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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Auspol March - fuck the poor, fuck the SDA

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Frogfingers posted:

If the bosses aren't on their side who the gently caress is on their side?

People selling 1.4 million dollar apartments to them for spur of the moment purchases.

Oh and maybe some of their local congregations which are probably all dying off because of a lack of replacement numbers.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Mar 18, 2017

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drowned in pussy juice: Oct 13, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

rumble in the bunghole posted:

The greens will bring back straight edge hardcore so I'm sticking with them.

I didn't think there was a platform that could make me abandon the greens so kudos

# ? Mar 18, 2017 22:31

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Toys For rear end Bum posted:

LOL so pretty much, Dutton is making the government look like it's cowering under the might of ~~the waffen SSM~~ a mob of high-profile business executives

probably a ham fisted attempt at making himself look a bit anti-establishment or something

also I suppose he feels he needs to be getting a few more mentions in the media and be seen to be showing some 'leadership' to support his pitch for the top job so we'll probably see more of this

# ? Mar 18, 2017 22:57

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

gay picnic defence posted:

probably a ham fisted attempt at making himself look a bit anti-establishment or something

also I suppose he feels he needs to be getting a few more mentions in the media and be seen to be showing some 'leadership' to support his pitch for the top job so we'll probably see more of this

gotta build on the momentum of that 3%

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:00

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Solemn Sloth posted:

gotta build on the momentum of that 3%

probably thinks it's merely due to his lower profile than some of the alternatives

I still reckon Morrison will be the next PM though

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:05

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

gay picnic defence posted:

probably thinks it's merely due to his lower profile than some of the alternatives

I still reckon Morrison will be the next PM though

Depends how much people in the party think of him as legit, imo they don't want to put anyone up that they actually want to see lead because they've given up on the next election.

Wouldn't be surprised if they chucked Bishop up there so they can say "we let a woman lead the party and the country" while also saying "clearly women don't work out in leadership, as shown by this historic election loss, see you in another thirty years".

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:08

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Solemn Sloth posted:

Depends how much people in the party think of him as legit, imo they don't want to put anyone up that they actually want to see lead because they've given up on the next election.

Wouldn't be surprised if they chucked Bishop up there so they can say "we let a woman lead the party and the country" while also saying "clearly women don't work out in leadership, as shown by this historic election loss, see you in another thirty years".

The election slogans for the off-brand ~~Huey~~ Bronnie The Helicopter campaign posters practically write themselves.

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:22

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Solemn Sloth posted:

Depends how much people in the party think of him as legit, imo they don't want to put anyone up that they actually want to see lead because they've given up on the next election.

Wouldn't be surprised if they chucked Bishop up there so they can say "we let a woman lead the party and the country" while also saying "clearly women don't work out in leadership, as shown by this historic election loss, see you in another thirty years".

That would rely on Bishop being dumb enough to take the job. She might be an evil piece of poo poo but she's also cunning as an outhouse rat and I doubt she'd let herself be set up to take the fall like that

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:24

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

Same-sex marriage: Conservative MPs prepare to block moderates� manouevre

CONSERVATIVE government MPs are frantically marshalling their numbers to foil a plot by moderate Liberals planning to reignite the same-sex marriage debate this week.

Conservatives, including one 🥔senior government minister🥔, caught wind of the secret plan to lobby Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to abandon his commitment to hold a plebiscite on marriage equality.

The Sunday Telegraph can reveal up to 12 Liberal MPs and senators �intended to sign a letter and present it to Mr Turnbull as soon as Monday, urging him to revisit the government�s plebiscite policy before the May Budget.

The plot was negotiated by a group of moderate Liberal MPs in a late-night meeting in a senior minister�s office earlier this month.

The group argue same-sex marriage should be dealt with in the next fortnight because it is �necessary to guarantee clear air for the Budget�.

Several cabinet ministers were aware of the plan to ambush the PM with the letter, which was backed by moderate Liberal MPs including Tim Wilson, Trent Zimmerman and �Warren Entsch.

But in frantic weekend negotiations, senior government MPs tried to foil the plot urging same-sex marriage advocates not to act before the Budget because their colleagues �continued to support a plebiscite�.

Supporters were also told the timing was no longer right given the move by 20 of Australia�s top CEOs to publicly push the Prime Minister to legalise same-sex marriage last week.

News of the latest plot is expected to inflame Coalition tensions as MPs return to Canberra today for the final sitting fortnight before the Budget.

