Old Mass Effect Megathread: Original Camera Angles

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Vhak lord of hate: Jun 6, 2008; I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS

CJ posted:

What does this mean?

An engine isn't inherently good at RPG cutscenes. For triple A games whatever engine they used is heavily modified to suit their needs by the engineers working on the game. When people say it's the wrong engine for the job they mean poo poo like Star Citizen which is trying to use an engine designed for relatively small playable areas and expand it to planet size terrain. I seriously doubt there's some inherent design flaw that makes facial animation impossible. The reason the animations look hosed up is they did a botch job of it.

Here's a cutscene from BF3 that isn't loving horrible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1WLzKcYJNU

The mouths in that clip suck donk in the same way as ME:A, it's the engine.

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Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Vhak lord of hate posted:

The mouths in that clip suck donk in the same way as ME:A, it's the engine.

Now that you mention it yeah if you watch with sound off it looks like those gifs

it gets really noticeable 29 seconds in

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Oh dear me: Aug 14, 2012; I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

I killed Kaidan because I played as Femshep and he was creepy. No I did not give you 'mixed signals', Lieutenant, let's see if you can interpret this bomb more successfully.

But I also disliked Kaidan's semi-wheezing vocal delivery and that prompts a question about Andromeda: is there a more normal range of (non-Salarian) men's voices than in previous MEs? ME2 in particular was nearly all gravel.

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tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

SubponticatePoster posted:

Oh, and Sera too. She's some "fake-rear end Cockney" but nope, that's her actual voice.

This is fake rear end cockney. I think Don took lessons from Guy Richie here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcDT02a1Ec&t=27s

Did she sound like that?

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Veotax: May 16, 2006

Aaaand refund accepted, I've heard Tales of Berseria is good, maybe I'll give that a try when the refund has been processed and I have the money back.

In the mean time, Nier comes out on the PC tomorrow.

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Ainsley McTree: Feb 19, 2004

Ambaire posted:

I thought I'd try for a last minute refund on my preorder but I've been sitting at 'Please wait while we connect you to an EA Game Advisor.' for 30 minutes now when they estimated the wait time at 10 minutes. Is there an alternative way to cancel that doesn't require human interaction?

That's how they get ya

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monster on a stick: Apr 29, 2013

SubponticatePoster posted:

Zaeed's gonna get posted tonight. Derelict Reaper, Tali, Legion and suicide mission. But then we have all of Overlord and Arrival

Please say you're going to bring Legion to Overlord :allears:

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escalator dropdown: Jan 24, 2007; Like all good stories, the second act begins with a call to action and the building of a robot.

Nichael posted:

Honestly, a ten hour demo of a Bioware RPG seems kind of like a mistake for EA. I'm not saying Andromeda will be great, but judging by the Bioware games I've played in the past, ten hours isn't good enough to judge these games.

This is true enough I guess, but... I've seen big seemingly good RPGs fall off the cliff later in the game, and I've seen decent/good ones turn out brilliantly, but I can't recall one starting out this bland and paint-by-numbers that turned the plot and characters around. It's possible that MEA's got a fantastic narrative and great character development later in the game. But I'm highly skeptical based on the first 6 hours.

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No Mods No Masters: Oct 3, 2004

https://s1.webmshare.com/QYWYe.webm

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Hace: Feb 13, 2012; <<Mobius 1, Engage.>>

Seems like the only good weapons in multiplayer are the sniper rifles. I got a Widow and just oneshot everything in bronze, and if I try to use literally any other gun it barely does anything.

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

escalator dropdown posted:

This is true enough I guess, but... I've seen big seemingly good RPGs fall off the cliff later in the game, and I've seen decent/good ones turn out brilliantly, but I can't recall one starting out this bland and paint-by-numbers that turned the plot and characters around. It's possible that MEA's got a fantastic narrative and great character development later in the game. But I'm highly skeptical based on the first 6 hours.

It's possible the game sucks, it's possible it's really good. I kind of wish I could try this ten hour demo myself but I'm not paying $5 for the privilege of playing something for ten hours a few days early.

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CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

tooterfish posted:

This is fake rear end cockney. I think Don took lessons from Guy Richie here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcDT02a1Ec&t=27s

Did she sound like that?

that there is forced as gently caress, as far as I remember Sera was always p relaxed with her tone of voice so...no, deffo not on that point anyway.

