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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Who would be a better Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn or Baron Corbin?
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Mar 19, 2017 11:55
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If it wasn't for the media I could have been a professional footballer.
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Mar 19, 2017 11:55
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Pissflaps posted:If it wasn't for the media I could have been a professional footballer.
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Mar 19, 2017 11:57
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Seaside Loafer posted:What position? Mostly the journalists but the picture editors weren't kind to him either.
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Mar 19, 2017 11:58
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Seaside Loafer posted:What position? A nuanced one wide on the left wing that only becomes clear once my fans analyse my performance two hours after the match.
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Mar 19, 2017 11:58
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JosephWongKS posted:Who would be a better Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn or Baron Corbin? and which one would have a better Wrestlemania match? Maybe we can convince them to switch?
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Mar 19, 2017 11:59
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Pissflaps posted:A nuanced one wide on the left wing that only becomes clear once my fans analyse my performance two hours after the match.
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Mar 19, 2017 12:01
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Pissflaps posted:A nuanced one wide on the left wing that only becomes clear once my fans analyse my performance two hours after the match. the jozy altidore of left wingers
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Mar 19, 2017 12:22
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Praseodymi posted:And ignore the study the showed the media frequently misreported stories about Corbyn. Sadly, as dumb as the British public can be, you need these things called "votes" in an "election" to gain power. Whining about media bias doesn't cut it.
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Mar 19, 2017 12:34
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Don't Lol me posted:I don't see it that way. This confirms how most don't even question what they consume as they either don't look at neutral or opposing media to their own opinions or worldview. Sort of the point though - when pretty much every side is mostly running negative coverage (or nothing) and giving a platform to infighting or anyone who wants to criticise Corbyn, because that makes for entertaining news, that's pretty much going to define him for the general public You can only see unfair treatment if you already have a different impression to contrast it with, and a lot of people won't really have seen anything else. That's partly Corbyn's fault but it doesn't make the treatment any less unfair or inaccurate Plus it depends on your personal approval - if you don't like someone you're much less likely to be objective and say 'yeah this is unfair treatment'. There's been enough hit pieces (including from within the Labour party trying to sink him) that people think he's an anti-semitic terrorist-lover who wants to destroy Britain's defences and hand over the Falklands etc etc. It's not really surprising people aren't jumping to his defence, if anything it puts his low approval ratings in different light
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Mar 19, 2017 12:36
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He just needs to shout mostly-true bollocks, continually and loudly, its the only thing that works now. Most people would agree with the broad principles. He just isn't very good at that because he is into all this 'we will reach out to the people at the grass roots' poo poo. You could spend a year doing all that then some idiot reads a something in the Sun and its all undone. He isn't good at doing what needs to be done.
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Mar 19, 2017 12:46
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and i must meme posted:Why did Russia and the west decide to hate each other again after the USSR collapsed anyway? The Russian people didn't hang all the chekists from lamp posts or shoot them.
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Mar 19, 2017 12:51
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https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/843426953608749056
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Mar 19, 2017 13:00
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baka kaba posted:Sort of the point though - when pretty much every side is mostly running negative coverage (or nothing) and giving a platform to infighting or anyone who wants to criticise Corbyn, because that makes for entertaining news, that's pretty much going to define him for the general public The infighting and criticism is because he can't get along with his party though, that's on him.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:01
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hakimashou posted:The infighting and criticism is because he can't get along with his party though, that's on him.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:04
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hakimashou posted:The infighting and criticism is because he can't get along with his party though, that's on him. You mean he can't get along with the MPs who declared they were going to oppose him before he was even elected and are sabotaging their own party to do so? Who would have guessed. Crashbee fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 13:12
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It's as if a leader who is unable to command the respect and support of his MPs isn't a good idea. Fancy that.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:13
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A really really clear case for the split in the big tent approach (keep reading the follow on tweets). Sucks to be the rudderless, leaderless centrist rather than the principled motivated left wing, at least until Tony finds a suitable puppet to set up a new group with the Lib Dems.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:15
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Pissflaps is active, must be trying to distract from the fact that Tony Blair was openly praising George Osborne on Marr.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:16
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if you're going to post results from that yougov poll you shouldn't miss out this one
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Mar 19, 2017 13:32
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Gonzo McFee posted:Pissflaps is active, must be trying to distract from the fact that Tony Blair was openly praising George Osborne on Marr. oh do you ahve a link?
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Mar 19, 2017 13:33
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LemonDrizzle posted:if you're going to post results from that yougov poll you shouldn't miss out this one Quite a bit of 'Do you know who this person is/was?' I'm sure.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:34
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LemonDrizzle posted:if you're going to post results from that yougov poll you shouldn't miss out this one 5% of Corbyn voters say Big Tone was their favourite Labour leader?
