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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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ronya posted:that only deters being nuked to annihilation Didn't really deter the Daleks either.  Edit: 95 - The year Barings Bank, Britian's oldest at that point, collapsed. Stabbatical fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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It's also nice because it's completely useless as a first strike weapon, fulfilling the requirements of MAD without even requiring a nuclear armed adversary! e: ronya posted:that only deters being nuked to annihilation It does if it's your first response to any nuclear attack at all. It's only if you fumble around with wishy-washy rubbish like "proportional" responses that the system breaks down. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 18:41
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big scary monsters posted:It does if it's your first response to any nuclear attack at all. It's only if you fumble around with wishy-washy rubbish like "proportional" responses that the system breaks down. that's a totally unbelievable pledge. and why draw the line there, anyway? You may as well run around screaming that Iceland better give back us back our cod or you'll blow us all to heck. that's about just as believable as promises go it's certainly hilarious to sketch how it'd work though. the force de frappe would switch from promising to nuke the adversary to promising to nuke london
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Mar 18, 2017 18:50
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Bern notice
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Mar 18, 2017 18:51
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The good thing about living in central London is that, in the event of global thermonuclear war, I'll die fast and painlessly.
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Mar 18, 2017 18:51
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Pochoclo posted:The good thing about living in central London is that, in the event of global thermonuclear war, I'll die fast and painlessly. You'll look back on this post in 240 years and make a bitter gurgle through your radioactively-mutated gills.
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Mar 18, 2017 18:53
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baka kaba posted:Bern notice "Bobby did not die for cross-border bodies with executive powers. He did not die for nationalists to be equal British citizens within the Northern Ireland state." - Sand's sister
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Mar 18, 2017 18:55
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I might not have been making entirely serious policy suggestions, although at least in Corbyn's case it might actually be a more credible deterrent than the current, targeted system.
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Mar 18, 2017 18:55
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The ogvernmenr should make some sort of orbital death laser instead of renewing trident imo. Would create tins of jobs if the whole thing including the rockets to launch were made by us
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Mar 18, 2017 19:01
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big scary monsters posted:A doomsday device is the way to go. Plant sufficiently many large enough nukes under the entirety of the UK that we can respond to any first strike by wiping the British Isles from the map and filling the atmosphere with enough radioactive dust that no sunlight reaches the planet's surface for the next decade and the topsoil of the entire globe is deadly to all life.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:03
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Pistol_Pete posted:To have a proper nuclear deterrent you need a bit of everything: strategic bombers, mobile, land based systems and submarines. It's called the Nuclear Triad and it ensures that no matter what, you'll preserve enough of your nuclear forces to launch retaliatory strikes in the event of an attack. Assuming that you do actually mean deterrent and not general nuclear force, Trident is actually a credible deterrent. It is a second-strike system that is basically indestructible - destroying that single sub would take either a chain of absolutely colossal and perfectly-timed series of fuckups, or the most incredible bit of luck in the history of warfare. It's an incredibly quiet sub that has the entire Atlantic to hide in, and almost certainly has one or more attack subs hanging around nearby as escort. There's no point in land- or air-based systems on an island that's about the size of a shoe less than six minutes flight from your most probable adversary - they're only of use if you can base them much closer to their targets and that requires an American-style hegemony. Also, assuming that we have a conventional Transition To War and not a sudden decapitation strike (again no loving point in having V-bombers and Blue Streak when they can turn your entire nation into glowing dust in less time than it takes to go "Hey, what's that on the screen?") then we'd almost certainly have two and maybe even three Vanguards at sea, depending on the exact point in the maintenance cycle. Given each of them, even with the reduced warhead load they currently carry, has more destructive power than has been used in all wars combined to this point, that's a fairly loving credible deterrent. The only people saying otherwise either just don't believe in the concept of a deterrent (which is a fair enough position to take and one I'm slowly coming round to), are Turgidsons who think that a nuclear war is winnable, or are MIC companies who desperately pretend that we absolutely need nuclear-tipped codpieces for every single infantryman or Russia will call us pussies.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:06
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forkboy84 posted:Capitalism is probably to blame, if you peel back all the layers. You don't even have to peel back that many.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:09
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Russia will call us pussies. This last point does seem like a credible threat tbf.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:10
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Pochoclo posted:The good thing about living in central London is that, in the event of global thermonuclear war, I'll die fast and painlessly. or if your unlucky, survive the initial blast cos you're down on the northern line at the time.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:16
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big scary monsters posted:A doomsday device is the way to go. Plant sufficiently many large enough nukes under the entirety of the UK that we can respond to any first strike by wiping the British Isles from the map and filling the atmosphere with enough radioactive dust that no sunlight reaches the planet's surface for the next decade and the topsoil of the entire globe is deadly to all life. Unfortunately we're a bit far north for that threat to work, you need nukes going off in the tropics or at least under a Hadley cell for a proper nuclear winter - fallout from the UK will just end up making Scandinavia a bit less gloomy. Hmm, makes me wonder why we're so insistent on holding on to Gibraltar...