One same-sex marriage backer said: �The issue is not going to go away ... I want (Treasurer Scott) Morrison to have the best chance to sell his first post-election budget and this issue is an ever-present risk.�

Supporters of same-sex marriage now believe if Mr Turnbull buckles to conservative pressure to amend the Racial Discrimination Act, which would break an election promise, he could also be persuaded to break his election commitment to hold a plebiscite and instead allow Liberal MPs a free vote in Parliament.

Last month a Senate committee reached consensus on how the Marriage Act could be changed while �allowing religious exemptions.

Conservatives want Mr Turnbull to stick to his election commitment to hold a plebiscite, even though it was defeated in Parliament last year.

Any move away from that position could damage relations between the Liberal Party and Nationals and could prompt some government MPs to �resign, threatening the Government�s one-seat majority in the House.

Conservative Liberals are split �between staunch opponents of marriage reform and those who accept it will eventually pass Parliament.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...1755-1489876272

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:36

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Di Natale has come out in full throated support of Sally McManus and the rights of workers to pursue industrial action and break unjust laws in doing so.

Australian Labor Party lol

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:39

Capt.Whorebags: Jan 10, 2005

gay picnic defence posted:

That would rely on Bishop being dumb enough to take the job. She might be an evil piece of poo poo but she's also cunning as an outhouse rat and I doubt she'd let herself be set up to take the fall like that

See also: COSTELLO, Peter

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:43

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

gay picnic defence posted:

That would rely on Bishop being dumb enough to take the job. She might be an evil piece of poo poo but she's also cunning as an outhouse rat and I doubt she'd let herself be set up to take the fall like that

This is true, I guess that's why Dutton is an actual potential choice, he's dumb enough to accept it.

# ? Mar 18, 2017 23:50

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Dutton would make a perfect fall guy after Turnbull, actually. It's not like they're actually aware how that would put the finishing touches on their doom.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 00:16

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

Based on the miniscule margin with which Potatoman holds his own electorate, the difference between Turnbull and Dutton's leadership heading into the next election is going to be 'comprehensive defeat’ vs ’historically significant wipe out’. Any seat with a margin of less than 10% is toast. The resulting 3+ term Labor govt may even fix our revenue problem, internet, media monopoly and education funding issues.

So yeah bring it on is what I'm saying.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 00:33

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Don Dongington posted:

Based on the miniscule margin with which Potatoman holds his own electorate, the difference between Turnbull and Dutton's leadership heading into the next election is going to be 'comprehensive defeat’ vs ’historically significant wipe out’. Any seat with a margin of less than 10% is toast. The resulting 3+ term Labor govt may even fix our revenue problem, internet, media monopoly and education funding issues.

So yeah bring it on is what I'm saying.

You are putting a lot of faith in an electorate that elected a party led by Tony loving Abbott.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 00:46

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

maybe we should start a goon project to have everyone email Dutton and tell him how great we think he would be as PM

# ? Mar 19, 2017 00:52

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Hadn't seen this posted yet. The Green's have had the Parliamentary Budget Office cost the swap from stamp duty to land tax. I have been a fan of this idea for a while, the issue was the shortfall in state revenue in the years just after the introduction, since land tax would only be paid by those who haven't paid stamp duty under the new deal. Their plan is to have the Federal Gov lend them the shortfall in the years afterward and then have them pay it back down the track when land tax brings in more than what stamp duty was.

While it's not a silver bullet for all our woes, it helps with so many of our housing market issues and state revenue. I wonder if the fact that the Green's have brought this up means that people will automatically reject it.

The only thing that confuses me is that they seem to have the land tax too low at 0.1%. They say that a 1 million dollar property would currently mean a stamp duty of $40,000 in NSW and $55,000 in VIC. Yet the land tax would only cost about $1,000 a year in both cases, which would mean that people would need to own their houses for longer than 40 years and 55 years respectively for it raise higher revenue. The only way I can see it making more money is if they expect property to continuing increasing at a rate higher than inflation, which seems like a bad long term plan. Would really love hear other people's thought's. I thought that the land tax should be around 0.2%?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...315-guyezb.html

SMH posted:

The Parliamentary Budget Office has costed a proposal that would kill stamp duty and replace it with land tax, saving home buyers up to $40,000 in Sydney and $55,000 in Melbourne, while delivering billions of dollars to fund schools and hospitals.

The costing will put land tax back up for debate when Parliament returns next week as the government looks to mark its authority on the housing affordability crisis less than two months out from the federal budget.

Both the NSW and Victorian governments have thrown their weight behind broader stamp duty tax reform and Treasurer Scott Morrison has indicated his support for a transition to taxing land.