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Mar 19, 2017 13:38
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LemonDrizzle posted:if you're going to post results from that yougov poll you shouldn't miss out this one That's just loving sad, and I'm beginning to come around to the cult of personality idea about Corbyn fans, because I'm fairly certain even Corbyn doesn't think he's better than Attlee.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:41
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Seaside Loafer posted:Yeah well half the party arent actual socialists though are they so we would prefer the lot of them gone, they might all be able to get along then He has to have the confidence of the actual MPs, not imaginary ones, just like any leader needs the confidence of the people they're trying to lead.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:41
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what's Atlee done for the labour party this century? it's not saying best of all time, it's saying favorite, and they could have up to three.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:42
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If you changed the name of the job to "Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Labour Party" we would never have been in this mess.
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Mar 19, 2017 13:44
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Paxman posted:He has to have the confidence of the actual MPs, not imaginary ones, just like any leader needs the confidence of the people they're trying to lead.
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Mar 19, 2017 14:05
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LemonDrizzle posted:if you're going to post results from that yougov poll you shouldn't miss out this one its me, the corbyn supporter who has drank the kool aid and thinks that Islington jam man jeremy is better then Big Clem
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Mar 19, 2017 14:10
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That's just loving sad, and I'm beginning to come around to the cult of personality idea about Corbyn fans, because I'm fairly certain even Corbyn doesn't think he's better than Attlee. I'd agree there are a fair few rabid fans where he can't do no wrong, but perhaps it's mainly down to the age demographics of those taking the poll?
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Mar 19, 2017 14:14
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Baron Corbyn posted:5% of Corbyn voters say Big Tone was their favourite Labour leader? Blair took Labour out of the post-Thatcher wilderness - never mind that a Dutch wife could have done that - and put them in power for the longest period in the party's history. Also, and this is a horrifying thought, to have voted for a Labour leader pre-Blair you have to be in your 40s. Corbyn is quite popular with younger Labour voters, and party leaders are like the Doctor; your first tends to be your favourite.
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Mar 19, 2017 14:25
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It's not really a shock that Smith voters aren't loyal to Corbyn is it? Owen Smith wasn't an option for them either. This is a stupid chart. Fans fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 14:26
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LemonDrizzle posted:if you're going to post results from that yougov poll you shouldn't miss out this one This is fun but the poll doesn't really show anyone thinks Corbyn is a better leader than Atlee. They're asked to choose three, so I'd guess most Corbyn fans pick him because they support him in the knowledge that they have two choices left for their historic heroes. So everyone picks Corbyn, and then there's some variety in the other choices.
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Mar 19, 2017 14:34
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How can the Tories keep loving up but getting more votes? Aside from Corbyn or anything there who is seeing what's going on and saying "Yep, more of that?" I really want to see a poll which asks why they want to vote tory.
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Mar 19, 2017 14:37
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Taear posted:How can the Tories keep loving up but getting more votes? Aside from Corbyn or anything there who is seeing what's going on and saying "Yep, more of that?" "As a good ol' british chap I want to see a return to the morals and ethics of Victorian times, which means pain and misery for everyone"
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Mar 19, 2017 14:41
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I think people see the Tories make the right decisions and, when there is real opposition, listen and u turn. Labour make the wrong decisions and cling to them like barnacles.
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Mar 19, 2017 14:47
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Taear posted:How can the Tories keep loving up but getting more votes? Aside from Corbyn or anything there who is seeing what's going on and saying "Yep, more of that?" Remember that a lot of it is going to be because UKIP isn't needed any more post-Brexit. Edit: I've just looked through some more electoral data and the comparisons between 2015 vote and who they'd vote for today is pretty interesting for the % sticking with the same for both: SNP 97%, Conservative 82%, Labour and UKIP 79%, Lib Dems 54% (with a major 24% change to Labour). So Labours actions since 2015 don't seem to have actually driven off an unusual amount of people while the Lib Dems are bleeding out. http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
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Mar 19, 2017 14:54
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Breath Ray posted:I think people see the Tories make the right decisions and, when there is real opposition, listen and u turn. Labour make the wrong decisions and cling to them like barnacles. Labour disagrees with the wrong decisions, and then makes a u turn into agreeing with wrong decisions. Taear posted:How can the Tories keep loving up but getting more votes? Aside from Corbyn or anything there who is seeing what's going on and saying "Yep, more of that?" Tories are doing STRONK LEADERSHIP by loving up and making sure we know it was Tories who did the loving up and that it was totally intentional. Labour is just a wet noodle at the moment that goes "oh, uh, we are vaguely against the tory bullshit, but not enough that we would ever have our MPs vote against it".
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Mar 19, 2017 14:55
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I guess when it comes down to it I just can't understand how you could ever go from the Tories right to Labour or the other way around. I know the general public doesn't really think in terms of right and left but it's anathema to me.
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Mar 19, 2017 14:59
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Taear posted:How can the Tories keep loving up but getting more votes? Aside from Corbyn or anything there who is seeing what's going on and saying "Yep, more of that?" Because Labour is an ineffective opposition.
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