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Neo Rasa posted:You're both half-right, Ghost in the Shell has always intended to be set in a time of transition. While the English subtitles and dub call the 1995's city New Port City, I don't think it's actually given a name in the Japanese version (IIRC it might not even be mentioned in the English subtitles, only in the dub). Also, note-worthy: According to https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%94%BB%E6%AE%BB%E6%A9%9F%E5%8B%95%E9%9A%8A Innocence is in a vague location, but everywhere else is explicitly in Japan. quote:cool location shooting, but... Steve Yun posted:Ahh, forgot about the book. But story butchering aside, the film was generally well reviewed and avoided racial controversy. Maybe a little lackluster on ticket sales but I don't think that had anything to do with the fidelity to the original story. Hollywood took all the former away, most people don't care about hard scifi, and the action was competent. Thus it was well reviewed by people who didn't know poo poo, and few people cared since it was just another grey and shaky space marine movie. The new GITS is going in exactly the same direction, only it'll make money because it leans on preexisting interest. Mierenneuker posted:They are confusing whitewashing and white savior complex.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:To put things as straightforwardly as possible: people ITT are pursuing a free-market solution to the racism problem. Pure supply and demand: "we demand that racism end now, so the biggest corporations must supply an end to racism for us." Take this guy, for example: I appreciate your explanation. It makes a lot of things click, same with K-Waste. It reminds me of the documentary ゆきゆきて、神軍/The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On. The documentary's subject is Kenzo Okuzaki, a war veteran who goes around punching people for the truth. There's a moment when he visits a restaurant in Kobe City to talk to a former medic he served with in New Guinea. He's looking to uncover the truth behind the execution of two fellow soldiers they served with. The charge was "desertion", but the war was already over at that point so the people involved knew it was a drummed up charge and that these men died for exploitation/likely cannibalism. Rather than the owners understanding his desire to hold the government accountable for the loss of human life, people just look the other way or try to interfere. In the restaurant, he's told that the medic has "back problems" and can't visit with him, when in reality they just want Okuzaki to go away. Ultimately, when that won't deflect him the restaurant owners tell him things like "[but] we're busy" and "We have customers to serve." Inevitably resulting with Okuzaki rightfully blasting them about placing the value of human life below the act of making money. But this situation is expressly the result of the post-war miracle, and that "miracle" is the product of the relationship between the United States and Japan, and specifically what is a capitalist experiment. Something Ghost in the Shell, by nature of its narrative, accelerates past.
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Neo Rasa posted:hosed up. Looking to see this movie about Japanese special ops teams. China must be cheaper to shoot in and I take it the Japanese like the Chinese.
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White people are loving crazy and come up with the weirdest poo poo to get upset about.
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Cat's out of the bag: It is impossible to shoot in future Tokyo, so they were forced to rely on their location scouts and production design team working from a script to approximate what future Tokyo looks like on camera.
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Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift didn't cut corners when it came to Tokyo. Note my knowledge to the production of Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift solely lies in the movie itself.
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Is it actually set in Tokyo rather than New Tokyo? If it's New Tokyo it's meant to be an entirely different place anyway.
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New Tokyo is just conquered China, its a syi-fi movie let their imaginations go wild! What are the chances that all the changes make sense in converting ghost in the shell into an hollywood movie or this is just the "yang" to Edge of Tomorrow in terms of quality? Then how much does that quality actually matter to you? Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Tokyo Drift also takes place in a fictional version of Tokyo. The setting of a film is characterization, and Tokyo Drift is about how a lower income 'military brat' is condemned to Japan as a punishment, but finds instead an ecstasy of hypersexualization, cars competing with women for attention of the camera, a music video in form if not in function. It can not be confused with an 'authentic' depiction of Tokyo, because it is so credibly an artifice. GitS'17 is, similarly, a spontaneous artifice. Its setting in Tokyo is not in order to authenticate the clearly anti-realist narrative, but to turn Tokyo into New Port City/Niihama, which is a decision informed by a desire to emulate imagery from the '94 film while embellishing upon it from the drop. The setting and environment is a tool of characterization, but in neither the promotional trailers for GitS'17 or in Tokyo Drift will you find any particular emphasis on whether what the protagonist experiences is 'authentic Tokyo' or not. Instead, the focus is on organized crime, political corruption, the one major difference is how the hypersexual imagery is presented: whereas Tokyo Drift shows a music video, GitS'17 shows spider geishas and psychosexual/body horror that's actually significantly toned down from the '94 film.
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The setting is New Port City because in most continuities Tokyo got nuked back to the Iron Age.
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Dmitri-9 posted:The setting is New Port City because in most continuities Tokyo got nuked back to the Iron Age. Wasn't the second miracle the creation of radiation eliminating tech? Surely Tokyo is at least up to the Industrial Age by now.
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Tenzarin posted:Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift didn't cut corners This statement is funny out of context, hence this post.
