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My kart is third hand off some guy in Nascar now, I find it hard to believe there's no skill transfer when the first ten years of racing is spent doing the same thing.
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Turn left? Don't you mean turn right? They always turn left. Do I know more about this lovely sport than you do? It's not some badge you get called 'Road Racing' and you tick it off. You can spend an entire career perfecting those skills and someone that has been doing that, as opposed to splitting is focus to another form of racing largely irrelevant to the first, is going to be better. 1500quidporsche posted:My kart is third hand off some guy in Nascar now, I find it hard to believe there's no skill transfer when the first ten years of racing is spent doing the same thing. It's not binary, dude. It's no 'no transfer'. It's in all the hours I've been practicing I've been doing poo poo that is solely relevant to F1. You've been splitting your time between that and ovals. Maybe you overcome people by sheer skill for a while, in at the pointy end (F1 itself), I don't believe you're going to be able to do that.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:15
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Tony Montana posted:Turn left? Don't you mean turn right? They always turn left. Do I know more about this lovely sport than you do? No uhhhhhhhhhh I meant turn left, NASCAR tracks are clockwise.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:17
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ok whatever. Do you get my point, though?
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Mar 17, 2017 02:18
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I get your point. Its just a poo poo point that isn't correct.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:19
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Tony Montana posted:ok whatever. Do you get my point, though? No, it's literally a proven fact (given the many drivers who have exhibited speed in both disciplines) that these skills are much more transferable than you're suggesting.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:19
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Do you think that like, turning the steering wheel clock-wise is like some kind of weird discipline that's much different than turning it counter-clock-wise
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Like you mentioned, Iracing really did give me a respect for oval racing. Its not relaxing at all. I saw an interview with (i think) jeff gordan where he described the "line" around an oval and really they are using road racing techniques. Its just that the track really only has 2 or 3 very long lines. Its not their fault that their traditional circuits havent been ruined by bullshit chicanes. There were plenty of "barely brake ever" tracks 20 and 30 years ago in f1. I dont watch nascar because its boring, in the same way that basketball is boring. I watch soccer, aka F1. But its not the fault of the athletes
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Mar 17, 2017 02:20
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ok then. I don't agree. I think crossovers are rare and often with individually brilliant people that could drive anything. But if an American could be both WDC and oval champ at the same time, I would be very impressed.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:21
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Alain Post posted:Do you think that like, turning the steering wheel clock-wise is like some kind of weird discipline that's much different than turning it counter-clock-wise In Tony's mind its like when Uma Thurman visited the Old Chinese dude in Kill Bill and these drivers are just going off into the woods to spend a year turning left over and over.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:21
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Tony Montana posted:ok then. I don't agree. I think crossovers are rare and often with individually brilliant people that could drive anything. But if an American could be both WDC and oval champ at the same time, I would be very impressed. Mario Andretti did literally exactly this back when USAC was strictly an oval series.
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wicka posted:No uhhhhhhhhhh I meant turn left, NASCAR tracks are clockwise. Are you OK wicka? Are you trying some sarcasm or have you had an aneurysm?
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Tony Montana posted:ok then. I don't agree. What don't you agree with, exactly? Because these people exist regardless of whether or not you agree.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:22
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Alain Post posted:Mario Andretti did literally exactly this back when USAC was strictly an oval series. Literally the best possible example. Grew up racing dirt ovals, went into F1 because he was an Italian kid who loved Ascari. If American kids on ovals grow up admiring American F1 drivers, the same poo poo will happen.
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lets do a list. I've kinda always wanted to. We've got another week to wait. So, drivers that have had success in IndyCar coming to F1 and then the other way. poo poo we could probably list them all. I know Mansell did the back to back WDC and then Indy. I know Zinardi had a hard time in F1, it didn't work out and he asked for the steel brake discs on his car before he quit because he couldn't adjust to the carbon ones. I know Montoya was and is successful in both. oh yeah Andretti, of course. Those are all seriously talented drivers. Do you think F1 today is what is was when they did these things? Is Indycar?
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Andretti was the only one to do it when USAC was almost entirely an oval series. (though strangely enough Mansell was much better on Indycar ovals than he was on road courses, probably because NewmanHaas had the best engines in '93)
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I honestly do not care that Americans don't have much of a history in F1, tbh, I care much more about getting them back in top level motorcycle racing. gently caress Spain
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I think the whole point of this conversation is envisioning a hypothetical future in which F1 is significantly more popular than it is now, no? So the fact that drivers aren't making that leap currently isn't super relevant.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:29
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Alain Post posted:I honestly do not care that Americans don't have much of a history in F1, tbh, I care much more about getting them back in top level motorcycle racing. I just finished watching the 00 season and it was loving great.
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Did this guy call v8 supercars poo poo? Im American and I love it. It's fast, its aggressive, the tracks are interesting and the cars sound great. Its what I wish NASCAR was. Im a bit disappointed with next years new regulations. They are trying to change it into regular old touring cars. Dont get me wrong I love touring, but there are already good series for that.
