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moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream

Covok posted:

It wasn't intentional.

I usually blow off drinking with my fellow associates because I'm afraid of drinking too much and making an rear end of myself, but I felt bad for blowing them off so much that I decided to go this one time. I only intended to have two drinks and leave, but someone convinced me to have some shots with them and I apparently couldn't handle it like they could so I ended up stupid drunk and needing to have a cab take me home. Really, if you think about it, this just confirms I've been right all those times for not going out with them.

Did you drink in college?

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Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Did you drink in college?

Yes, but never at parties. I usually just had drinks with friends over dinner. I have gotten a little too drunk before and I have had whiskey before, but I never blacked out and they occured in my own apartment with people I know as friends and were accidents. I usually keep myself between 2-4 beers at most and while eating and I usually only drink about once or twice a month at most.

I never went to a bar before that day, to be honest.

Covok fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Mar 20, 2017

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream
Yeah dude if you're not experienced in that setting, just stick to beer.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Yeah dude if you're not experienced in that setting, just stick to beer.

To be frank, I think I'd rather not drink ever again. Probably better that way, frankly. Nasty habit.

Hurt Whitey Maybe
Jun 26, 2008

I mean maybe not. Or maybe. Definitely don't kill anyone.
With any luck you'll develop a drinking problem and build a good tolerance for the next time.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump
Never try to keep up with long-time accountants or lawyers unless you're also a borderline alcoholic

Diplomat
Dec 14, 2009


Good Citizen posted:

Never try to keep up with long-time accountants or lawyers unless you're also an borderline alcoholic

People drink some otherworldly amounts of alcohol at work parties.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
Some of the most hardcore alcoholics I have met were in big 4 accounting firms.

Work hard play hard.

Dont know how they survived Mondays

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

apatheticman posted:

Some of the most hardcore alcoholics I have met were in big 4 accounting firms.

Work hard play hard.

Dont know how they survived Mondays

Youth? I mean, despite blacking out, I was fine by 12pm and I neither puked or pissed myself. Both of which were the first things I checked for after waking up to make sure I didn't ruin my clothes.

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream
I blacked out at my big4 going away party and called my manager a "micromanaging motherfucker". Luckily I changed careers and that one never bit me in the rear end. :angel:

Don't black out at work functions. Don't drink if you have a problem controlling yourself in those situations.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

chupacabraTERROR posted:

I blacked out at my big4 going away party and called my manager a "micromanaging motherfucker". Luckily I changed careers and that one never bit me in the rear end. :angel:

Don't black out at work functions. Don't drink if you have a problem controlling yourself in those situations.

It was a learning experience. I didn't know I couldn't control myself in those situations because I never been in them before. Going to avoid them going forward.

Missing Donut
Apr 24, 2003

Trying to lead a middle-aged life. Well, it's either that or drop dead.

St Patrick's Day is the perfect holiday for accountants as it lets everybody blow off some steam after the 3/15 deadline. If nobody gets blackout drunk, then you're working for the wrong firm.

Also, make sure the cab companies in your area are well-staffed on April 18th. Anyone who can make it into work on the 19th isn't a real accountant.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Don't black out at work functions. Don't drink if you have a problem controlling yourself in those situations.

When you have work friends its hard to draw the line between when the work function ends and the after function get together begins, so basically trust no one or make sure your inhibitions are so deep seeded that no amount of alcohol will set them free.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Covok posted:

It wasn't intentional.

I usually blow off drinking with my fellow associates because I'm afraid of drinking too much and making an rear end of myself, but I felt bad for blowing them off so much that I decided to go this one time. I only intended to have two drinks and leave, but someone convinced me to have some shots with them and I apparently couldn't handle it like they could so I ended up stupid drunk and needing to have a cab take me home. Really, if you think about it, this just confirms I've been right all those times for not going out with them.

Let me teach you a phrase that will be super important in life, not just accounting:

"No thanks"

If I'm worried I'm going to get back out drunk, I just don't drink heavily.

All your work gently caress ups just sound like general first year mistakes that are soon forgotten as long as you don't keep doing them.

The two mistakes your making here is a) not getting to know your fellow associates outside of work meaning you will lack a critical informal network of friends and informants and b) when you have gone out with them instead of saying no to shots or whatever (which may, worst case scenario here, temporarily make them think youre a loser) you got super drunk and now that is pretty much going to be remembered forever.

