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A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

I think this makes sense for most situations but I'm not sure how Stockholm, Manila and Kuala Lumpur (and maybe Tokyo and Kiev) missed out on primate city status on that map, by this definition.
Stockholm city is not twice the size of Gothenburg city, which is presumably the definition the map goes by. If you go by urban area, Stockholm would be though.

Kassad posted:

But in some cases, the urban area is larger than the city's administrative limits. Paris is 2 million people, but the actual urban area is more like 10 million because the suburbs are still independent cities.



You can see how the built-up area is bigger than Paris proper (75 on the map).
True. Urban area would probably be the best measure to use (though that comes down to definitions again), which in the case of Paris is the 10 million you mention vs. the 12 million in the metro area.

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Tei
Feb 19, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

Platystemon posted:



I’m New Zealand.

Internet Explorer: countries where people are scared of new things, or are very conservative, or the official websites only work with IE.

Firefox: countries where people that want something new with a lot of freedom and potential, despite being somewhat a lovely option

Opera: I got this phone, and is still working, but I have found this browser that is much faster. Countries where people is smart and can find new options, but once they have something better, they stop searching. They don't value freedom has much.

Chrome: countries where people have many moneybags to buy a lot of ram, that want flexibility and power (like firefox) but they want it to be cool.

Why is switzerland blue? is a very conservative country? do the government mandate IE for websites?

Germany is insteresting. They have not jumped to chrome, why? they probably already have the ram chrome needs and they will retain most of the freedom firefox give them. Maybe they don't want to jump to chrome because is a downgrade in some particular way that is important to them. Perhaps they will lose some extensions, or the chrome extensions in german language are not has solid.

Too bad we don't have this graphic divide between desktop and browser.

2014: the year a group of scientist with Apple machines visited greenland. I guest scientist in greenland must use governement or universities that require IE. It has to be another thing they count in the harsh things you have to do to live in greenland.

Most counties have evolved IE => Firefox => Chrome. I guest on these countries where the evolution has been IE => Chrome, freedom is not has important, but being cool is important.

Japan needs to kill all elderly people to become a dynamic country again.

Iran going back to IE is interesting. Maybe they had a period of freedom but on the current state theres way less freedom?, or it could be a effect of Windows 10. When the default option is good enough Why change?. Is still weird that after voting for Firefox they would vote for IE. Maybe they don't have the ram for chrome? so It could be a combination of economic and freedom problems.

The china thing. Maybe a lot of chinese are browsing trough tablets and smartphones. None of these are going to use Internet Explorer. Most of them are going to be equiped with Android and be reported with the WebKit engine, so Chrome-like. The clone browsers like that Baidu that has been mentiones, is probably build using chromium, the open source chrome. So is chrome too. China using chrome, means they have a lot of moneybags to buy the ram required.

Tei fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Mar 19, 2017

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


HookShot posted:

Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver, to be more accurate. The Greater Toronto Area has like 6 million people out of a total of 35-ish million in all of Canada.

Well yes, but Toronto would be the primate one, with 9.5m in the metro area according to wiki.

my girlfriend is Legos
Apr 24, 2013

Platystemon posted:



I’m New Zealand.

Doesn't most of Africa usually run Opera in these maps?

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



Antti posted:

I know Finland is a made-up country as part of a complicated scheme to secure Japanese fishing rights, but what's the story with Belgium?

It's an insult with an army and some territory.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Antti posted:

I know Finland is a made-up country as part of a complicated scheme to secure Japanese fishing rights, but what's the story with Belgium?


Look, Germany and France needed a place to fight their wars.

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Tei posted:

Germany is insteresting. They have not jumped to chrome, why? they probably already have the ram chrome needs and they will retain most of the freedom firefox give them. Maybe they don't want to jump to chrome because is a downgrade in some particular way that is important to them. Perhaps they will lose some extensions, or the chrome extensions in german language are not has solid.

It's because they're more concerned about being spied on.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Tei posted:

Opera: I got this phone, and is still working, but I have found this browser that is much faster. Countries where people is smart and can find new options, but once they have something better, they stop searching. They don't value freedom has much.
Actually Opera in Eastern Europe was mostly the real desktop Opera, it was super popular as an alternative to IE before Firefox really took off. It's dead now of course since they ditched the Presto engine for webkit like every other rear end in a top hat. I don't know the real reason for initial popularity, but would guess that people din't mind using the cracked versions without ads.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

Private Speech posted:

Well yes, but Toronto would be the primate one, with 9.5m in the metro area according to wiki.

The GTA has 6 million, the greater Montreal area has 4 million. Therefore, not a primate city.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Platystemon posted:



I’m New Zealand.

I'm diehard Internet Explorer fans Japan, South Korea, and Kosovo.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Private Speech posted:

Well yes, but Toronto would be the primate one, with 9.5m in the metro area according to wiki.

Toronto only hits 9.5 if you include the whole Golden Horseshoe which includes a lot of cities and towns that are definitely outside the Toronto metro area, including another major city, Hamilton (metro population 1.3 million, people from there will get upset if you tell them they're from Toronto).

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

mobby_6kl posted:

Actually Opera in Eastern Europe was mostly the real desktop Opera, it was super popular as an alternative to IE before Firefox really took off. It's dead now of course since they ditched the Presto engine for webkit like every other rear end in a top hat. I don't know the real reason for initial popularity, but would guess that people din't mind using the cracked versions without ads.

Opera the company initially did most of their marketing in Europe, especially Eastern Europe. Netscape also barely marketed or was available there and Microsoft didn't bother to push IE too much there specifically. So Opera was kind of the default other browser that might come with a computer or which you would get on your own.

I've got no explanation for why it was still sticking around there into the late 2000s once Firefox came out though, I guess it could have been plain inertia.