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BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

The start of the soon to be infamous "2 aliens 1 dude"

Utnayan posted:

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever worked in the game industry?

if you worked in the "games industry" you'd know we don't call it 'game industry'

that's the gambling/slots/casino industry

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DLC Inc: Jun 1, 2011

No Mods No Masters posted:

https://s1.webmshare.com/QYWYe.webm

female cat alien looks like a blowup doll. lol at that limp-wristed motion

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BravestOfTheLamps: Oct 12, 2012; by FactsAreUseless; Lipstick Apathy

No Mods No Masters posted:

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

No Mods No Masters posted:

Aside from animation issues, I think the design of this new species is kind of awful but whatever. It doesn't bother me that much.

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Pattonesque: Jul 15, 2004; johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

https://twitter.com/tibermoon/status/842476070905475074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

wHO KNOWS ANYMORE

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CJ: Jul 3, 2007; Asbungold

Vhak lord of hate posted:

The mouths in that clip suck donk in the same way as ME:A, it's the engine.

Here's one that isn't from a 6 year old game then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgE5E7e7Y-Y

If you still disagree, what exactly is the problem that is inherent to the engine?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 23:47

My Q-Face: Jul 8, 2002; A dumb racist who need to kill themselves

Cythereal posted:

It's possible to get Ashley suggesting you save the Council. The way ME1 works is, at every big decision point one of your two squaddies will always advocate the paragon option and one will always advocate the renegade option. Who takes which side depends on where they are on the scale: Liara <-> Kaidan <-> Tali <-> Garrus <-> Ashley <-> Wrex. Whoever is to the left of your two squaddies will advocate the paragon choice. Whoever is on the right will advocate the renegade option.

That can't be right :turianass:

I recently played and Tali was suggesting "what did the council ever do for you" while Garrus was hostile to the idea.

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No Mods No Masters: Oct 3, 2004

No Mods No Masters posted:

https://s1.webmshare.com/QYWYe.webm

I think they stole that lady's lips from the spore alien creator

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Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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CJ posted:

Here's one that isn't from a 6 year old game then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgE5E7e7Y-Y

If you still disagree, what exactly is the problem that is inherent to the engine?

Yeah I can still see it if the sound is off, and the problem is the trumpet lips

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Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

My Q-Face posted:

That can't be right I recently played and Tali was suggesting "what did the council ever do for you" while Garrus was hostile to the idea.

Huh. I thought I remembered Garrus saying let them die and Tali was saying save them. Guess I'm remembering wrong.

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monster on a stick: Apr 29, 2013

Cythereal posted:

Huh. I thought I remembered Garrus saying let them die and Tali was saying save them. Guess I'm remembering wrong.

The only one that's hardcoded I know is that Wrex will always say "kill the Rachni."

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Funky See Funky Do: Aug 20, 2013; STILL TRYING HARD

Cythereal posted:

Huh. I thought I remembered Garrus saying let them die and Tali was saying save them. Guess I'm remembering wrong.

The cool thing about me1 is that i think both of these could be right depending on how you interacted with the characters.

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My Q-Face: Jul 8, 2002; A dumb racist who need to kill themselves

Cythereal posted:

Huh. I thought I remembered Garrus saying let them die and Tali was saying save them. Guess I'm remembering wrong.

I let them die and Garrus said "I hope you know what you're doing, HUMAN! I think it's the only time in the series he sounded mad at you.

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CJ: Jul 3, 2007; Asbungold

Fojar38 posted:

Yeah I can still see it if the sound is off, and the problem is the trumpet lips

Can you give me a timestamp? I'm not seeing it.

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Buck Wildman: Mar 30, 2010; I am Metango, Galactic Governor

Cythereal posted:

Huh. I thought I remembered Garrus saying let them die and Tali was saying save them. Guess I'm remembering wrong.

Garrus can have his personal ethics dramatically affected in the first game, which may change his position on your chart.

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SgtSteel91: Oct 21, 2010

Funky See Funky Do posted:

The cool thing about me1 is that i think both of these could be right depending on how you interacted with the characters.

I remember pushing Garrus towards paragon and he was arguing to save the Council while Tali was like "what have they done for you? Screw them."