"When you talk about tax reform, this is far and away the biggest prize on offer," said John Daley, the chief executive of independent think tank the Grattan Institute.

Under current regulations, home buyers pay tens of thousands of dollars in stamp duty, creating an additional hurdle for people looking to enter the market amid soaring property prices in Sydney and Melbourne.

Removing stamp duty and implementing an annual land tax on all newly purchased homes would help level the playing field and generate billions of dollars in annual returns to the NSW and Victorian budgets, while also relieving federal government spending over a 15-year-period.

Under the policy submitted by the Greens and backed by the Grattan Institute and the Council of the Ageing, home buyers would no longer stump up to $40,000 in stamp duty when purchasing a property worth $1 million in Sydney. In Melbourne, a home buyer would save $55,000 stamp duty on a property of the same value.

Research from the Grattan Institute shows an annual tax of $1 per every $1000 of a home's value would cost the median Sydney household $845 a year in tax and the median Melbourne home $623 a year.

To offset the cost of losing lucrative stamp duty payments, the Commonwealth would have to loan money to the states. The loans would peak in 2020 when the hit to the budget bottom line would grow to $800 million. Rising land tax revenues would enable the states to pay back the loan by 2030.

The Parliamentary Budget Office estimates that in the next four years alone the tax would generate $2.3 billion in revenue for the states, but warned the overall costings were of low reliability due to the variations in number of properties sold across Australia each year.

Greens Leader Richard Di Natale said the prospect of property ownership had turned into a nightmare for many young people.

When you talk about tax reform, this is far and away the biggest prize on offer

"Together with Capital Gains and negative gearing reforms, swapping stamp duty for a broad-based land tax would fix the broken system and make it easier for young people to live the Australian dream," he said.

In December, Treasurer Scott Morrison pushed the states to transition to a land tax at the state and federal treasurers meeting.

He praised comments from NSW Treasurer Dominic Perrottet that reforms would free up housing stock for young buyers by encouraging them to move more.

In NSW the government provides concessions on stamp duty for new properties under $650,000 but with a median house price of more than $1 million few are sold below that price.

On Friday, Mr Perrottet said he welcomed dialogue with the Commonwealth "on sensible ways to reduce the tax burden and improve the efficiency of the tax system".

A spokesman for Mr Morrison said "various ideas were always flagged on big issues," but "the government won't be drawn on budget speculation."

Mr Daley urged the states and Commonwealth to work together on the basis that the long term benefits would outweigh the short term political pain.

"It would be very difficult to find any policy analyst or economist who doesn't think it's a good idea," he said.

A tax on land is considered among the most efficient of all taxes because it is hard to avoid, targets the rich more than the poor, and unlike upfront taxes, does not discourage people from buying things like a GST does, and therefore provides both an economic and budgetary boost.

"Stamp duties are inefficient because they lead to people living in a house much smaller or larger than they need to because they don't want to pay more stamp duty," said Mr Daley.

Council of the Ageing chief executive Ian Yates said the policy would help older Australians but would need to include provisions for rates to be deferred so new taxes did not hit pensioners in the short term.

"Stamp duty is a hurdle for older people to relocate or to 'right size' because they want something that is modern and in the same area and that is a financial challenge," he said. cut

He urged Canberra to unite behind the change.

"When there is unanimity on the benefits of the transition it's time we collectively applied our mind to how we get there," he said.

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Resident Idiot: May 11, 2007; Maxine13; Grimey Drawer

Don Dongington posted:

Based on the miniscule margin with which Potatoman holds his own electorate, the difference between Turnbull and Dutton's leadership heading into the next election is going to be 'comprehensive defeat’ vs ’historically significant wipe out’. Any seat with a margin of less than 10% is toast. The resulting 3+ term Labor govt may even fix our revenue problem, internet, media monopoly and education funding issues.

So yeah bring it on is what I'm saying.

Remember the defeat in 2007 when the senior serving Liberal was the Lord Mayor of Brisbane, and Labor would be in power for a generation? Good times.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 00:56

Wheezle: Aug 13, 2007; 420 stop boats erryday

Yeah, I don't know why people always predict multiple term governments. Everything we've seen in the last decade or so should tell you something about how wrong these predictions are.