Worth noting that as a whole, in the early years of browsers Opera never really took off globally:

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Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


fishmech posted:

Opera the company initially did most of their marketing in Europe, especially Eastern Europe. Netscape also barely marketed or was available there and Microsoft didn't bother to push IE too much there specifically. So Opera was kind of the default other browser that might come with a computer or which you would get on your own.

I've got no explanation for why it was still sticking around there into the late 2000s once Firefox came out though, I guess it could have been plain inertia.

Worth noting that as a whole, in the early years of browsers Opera never really took off globally:



I thought Opera was pretty cool in the later 2000s, it was one of the first modern browsers to have tabs and individual history and gestures and such. I think I found out about it from SA cca 2008? actually, long before I registered my account here. One feature I still miss is using shift+scrollwheel to scroll through tabs in this list that would pop up. Bit hard to describe but it was really handy and I still can't find anything like that in Chrome (though FF has it I think).

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Mar 19, 2017

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
The dangers of vaping: most of Scotland disappears.

Maxwells Demon
Jan 15, 2007


HookShot posted:

The GTA has 6 million, the greater Montreal area has 4 million. Therefore, not a primate city.

Irregardless, the capital is in Ottawa, which is definitely a different city than Toronto.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

TinTower posted:

The dangers of vaping: most of Scotland disappears.


And a land bridge appears between Kent and Europe.

Is this a UKIP campaign map? "Allow smoking in pubs again or Britain will become part of Continental Europe"

twoday
May 4, 2005



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TinTower posted:

The dangers of vaping: most of Scotland disappears.



Excuse me, but I believe your Dover is in my Waddenzee

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

fishmech posted:

Opera the company initially did most of their marketing in Europe, especially Eastern Europe. Netscape also barely marketed or was available there and Microsoft didn't bother to push IE too much there specifically. So Opera was kind of the default other browser that might come with a computer or which you would get on your own.

I've got no explanation for why it was still sticking around there into the late 2000s once Firefox came out though, I guess it could have been plain inertia.

Worth noting that as a whole, in the early years of browsers Opera never really took off globally:


They stopped embedding ads at some point, and as PS says, it was probably the first browser to behave like a modern one without requiring a ton of plugins. It was also pretty fast and standard compliant for the time too, so I used it until they discontinued v12.x. But yeah, it never really took off.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I still use Opera for a few things that Safari disagrees with because Chrome is hot dog poo poo on MacOS.

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

I'm using Opera to browse the forum right now, works great. Only thing I miss from Firefox is the ability to delete webpages from my history, like if I've had lots of porn tabs open or something. No ads.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/19/empire-20-is-dangerous-nostalgia-for-something-that-never-existed

quote:

Boston public schools map switch aims to amend 500 years of distortion

A district will drop the Mercator projection, which physically diminished Africa and South America, for the Peters, which cut the developed world down to size

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.


A victory for the Organization of Cartographers for Social Equality. (Is it Big Block of Cheese Day again already? Time flies...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA0BLrLW0PE

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The Peters Projection is terrible for several reasons, but most notable here is that, by design, Peters minimises the distortion of shapes at the forty‐fifth parallels.

The tropics get shafted in favour of temperate regions yet again.

At least Mercator isn’t deliberately Euro‐biased.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013


I grew up with this map, and wasn't scarred. It got me thinking about different projections earlier than I otherwise would have, which isn't a harm.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

http://i.imgur.com/U0aNnvi.mp4

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007


I'm completely Christian India.

Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

I'm the Christian Tang dynasty of China.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Ofaloaf posted:

I'm the Christian Tang dynasty of China.

Didn't they have the Nestorians or w/e

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
The three major religions of the modern day, Christianity, Islam, and Communism.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013


That's a neat map, but strange choices of... things to represent. You've got two empires, two religions, and a political ideology. Why these and not others?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Angepain posted:

The three major religions of the modern day, Christianity, Islam, and Communism.
Well the Jews don't recruit and those Eastern ones are pretty much Communism. :freep:

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

I love the way Christianity inexplicably recedes from the far end of Siberia.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I think my favourite part is how the map used like 4 colours and two of them were exactly the same.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

Badger of Basra posted:

Didn't they have the Nestorians or w/e

Yeah, the Nestorian Christians were pretty active in China for about two hundred years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_East_in_China

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe
I am pretty sure that map is saying "Christianity is currently practiced here" rather than "Christianity is the majority religion here." Note Egypt remains a Christian hue under its Muslim hue even as most of the rest of the Islamic world slowly loses their Christian hue.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Patter Song posted:

I am pretty sure that map is saying "Christianity is currently practiced here" rather than "Christianity is the majority religion here." Note Egypt remains a Christian hue under its Muslim hue even as most of the rest of the Islamic world slowly loses their Christian hue.

They're using different standards for Christianity and Islam then. Islam doesn't extend far enough into India (basically all of it has at least some Muslims).

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

I am the inexplicably christian Zoroastrian Persia.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

Jack2142 posted:

I am the inexplicably christian Zoroastrian Persia.

Again, that's the Church of the East.

"The Church of the East, also known as the Nestorian Church, is a Christian church within the Syriac tradition of Eastern Christianity. It was the Christian church of the Sassanian Empire, and quickly spread widely through Asia. Between the 9th and 14th centuries, the Church represented the world's largest Christian church in terms of geographical extent, with dioceses stretching from the Mediterranean Sea to China and India"

It split from the rest of Christianity, partly over theological minutae, but also to avoid being seen as a Roman tool inside Persia.

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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Tei posted:

Firefox: countries where people that want something new with a lot of freedom and potential, despite being somewhat a lovely option

In 2008 Firefox was the only viable option. IE was really bad so people switched and never looked back.

e: I mean OK yeah Opera too but :lol:

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