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SubponticatePoster: Aug 9, 2004; Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.; Slippery Tilde

tooterfish posted:

This is fake rear end cockney. I think Don took lessons from Guy Richie here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcDT02a1Ec&t=27s

Did she sound like that?

No. I mean it's definitely An Accent but I think most Americans only know "posh Londonite" or "ridiculous Cockney" so if it doesn't fall under one of those umbrellas it must be a put-on.

monster on a stick posted:

Please say you're going to bring Legion to Overlord

Of course, it's why we haven't done it yet.

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Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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CJ posted:

Can you give me a timestamp? I'm not seeing it.

I just went to a random part of the video, something with a pigeon, turned the sound off, and watched people's lips.

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IShallRiseAgain: Sep 12, 2008; Well ain't that precious?

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i think it will be a new IP, it kinda has to be at this point.

They'll bring back Jade Empire.

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Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

SgtSteel91 posted:

I remember pushing Garrus towards paragon and he was arguing to save the Council while Tali was like "what have they done for you? Screw them."

I once did a playthrough with Liara and Kaidan. It was weird hearing Kaidan talking up the Renegade options, but he's impressively cynical and sarcastic when he's in the right mood.

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Funky See Funky Do: Aug 20, 2013; STILL TRYING HARD

IShallRiseAgain posted:

They'll bring back Jade Empire.

I hope they do in a shot for shot remake kind of way. I never played it originally and now it's from that era of graphics that I just can't look at. Wish I'd known about it at the time though.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 00:01

2house2fly: Nov 14, 2012; You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Utnayan posted:

So basically Mac Walters was a great character writer back in the day. (ME1 and ME2) but throughout that success got way too big for his britches. Over time, he became what amounts to a ruthless dictator in the office, tossing out ideas of other writers and staff/editors, saying it was because of him Mass Effect even existed in the first place, etc etc. After the first stop start of ME:A, he started completely alienating the entire writing staff. No one wanted to work with him, his ego, or the continual conflicts. (Which could have been added pressure he didn't handle well to be fair, but... whatever. Other people face that same pressure and don't treat people like poo poo)

People started leaving. In droves. Long time standing talent (Like Cameron Harris - who had an extraordinary amount of talent and experience in the games biz and worked with NIntendo, Microsoft, Bioware, etc), people like Chris Schlerf, etc. All their talent was being blind-sided and not being used. Cameron said she left for another opp in Seattle - that opp was a freelance gig she could have done anywhere

Anyway, if you ever played Mafia 2, think Daniel Vavra and the relationship with 2K when they his story into bits and pieces to sell as DLC, and it completely whacked (No pun intended) the story into scattered pieces. (Joe's adventures was supposed to take place after Vito went to Prison and was supposed to be in the full game) and tied very well into the complete story arc.

Anyway, they all left. Along with animators, programmers, you name it. They had basically had enough of EA. (poo poo, who hasn't by now) and a few other select people that lost their minds.

What is left is the result of a hamstrung 3 region development core where no one spoke to each other and were trying to jam not only a story that was rewritten in 2016 into a launch title, but another reason why the dialogue is so phoned in and the story is all over the place. EA wanted this on their quarterly books. QA was non-existent (As always) and not even 3rd party contractors were brought in this time.

Add to that little to no QA.

It doesn't take much to realize when something goes into complete development hell. The blame for this falls squarely on the unethical, and liar, Mac Walters - and EA Executive management.

You need to source your quotes

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2house2fly: Nov 14, 2012; You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

The unethical, and liar, Mac Walters

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Vikar Jerome: Nov 26, 2013; I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

tooterfish posted:

This is fake rear end cockney. I think Don took lessons from Guy Richie here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcDT02a1Ec&t=27s

Did she sound like that?

Sera is written and voiced by people who have never been to england, threw a slightly bad regional lower class accent on and doesn't understand our nuanced use of the word Piss and when/how to use it. that is sera's biggest problem, constant misuse of that fine word.

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Haledjian: May 29, 2008; YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE

Vikar Jerome posted:

Sera is written and voiced by people who have never been to england

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2643464/

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Vikar Jerome: Nov 26, 2013; I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

Haledjian posted:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2643464/

sera is voiced by someone who has never interacted with other people from derby or any of these loving shires and im like two shires over.

edit: actually, its mainly the use of piss. i think maybe its all the writer here and the actress couldn't change it or didn't care enough to.

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