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adamantium|wang: Sep 14, 2003; Missing you

"Rainbow Gestapo" against Coopers is "worse than anything in Eastern Europe" - Mark Latham

# ? Mar 19, 2017 01:49

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

adamantium|wang posted:

"Rainbow Gestapo" against Coopers is "worse than anything in Eastern Europe" - Mark Latham

Rainbow Gestapo is what Ross Cameron calls the NSW Division of the Liberal Party.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 02:10

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/843258298094690305

# ? Mar 19, 2017 02:15

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/843258298094690305

it seemed to flow kinda naturally until he got to the bit about shorten

# ? Mar 19, 2017 02:35

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

gay picnic defence posted:

it seemed to flow kinda naturally until he got to the bit about shorten

Shorten tweeted the article.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 02:41

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/843258298094690305

Tweets that length of time apart are in no way the sign of a panicked man desperate to convince others.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 04:37

snoremac: Jul 27, 2012; I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Rainbow Gestapo is what Ross Cameron calls the NSW Division of the Liberal Party.

Oh lord, I was in the room with my dad while this dreck was on. He agreed with the argument that boycotting is wrong because the company is just expressing an OPINION. When I said nobody is saying they can't have an opinion, but are judging the opinion by choosing to boycott, he said some poo poo about shutting down debate. When I asked if it would be okay for the Jewish community to boycott a company whose CEO said the Holocaust didn't happen, he didn't speak for about 15 seconds before saying "They can boycott privately but not publicly," before saying he wasn't in the mood to talk anymore.

In arguments with dad this is what I consider a win.

brb getting drunk

Edit: Actually the convo ended when I asked if it would be wrong to boycott a company that was pro-ISIS, which resulted in a word salad about "natural boycotts" that I think deep down he knew was stupid.

snoremac fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Mar 19, 2017

# ? Mar 19, 2017 05:32

Box of Bunnies: Apr 3, 2012; by Pragmatica

The Rainbow Gestapo are shutting down debate!

[likes seven different "boycott Halal" pages on Facebook]

# ? Mar 19, 2017 05:39

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Box of Bunnies posted:

The Rainbow Gestapo are shutting down debate!

[likes seven different "boycott Halal" pages on Facebook]

Bill Leak was murdered by the assassins of the Sydney leather pride association

# ? Mar 19, 2017 05:50

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Bill Leak was murdered by the assassins of the Sydney leather pride association

New float for mardigras

# ? Mar 19, 2017 06:17

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

New float for mardigras

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmmfCkzqrNI

# ? Mar 19, 2017 06:22

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmmfCkzqrNI

Seeing this is what killed Bill Leak.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 06:23

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Seeing this is what killed Bill Leak.

I see why too, that flag waving routine was very poorly co-ordinated.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 06:27

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/samanthamaiden/status/843282638907490304

# ? Mar 19, 2017 06:49

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://twitter.com/samanthamaiden/status/843282638907490304

"Have you tried killing the poor? "

" just because we ran it though a computer simulation doesn't mean we would actually do it."

# ? Mar 19, 2017 07:29

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Your organization is broken if you keep doing things like this:

quote:

"He was not up to leading the team in this (election) campaign and as a result we had a landslide loss," Dr Nahan told The Sunday Times.

Breaking a week-long silence, Dr Nahan said there was division in the Liberal party after Mr Barnett refused to hand over the reins last September.

"We needed Colin to make the decision to leave by his own volition, and that did not happen," he said.

It's understood Dr Nahan will run uncontested on Tuesday when the party meets for the first time since the humiliating loss.

The same paralysis as in 2007 with Howard. You'd think that lately they'd be getting better at ditching bad leaders. They needed to be rid of him early and they put it off forever.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 09:39

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

ewe2 posted:

The same paralysis as in 2007 with Howard. You'd think that lately they'd be getting better at ditching bad leaders. They needed to be rid of him early and they put it off forever.

Weren't the WALibs hosed from the get go?
Wonderful combination of massive shortfalls in revenue combined with being the party that led to that despite having also presided over what should have been massive windfalls from mining should probably see you experience the landslide every time.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 10:12

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Newspoll soon comrades.

# ? Mar 19, 2017 10:46

TheMightyHandful: Dec 8, 2008

ewe2 posted:

Your organization is broken if you keep doing things like this:

The same paralysis as in 2007 with Howard. You'd think that lately they'd be getting better at ditching bad leaders. They needed to be rid of him early and they put it off forever.

Aren't you better to dump him after when you are going to lose anyway?

# ? Mar 19, 2017 11:08

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/843414177532141568

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/843414681146421248

# ? Mar 19, 2017 11:53

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# ? May 12, 2024 16:37

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/843414177532141568

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/843414681146421248

Convincing evidence that the rebounding fortunes of the coalition were caused by the strong leadership of Dutton, and they should switch to him before the next election

# ? Mar 19, 2017 11:59

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