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exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Ainsley McTree posted:

I thought she was not-Italian

The whole basis of Antiva in Dragon Age was very much a sendup of Spanish aristocracy in the age of sail so I think that's what they were cribbing.

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Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Random rear end in a top hat posted:

Because Ashley at least had a personality, unlike Kaidan "Bread Sandwich" Alenko?

"I'm not racist but" ad infinitum isn't much of a personality.

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

Pattonesque posted:

OK but like what is the actual story behind it. If you know I'd be curious.

So basically Mac Walters was a great character writer back in the day. (ME1 and ME2) but throughout that success got way too big for his britches. Over time, he became what amounts to a ruthless dictator in the office, tossing out ideas of other writers and staff/editors, saying it was because of him Mass Effect even existed in the first place, etc etc. After the first stop start of ME:A, he started completely alienating the entire writing staff. No one wanted to work with him, his ego, or the continual conflicts. (Which could have been added pressure he didn't handle well to be fair, but... whatever. Other people face that same pressure and don't treat people like poo poo)

People started leaving. In droves. Long time standing talent (Like Cameron Harris - who had an extraordinary amount of talent and experience in the games biz and worked with NIntendo, Microsoft, Bioware, etc), people like Chris Schlerf, etc. All their talent was being blind-sided and not being used. Cameron said she left for another opp in Seattle - that opp was a freelance gig she could have done anywhere :)

Anyway, if you ever played Mafia 2, think Daniel Vavra and the relationship with 2K when they his story into bits and pieces to sell as DLC, and it completely whacked (No pun intended) the story into scattered pieces. (Joe's adventures was supposed to take place after Vito went to Prison and was supposed to be in the full game) and tied very well into the complete story arc.

Anyway, they all left. Along with animators, programmers, you name it. They had basically had enough of EA. (poo poo, who hasn't by now) and a few other select people that lost their minds.

What is left is the result of a hamstrung 3 region development core where no one spoke to each other and were trying to jam not only a story that was rewritten in 2016 into a launch title, but another reason why the dialogue is so phoned in and the story is all over the place. EA wanted this on their quarterly books. QA was non-existent (As always) and not even 3rd party contractors were brought in this time.

Add to that little to no QA.

It doesn't take much to realize when something goes into complete development hell. The blame for this falls squarely on the unethical, and liar, Mac Walters - and EA Executive management.

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀

This is the before and after on my makeup tutorial.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Kaidan's personality is "professional, chill military dude who has some regrets but doesn't need you to be his loving psychiatrist" and that's fine with me.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Utnayan posted:

So basically Mac Walters was a great character writer back in the day. (ME1 and ME2) but throughout that success got way too big for his britches. Over time, he became what amounts to a ruthless dictator in the office, tossing out ideas of other writers and staff/editors, saying it was because of him Mass Effect even existed in the first place, etc etc. After the first stop start of ME:A, he started completely alienating the entire writing staff. No one wanted to work with him, his ego, or the continual conflicts. (Which could have been added pressure he didn't handle well to be fair, but... whatever. Other people face that same pressure and don't treat people like poo poo)

People started leaving. In droves. Long time standing talent (Like Cameron Harris - who had an extraordinary amount of talent and experience in the games biz and worked with NIntendo, Microsoft, Bioware, etc), people like Chris Schlerf, etc. All their talent was being blind-sided and not being used. If you ever played Mafia 2, think Daniel Vavra and the relationship with 2K when they his story into bits and pieces to sell as DLC, and it completely whacked (No pun intended) the story into scattered pieces. (Joe's adventures was supposed to take place after Vito went to Prison and was supposed to be in the full game) and tied very well into the complete story arc.

Anyway, they all left. Along with animators, programmers, you name it. They had basically had enough of EA. (poo poo, who hasn't by now) and a few other select people that lost their minds.

What is left is the result of a hamstrung 3 region development core where no one spoke to each other and were trying to jam not only a story that was rewritten in 2016 into a launch title, but another reason why the dialogue is so phoned in and the story is all over the place. EA wanted this on their quarterly books. QA was non-existent (As always) and not even 3rd party contractors were brought in this time.

Add to that little to no QA.

It doesn't take much to realize when something goes into complete development hell. The blame for this falls squarely on the unethical, and liar, Mac Walters - and EA Executive management.

I remember reading this and isn't the source a 4chan post

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE

Brosnan posted:

See most people would never see this because why would you not choose to kill Ashley in ME1?

If you hold out til Mass Effect 3, you can shoot her yourself.

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

Fojar38 posted:

I remember reading this and isn't the source a 4chan post

No?