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Mar 18, 2017 19:19
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Jose posted:The ogvernmenr should make some sort of orbital death laser instead of renewing trident imo. Would create tins of jobs if the whole thing including the rockets to launch were made by us Plus, it would give Theresa May something to do when she's kicked out of office 
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Mar 18, 2017 19:26
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Guavanaut posted:Can it be Coventry? As a Coventrian, seconded. Bonus if you can get Birmingham and Wolverhampton in the blast radius too. e: also Northampton, because gently caress Northampton
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Mar 18, 2017 19:59
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It is a second-strike system that is basically indestructible - destroying that single sub would take either a chain of absolutely colossal and perfectly-timed series of fuckups, or the most incredible bit of luck in the history of warfare. Or just hanging around near Faslane and following it.  2010 incident too.In other bourgie news, I bought a bottle of whisky today and the lady on the checkout opened up the enclosing box to discover that some glorious bastard had removed the security tag and necked the bottle, before replacing it on the shelf and somehow managing not to die on his way out of the store. 
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Mar 18, 2017 20:08
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Wanna see that security footage.
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Mar 18, 2017 20:14
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Prince John posted:Or just hanging around near Faslane and following it. Nah, they probably just filled up a plastic bottle inside their coat or something. But I have to admit the idea of someone downing an entire bottle of whisky in the store is funnier.
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Mar 18, 2017 20:16
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Jose posted:The ogvernmenr should make some sort of orbital death laser instead of renewing trident imo. Would create tins of jobs if the whole thing including the rockets to launch were made by us I think Jose played too much command and conquer back in the day
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Mar 18, 2017 20:16
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JFairfax posted:I think Jose played too much command and conquer back in the day 
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Mar 18, 2017 20:48
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Please don't leak green party confidential nuclear defence plans.
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Mar 18, 2017 20:51
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Prince John posted:Or just hanging around near Faslane and following it. Well that's a big reason they want to replace it with the Dreadnought. Sneaky Ivan daring to update his own sensors and tactics, dashed unsporting.
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Mar 18, 2017 20:56
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Surgically insert nukes into UKIP members, they'll float by themselves
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Mar 18, 2017 20:57
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JFairfax posted:I think Jose played too much command and conquer back in the day We could try the proposal that involves launching massive tungsten rods from space at targets instead i guess. Osborne only applied for the evening standard after friends asked him for advice on if they should the snake
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Mar 18, 2017 21:12
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/843160705943715844 https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/843164332926164992
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Mar 18, 2017 23:59
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Thats something.
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Mar 19, 2017 00:00
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The something is that we now accept that as entirely normal. It's not normal. Ed 'the media doesn't like this guy' Milliband polled far higher just five years ago. Corbyn is a turkey.
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Mar 19, 2017 00:10
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/843182716753510400 Different companies have UKIP on 13%, 10% and 6% all within days of each other. Accuracy!
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Mar 19, 2017 00:13
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jabby posted:Different companies have UKIP on 13%, 10% and 6% all within days of each other. Accuracy! Maybe one of them's consulting the audience recruitment person from Question Time.
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Mar 19, 2017 00:24
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serious gaylord posted:Thats something. Well, the media says Jeremy Corbyn isn't being treated unfairly.
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Mar 19, 2017 01:54
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Pissflaps posted:The something is that we now accept that as entirely normal. I don't see it that way. This confirms how most don't even question what they consume as they either don't look at neutral or opposing media to their own opinions or worldview. When I see a "neutral" source as the BBC running articles about how great Theresa May is and how bad Corbyn is for not doing sick PMQs burns, instead of running lies, corruption and broken manifesto pledges as a story, I can't really blame the majority thinking he's not misrepresented. Also, no platforming from lack of coverage is also a thing, especially from the usual suspects like the heil, telegraph and sun.
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Mar 19, 2017 09:08
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No actually it's better to let your hatred of Corbyn warp your thinking until you're deriding the possibility that media bias exists.
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Mar 19, 2017 10:23
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And ignore the study the showed the media frequently misreported stories about Corbyn. At this point it's probably best to just believe the opposite of the British public.
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Mar 19, 2017 10:28
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Don't Lol me posted:I don't see it that way. This confirms how most don't even question what they consume as they either don't look at neutral or opposing media to their own opinions or worldview. Do you have a link for the bbc article about how great Theresa may is
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Mar 19, 2017 11:07
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Apart from the polls someone show me a link saying how great the PM is. All i'm getting is stuff like 'head mistress' 'scowling' 'old' 'miserable' 'looks like a seal eating fish' 'old bag oval office' etc
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Mar 19, 2017 11:22
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Theresa May may be an uncharismatic scarecrow of a prime minister but at least she can make the Hard Choices and Tough Decisions
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Mar 19, 2017 11:29
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:Theresa May may be an uncharismatic scarecrow of a prime minister but at least she can make the Hard Choices and Tough Decisions
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Mar 19, 2017 11:38
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Seaside Loafer posted:All i'm getting is stuff like 'head mistress' 'scowling' 'old' 'miserable' 'looks like a seal eating fish' 'old bag oval office' etc
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