Like the work mistakes are one thing dude but honestly you need to get the balance right on the social side and that's on you.

I always tell people it's super important to socialise with your colleagues and at least show your face at work drinks and stuff. Sure you may not be able to stay the whole night and yeah people might be like "Oh Kitchner never stays out, he has a couple of drinks then goes home" but honestly people appreciate you showing up and trying to get to know people.

If you're ambitious, which everyone should be really, you need to learn to balance between "I never go out because I'm scared I'll get drunk" and "I got wasted and now I'm a laughing stock".

You can do this by being an alcoholic with an iron liver, or you can just, you know, politely decline when someone suggests doing a shot for every review point you got on your last piece of work.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Kitchner posted:

Let me teach you a phrase that will be super important in life, not just accounting:

"No thanks"

If I'm worried I'm going to get back out drunk, I just don't drink heavily.

All your work gently caress ups just sound like general first year mistakes that are soon forgotten as long as you don't keep doing them.

The two mistakes your making here is a) not getting to know your fellow associates outside of work meaning you will lack a critical informal network of friends and informants and b) when you have gone out with them instead of saying no to shots or whatever (which may, worst case scenario here, temporarily make them think youre a loser) you got super drunk and now that is pretty much going to be remembered forever.

Like the work mistakes are one thing dude but honestly you need to get the balance right on the social side and that's on you.

I always tell people it's super important to socialise with your colleagues and at least show your face at work drinks and stuff. Sure you may not be able to stay the whole night and yeah people might be like "Oh Kitchner never stays out, he has a couple of drinks then goes home" but honestly people appreciate you showing up and trying to get to know people.

If you're ambitious, which everyone should be really, you need to learn to balance between "I never go out because I'm scared I'll get drunk" and "I got wasted and now I'm a laughing stock".

You can do this by being an alcoholic with an iron liver, or you can just, you know, politely decline when someone suggests doing a shot for every review point you got on your last piece of work.

I socialize. I just don't go out.

When we don't have work or low on work, I chat up with a lot of the associates around the office and know a lot of them from college anyway. Most people at my level in the office know me on name basis and I share a lot of interests with people around the office.

Some for good reasons, others maybe not the best.

Just finished talking Star Wars with someone who I often play video games with online. Trying to see if, when busy season is over, if my senior manager would want to play Overwatch with me as we are both really into it.

The guy I sit next do I actually met on Grindr before joining the office and almost hosed (total accident; neither of us knew we were going to start working at the same company or who each other worked for). Don't know if it'd be more awkward or less if we actually hosed that night. Strangely, it's not that awkward at all between us so maybe that's moot.'

The list could go on, but I know and am friends with a lot of people around the office.

Just recently got added to a senior manager's list of people to game with because I saw his copy of a popular board game on his desk and nerded out over it. So, now, I'm invited to play it with him and his friends during lunch when it isn't busy season.

I just often don't go out because it takes me about 2hrs to get to the office and 2 hrs to get back so getting drunk or staying out late and missing the trains back is really detrimental to me.

Covok fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Mar 22, 2017

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
That's all cool and good then, I guess my only advice is next time someone suggests shots or anything crazy you just say no.

Lol at meeting someone on grindr and then working together though. Is that not awkward?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Kitchner posted:

That's all cool and good then, I guess my only advice is next time someone suggests shots or anything crazy you just say no.

Lol at meeting someone on grindr and then working together though. Is that not awkward?

It was a little at first, but shockingly has not been an issue. I mean, all we did was go on a date where we walked along a boardwalk and talked. I mean, I wanted to gently caress, but that ended up not happening.

Edit: I mean, don't take me as a perv or a hornball, but I mean it is grindr. Just saying. Wasn't too pushy or weird about it, just the kind of normal, classic walking him back to his house, talking to him at the door, seeing if this lead to a kiss or I'd be invited in kind of thing. Wasn't pushy about it. Meant that "I wanted to gently caress" more in a "internal" sense, not an "external" sense.

Covok fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Mar 22, 2017

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Wait until you're on an audit together late at night and left in a hit stuffy meeting room alone because you senior has something better to do. That's when it will get really awkward.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Kitchner posted:

Wait until you're on an audit together late at night and left in a hit stuffy meeting room alone because you senior has something better to do. That's when it will get really awkward.