Edit: Oh, you are talking about that long post in the thread a few pages back that was discredited? That's only because people are going to be on the game credits even if they worked on preproduction and I am guessing whoeever wrote it didn't understand that and assumed they wouldn't be on those said credits.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Stroop There It Is posted:

Wait, does that mean you never got that scene where you catch her reading a particular novel by Varric? You should, but with some choice mods and ignoring the fetch quests if you're on PC. I insist that everyone replaying it installs a mod or uses CheatEngine to trigger companion dialogue more frequently, because there is a ton of character development, reactions to the plot, and hilarious writing in those that you miss if you don't wander around exploring a lot. It's seriously my favorite part of the game, and I got hosed over by a bug that made it trigger super rarely in my first playthrough.

Yeah Cassandra and the novel is a fantastic scene. Such a fun little detail for her character. The VA nailed it, too.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

What is the source then?

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

At the same time, the complete lack of citations or sources of any kind means I have to basically treat you like you're writing fanfiction.

AND THEN PATRICK WEEKES SLID HIS 12 INCH DICK RIGHT UP GARRUS' rear end

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


exquisite tea posted:

The whole basis of Antiva in Dragon Age was very much a sendup of Spanish aristocracy in the age of sail so I think that's what they were cribbing.

Huh. Always had it in my head as Italy for some reason but yeah that's definitely Spain now that I think of it. Well then.

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

Lumpy the Cook posted:

They didn't give the world Dragon Age Origins takes place in any name, so when they were developing DA2 they decided to name it Thedas because a handful of their forums users had taken to calling it 'the DAS (Dragon Age Setting)'. Some forethought lol

Lmao

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Captain Oblivious posted:

Kaidan's personality is "professional, chill military dude who has some regrets but doesn't need you to be his loving psychiatrist" and that's fine with me.

I got a yuck out of his first ship conversation being him firmly assuring you that no he's not Carth stop thinking that.

Kaidan in 3 was actually a surprisingly decent character and I remember liking him a lot.

Buck Wildman fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Mar 16, 2017

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

Fojar38 posted:

What is the source then?

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever worked in the game industry?

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

Brosnan posted:

See most people would never see this because why would you not choose to kill Ashley in ME1?

She knows what's good: Humanity, and the light of the Lord.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004



Like the other person said, "Thedas" is a perfectly cromulent name for a fantasy setting and the easter egg of its origin is completely harmless. It's not like characters are constantly winking and saying "the dragon age setting" or anything

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Kainser posted:

Most people killed Kaidan, Bioware released stats on it.

i did, he was carth but a whole lot more boring.

Utnayan posted:

So basically Mac Walters was a great character writer back in the day. (ME1 and ME2) but throughout that success got way too big for his britches. Over time, he became what amounts to a ruthless dictator in the office, tossing out ideas of other writers and staff/editors, saying it was because of him Mass Effect even existed in the first place, etc etc. After the first stop start of ME:A, he started completely alienating the entire writing staff. No one wanted to work with him, his ego, or the continual conflicts. (Which could have been added pressure he didn't handle well to be fair, but... whatever. Other people face that same pressure and don't treat people like poo poo)

People started leaving. In droves. Long time standing talent (Like Cameron Harris - who had an extraordinary amount of talent and experience in the games biz and worked with NIntendo, Microsoft, Bioware, etc), people like Chris Schlerf, etc. All their talent was being blind-sided and not being used. Cameron said she left for another opp in Seattle - that opp was a freelance gig she could have done anywhere :)

Anyway, if you ever played Mafia 2, think Daniel Vavra and the relationship with 2K when they his story into bits and pieces to sell as DLC, and it completely whacked (No pun intended) the story into scattered pieces. (Joe's adventures was supposed to take place after Vito went to Prison and was supposed to be in the full game) and tied very well into the complete story arc.

Anyway, they all left. Along with animators, programmers, you name it. They had basically had enough of EA. (poo poo, who hasn't by now) and a few other select people that lost their minds.

What is left is the result of a hamstrung 3 region development core where no one spoke to each other and were trying to jam not only a story that was rewritten in 2016 into a launch title, but another reason why the dialogue is so phoned in and the story is all over the place. EA wanted this on their quarterly books. QA was non-existent (As always) and not even 3rd party contractors were brought in this time.

Add to that little to no QA.

It doesn't take much to realize when something goes into complete development hell. The blame for this falls squarely on the unethical, and liar, Mac Walters - and EA Executive management.

interesting. poo poo wouldn't surprise at this point. so do you work for a game company? not judging or baiting, i assume you have, i havent at all, though i have heard horror stories. anyway listing your comments, it makes me think MA: A will be another dragon age 2.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Utnayan posted:

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever worked in the game industry?

What

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Utnayan posted:

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever worked in the game industry?

Let me ask you a question

How does Tali poop, please write a fanfic about that

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
Josephine's romance is pretty good too

You get to be a literal white knight and defend her honor in a duel

Bossie Lott
Nov 21, 2010
Ashley was a character I absolutely hated when I was 18 because I thought it was stupid as poo poo someone would have sincere religious beliefs in such a setting like that and then her xenophobia made no sense to me because aliens are loving cool.