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1500quidporsche posted:I just finished watching the 00 season and it was loving great. Get some old 500cc footage, the whole reason Americans were so good was that those loving things had so much power and so little grip that before they fixed it with more manageable engine timings, you absolutely needed a background racing motorcycles on dirt ovals to get the most out of them, and those were all Americans and Australians.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:33
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Alain Post posted:I honestly do not care that Americans don't have much of a history in F1, tbh, I care much more about getting them back in top level motorcycle racing. Ben Spies flew too close to the sun
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I frankly don't get what people see in V8 Supercars. The racing is mostly poor and the same two teams win almost every race.
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Alain Post posted:Andretti was the only one to do it when USAC was almost entirely an oval series. So he is an outlier and not the reliable method on which to develop American F1 drivers? wicka posted:I think the whole point of this conversation is envisioning a hypothetical future in which F1 is significantly more popular than it is now, no? So the fact that drivers aren't making that leap currently isn't super relevant. Exactly. I always say 'can you blame them?' because if my national series was as big as NASCAR and suzy rottencrotch had never heard of F1 and there was money flying around like it does in the States, why would you focus on F1? It's just a fact, not a judgement. It's got nothing to do with race and everything to do with where you've been spending your time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcMeRtWCZU Anyways, lets have a video. Great excuse to post Nige running through his new toy. The rear shot of the indycar ready for the oval is awesome, 'looks like it's been in an accident!'
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Tony Montana posted:Exactly. I always say 'can you blame them?' because if my national series was as big as NASCAR and suzy rottencrotch had never heard of F1 and there was money flying around like it does in the States, why would you focus on F1? It's just a fact, not a judgement. It's got nothing to do with race and everything to do with where you've been spending your time. It would appear that we have ended this discussion by arriving at a point of mutual agreement and, honestly, that's loving terrifying.
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Completely off topic but does anybody have a video of Mansell driving around with a reporter in a Ford Taurus in an oval. I remember watching that because it was my first car was one of those hunks of poo poo and it was the first time I really got interested in racing.Alain Post posted:Get some old 500cc footage, the whole reason Americans were so good was that those loving things had so much power and so little grip that before they fixed it with more manageable engine timings, you absolutely needed a background racing motorcycles on dirt ovals to get the most out of them, and those were all Americans and Australians. Even though I race a two stroke I was pretty loving shocked at how insanely brutal the torque curve was coming out of the corners on those bikes. I can only imagine how loving insane it would've been in the 80s before the advent of modern ignition electronics and power valves.
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Alain Post posted:I frankly don't get what people see in V8 Supercars. The racing is mostly poor and the same two teams win almost every race. Is this supposed to be an ironic post in the F1 thread?
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gret posted:Is this supposed to be an ironic post in the F1 thread? F1 is supposed to be boring. Touring car racing is supposed to be exciting and fun.
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Tony Montana posted:This was earlier but Australia has the Supercars which has been exported and all sorts of non-Australians apparently give a poo poo about now. You sound like a real rear end in a top hat when you post like this.
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loving lmao if you think driving a stock car around ovals is easy.
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Alain Post posted:Do you think that like, turning the steering wheel clock-wise is like some kind of weird discipline that's much different than turning it counter-clock-wise I don't. I have noticed that road racers generally do ok when challenged with an oval but the reverse is rarely true. And I can't explain why that is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bck2ykUay4g
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Mar 17, 2017 03:17
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Ferrari took Liberty up on the offer for FWONK shares. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/10/ferrari-formula-one-liberty-media-john-malone-stock
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Liberty FTW. Always knew the Scud would jump in.
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https://twitter.com/takiinoue/status/842376401198174208 loving love this guy when I work out what the broken English is intended to mean.
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Wirth1000 posted:So you don't remember the Renault van they put an F1 engine in and Prost did laps with That wasn't what a European would call a van so much as a people carrier with blanked out windows. Ford did the same thing with the Transit though.
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Alain Post posted:I frankly don't get what people see in V8 Supercars. The racing is mostly poor and the same two teams win almost every race. Australian touring car racing was alright during the Group C/A days, but since the V8 formula I have been slowly losing interest in it. The Car of the Future platform brought in some manufacturers, but when you have Triple 8 and Whingecup/SVG combo going on, it's downright boring. Except for Whingecup's gently caress ups at recent Bathurst 1000s.
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Human Grand Prix posted:You sound like a real rear end in a top hat when you post like this. He has a point though. Good drivers have competed in NASCAR (Montoya and Franchitti for example) but they cut their teeth in proper disciplines and usually only spent time in NASCAR for cynical reasons like white trash pay big bucks to watch that garbage. Just because they don't do well in it (the whole point system in that series is a ridiculous mindfuck that makes Bernie Ecclestone's poo poo ideas seem cool and good) doesn't mean that NASCAR is somehow as skillful as IRL or F1, if anything it's a bit like the townspeople in that film Fire Down Below. Theophany fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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Alain Post posted:I frankly don't get what people see in V8 Supercars. The racing is mostly poor and the same two teams win almost every race. ITS ARE RACE WITH ARE HOLDEN VS ARE FORD.
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