all that risk for literally no reward, that you will then reap assuming you don't get everyone hosed in the process. Ratting a dude out for having tried to gently caress you isn't loving him over. He just tried to gently caress you over without even a courtesy lick and is quite happy to watch you eat poo poo because he didn't want to do some work. Basically, if you'll only sink yourself, go ahead. If you're gonna sink other people as well, then gently caress you.
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not caring here posted:You know, I get this up to a point. If you wanna try and copy off my test when you're sitting near me in an exam, whatever, you wanna run that risk good luck. You wanna set up some kind of cheating ring where half the class is cheating off each other, go nuts, I really don't care. Try and use a smart phone, fancy calculator, cheat sheet, write on your leg or hand, whatever, it's your risk, you go right ahead. I'm not gonna narc you out. Best case, you get some easy marks. Worst case, you just hosed yourself. It isn't going to affect me, or anyone else who was wasn't cheating at all (except maybe a few points on a curve grade but whatever) Let's say he got caught plagiarizing. He would be hosed as well. So if he is "trying" to gently caress him, then there is part of this story that we aren't hearing since he would effectively be loving himself as well.
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