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So, the Art of GITS artbook came out and it has some very spoilerific images worthy of discussion and/or anger...   gently caress this gay Earth
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"Mira." ...................lmao
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Young Freud posted:So, the Art of GITS artbook came out and it has some very spoilerific images worthy of discussion and/or anger... Stealing these to show my social media friends.
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Major Mira Killian So is that intended to be her current name until she realizes she is motoko, or does she end up realizing she was a japanese woman called Mira Killian?
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Dmitri-9 posted:The setting is New Port City because in most continuities Tokyo got nuked back to the Iron Age. Gyges posted:Wasn't the second miracle the creation of radiation eliminating tech? Surely Tokyo is at least up to the Industrial Age by now. The point is that all the convoluted canon doesn't clarify any creative choices or motivations of what actually appears at the surface level of a film or televisual series. Like, in brief, the concept of GitS'94 is that a bunch of shady paramilitary police forces successfully represses a scandal around the corruption of Japan's new 'counter-terrorist' forces in a 'border' setting where Chinese immigrants have significantly displaced indigenous Japanese, and on the periphery of all of this, two A.I. make a murder-suicide pact and 'give birth' to this anti-Christ singularity child. All the canon does is clarify that while the setting of the film has been through a post-war miracle and is a comfortable military super-power, it just looks like a standard metropolis with massive income inequality. Again, that the protagonists are the bad guys. Re: the remake/spiritual sequel, "Hanka" is just this white-skinned privilege skyscraper tombstone in a toyish, exploited "Tokyo" that now no longer bares any resemblance to Tokyo.
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Young Freud posted:So, the Art of GITS artbook came out and it has some very spoilerific images worthy of discussion and/or anger... just lol in general, especially at that terrible chart from a 12-year-old's english paper
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ufarn posted:"You're going to need reconstructive surgery, if you want a lead role in Hollywood." That chart may be one of the funniest things I have ever seen. I want it framed.
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i am wat i am
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We have the technology, we can rebuild her as a white person
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wat am i? a white lady
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Get Out 2 "Just think how much more successful an action star you'll be if we remove your Asian brain and place it in a white body."
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Young Freud posted:So, the Art of GITS artbook came out and it has some very spoilerific images worthy of discussion and/or anger... She was a Japanese person all along! Its like Tropic Thunder!
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They don't even seem to care about making Motoko look cool. Just a random Japanese actress for a few minutes. Would it kill them to just try the hair or do *something* with her? It just feels like tipping the lampshade or an inadvertent metaphor.
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FuturePastNow posted:We have the technology, we can rebuild her as a white person Neo Rasa posted:Get Out 2 "Just think how much more successful an action star you'll be if we remove your Asian brain and place it in a white body." We now have objective confirmation of the irony that GITS 1995 effectively endorsed a white supremacist ideology of racial 'colorblindness' ("tits or gtfo": everyone is a default white male on the internet!), while GITS 2017 now offers an explicit critique of this ideology that goes far beyond the paranoiac liberalism of Peele's recent film.
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In Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift, they take a make Ford Mustang '67, with a Skyline GT-R RB26DETT engine salvaged from Han's Nissan Silvia. Talk about white washing.
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Oh man, what's even more insulting is if you're looking at that flashback image loving Michael Pitt is in it, meaning that he was Caucasian all along, so it makes even less sense to do change the race. Especially for a custom, one-off body. Thinking more and more about this is just infuriating.
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Tenzarin posted:In Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift, they take a make Ford Mustang '67, with a Skyline GT-R RB26DETT engine salvaged from Han's Nissan Silvia. Talk about white washing. 
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ufarn posted:They don't even seem to care about making Motoko look cool. Just a random Japanese actress for a few minutes. Would it kill them to just try the hair or do *something* with her? The Asian effects they were testing was an Asian actress all along! 
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Tenzarin posted:I don't even understand what to be offended about in this picture! The jean jorts. MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Tenzarin posted:I don't even understand what to be offended about in this picture! They put American muscle into Godzilla.
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So how good is this?
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Arglebargle III posted:So how good is this? It looks like it's going to be perfectly fine providing: A. You don't give a gently caress about diverging from the anime. B. You're not the sort to complain about ~*~whitewashing~*~ as the end-all of movie critique.
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It doesn't diverge so much as whittle it down by removing anything that might reduce mass market appeal, and still not ending up as pretty as e.g. Battleship did.
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There's not really anything important about the original film being set in Japan so if it's visually cool, the music is interesting and the script works I'll still see it.
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Mithaldu posted:It doesn't diverge so much as whittle it down by removing anything that might reduce mass market appeal I guess you haven't noticed, but the thread consensus is actually that this film is replete with confrontational, racially charged imagery and 'dangerous messages' - whereas the original is backhandedly praised as a pretty-but-meaningless Nipponese tits movie, wherein our authentically Asian ninjess protagonist harms the baddie.
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The film is not actually out yet.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:meaningless Nipponese tits One day I'll set that as my username.
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