Now that I'm older I don't exactly like her character, but I appreciate her existence. It's honestly pretty refreshing in such a starry eyed, positive space opera setting to have a character like her and her concerns about aliens/light xenophobia feel pretty realistic even though I wouldn't agree with them at all.

PureRok
Mar 27, 2010

Good as new.

Captain Oblivious posted:

How does Tali poop, please write a fanfic about that

She doesn't. Tali is perfect and does not produce waste.

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE

Utnayan posted:

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever worked in the game industry?
Yes.

Are you getting all this stuff direct from ex-Bioware people or what?

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Utnayan posted:

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever worked in the game industry?

Yeah man, I'm working right now - why do you think I'm posting here?

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Dapper_Swindler posted:


interesting. poo poo wouldn't surprise at this point. so do you work for a game company? not judging or baiting, i assume you have, i havent at all, though i have heard horror stories. anyway listing your comments, it makes me think MA: A will be another dragon age 2.
I bet the next Bioware RPG (which should be either the Dragon Age Tactics game or the new IP) ends up being a reaction to Andromeda's faults like Inquisition was to 2. I liked DA2 though so I'm sure I'll end up liking this.

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i did, he was carth but a whole lot more boring.


interesting. poo poo wouldn't surprise at this point. so do you work for a game company? anyway listing your comments, it makes me think MA: A will be another dragon age 2.

Yeah it doesn't get any better. Honestly, I am surprised they got this much done in what amounted to a 25 month dev cycle after the 2nd stop in 2014.

If you look at Horizon, Guerilla used every single ounce of that time in a fluid design philosophy. That is what a game that uses all 6 (5.9) years looks like.

ME:A is what 2 stop starts and a 23 month dev cycle and an insane creative director looks like. :(

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




FunkMonkey posted:

Yeah man, I'm working right now - why do you think I'm posting here?

I assumed we all only posted on this forum while at work? I've got better things to do than chat with goons while at home.

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

Bethesda and Bioware should be put down in this gamer's humble opinion.

Stroop There It Is
Mar 11, 2012

:gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar:
:stroop: :gaysper: :stroop:
:gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar:

Ainsley McTree posted:

Huh. Always had it in my head as Italy for some reason but yeah that's definitely Spain now that I think of it. Well then.
Well it's partially not-Italy and partially not-Spain. Rivain, which I had to look up, is where Isabella is from and is also partially not-Spain (with the not-Ottomans knocking at their door).

FunkMonkey posted:

I got a yuck out of his first ship conversation being him firmly assuring you that no he's not Carth stop thinking that.

Kaidan in 3 was actually a surprisingly decent character and I remember liking him a lot.
yeah he actually got a lot better in 3 (less whiny, more interesting).

PureRok posted:

She doesn't. Tali is perfect and does not produce waste.
are you saying she doesn't sweat

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


What prompted the various starts and stops in this game?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

tooterfish posted:

To see if she'd cheer when you let the xeno scum council die?

It's possible to get Ashley suggesting you save the Council. The way ME1 works is, at every big decision point one of your two squaddies will always advocate the paragon option and one will always advocate the renegade option. Who takes which side depends on where they are on the scale: Liara <-> Kaidan <-> Tali <-> Garrus <-> Ashley <-> Wrex. Whoever is to the left of your two squaddies will advocate the paragon choice. Whoever is on the right will advocate the renegade option.

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

Captain Oblivious posted:

Let me ask you a question

How does Tali poop, please write a fanfic about that

I'll give you a hint, those tubes on her helmet go direct to the turd cutter

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

Haledjian posted:

Yes.

Are you getting all this stuff direct from ex-Bioware people or what?

Yes.

As you know, since you work in the industry, you'll have a target on your back in a second if any of the truth actually gets out and someone becomes a whistle blower across any Development company / publisher for the most part.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
So it is "my uncle works at nintendo" tier lmao

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Does the terra firma party ever make an appearance in ME2 or 3? I can't remember

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
The phantasmal voice of George Costanza wails, "Follow the moneyyyy"

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

Nichael posted:

What prompted the various starts and stops in this game?

Turnover with the first, EA changes and complete turmoil turnover in 2014 when EA took a more firm grip on everything and basically outright stated Bioware was no longer, and were only a brand name now to market story based games.

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE

Utnayan posted:

Yes.

As you know, since you work in the industry, you'll have a target on your back in a second if any of the truth actually gets out and someone becomes a whistle blower across any Development company / publisher for the most part.
Oh, absolutely, and none of what you're saying sounds implausible. I was pressing because fans drawing wild conclusions from the tiniest bit of information is also a thing that happens, haha

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Ainsley McTree posted:

Does the terra firma party ever make an appearance in ME2 or 3? I can't remember

They were basically Cerberus' political arm IIRC

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