I know you work in audit, but I don't think you get how tax works. There isn't a lot of meeting rooms. You usually just work at your desk.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Oh right you're in tax. Probably less of a problem then.

Also internal audit not audit, the distinction is important because I get to put "risk" a lot in my job descriptions :colbert:

Audax
Dec 1, 2005
"LOL U GOT OWNED"
Come on now, us tax folks gently caress too.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Audax posted:

Come on now, us tax folks gently caress too.

I'll believe that when I see it.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
To make it even funnier, we were both assigned for the same client. Literally working with the dude that, only a couple of weeks ago, I was trying to stick my dick in. It's funnier in hindsight and it's more and more surprising that it didn't turn out awkward.

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream
Maybe you're making a lot of mistakes at work because you've been a little.. distracted?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Maybe you're making a lot of mistakes at work because you've been a little.. distracted?

Trust me, when I say I ain't. Dude turned out to be a dunce of the highest order and sitting next to him makes that more and more obvious.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
I once tried to talk to the guy about a show on the British Broadcasting Company and he got nervous and weirded out because he thought I meant the other kind of BBC. Like, that kind of dunce. Or the time I had to explain the concept of a remainder to him in math.

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream

Covok posted:

I once tried to talk to the guy about a show on the British Broadcasting Company and he got nervous and weirded out because he thought I meant the other kind of BBC. Like, that kind of dunce. Or the time I had to explain the concept of a remainder to him in math.

You should take comfort in knowing you're not the worst staff then!

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Covok posted:

I once tried to talk to the guy about a show on the British Broadcasting Company and he got nervous and weirded out because he thought I meant the other kind of BBC. Like, that kind of dunce. Or the time I had to explain the concept of a remainder to him in math.

This is why you shouldn't work with people you met on grindr. I bet if he had never met you before he would assume you meant the BBC TV producers

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Kitchner posted:

This is why you shouldn't work with people you met on grindr. I bet if he had never met you before he would assume you meant the BBC TV producers

I don't know. This guy is as dense as bricks sometimes.

I mean, I really had to sit there and explain once "See, 10 is a symbol that stands for 1 set of integers and 0 additional integers with the set of integers in this case being defined as 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 because we use a base 10 system of mathematics. So, when you're subtracting a number and the 'top' integer is smaller than the 'bottom' integer, you take one value from the place 'before' it to make up the missing values. Thus, turning 7, in this case, into 17 because you took 1 away from the place 'before' it which is 10 times stronger than it or, in other words, one additional set of integers. This allows you to minus the 8 in the ones place of the bottom number from 7 in the ones place of the top number and get the proper answer."

He literally didn't know how to do subtractions without excel.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
I mean not being able to subtract without Excel is pretty dumb but I'll be honest that's the most convuluted way of explaining subtraction I've seen.

Which is sort of irrelevant as I don't see why anyone in an accounting firm should need to have the concept of subtraction explained to them.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Kitchner posted:

I mean not being able to subtract without Excel is pretty dumb but I'll be honest that's the most convuluted way of explaining subtraction I've seen.

Which is sort of irrelevant as I don't see why anyone in an accounting firm should need to have the concept of subtraction explained to them.

I'm an accountant, not a teacher.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Can you really become an accountant without knowing what a remainder is? I've vastly overestimated the amount of math skill this profession requires. Or, I guess, the current state of our education system.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Ainsley McTree posted:

Can you really become an accountant without knowing what a remainder is? I've vastly overestimated the amount of math skill this profession requires. Or, I guess, the current state of our education system.

I'm not sure how either. I mean, a lot of my college professors allowed calculators, but that couldn't be it.

TheShrike
Oct 30, 2010

You mechs may have copper wiring to re-route your fear of pain, but I've got nerves of steel.
You need to chill and stop obsessing

And maybe stop trying to make friends by nerding out over star wars

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Kontradaz posted:

You need to chill and stop obsessing

I mean, that's reasonable. I'll consider what you said...

quote:

And maybe stop trying to make friends by nerding out over star wars

NEVER

Cuban Chowder Factory
Jun 3, 2002
Guy posting in the middle of the drat day during busy season: get back to work.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
So right now I am sick to my teeth of poorly planned audits where the managers have clearly done the bare minimum to throw a terms of reference together and then get pissy when the audit isn't done on time.

For one audit I was told to audit the corporate governance of a charity. So I arranged to meet with their Chairman, and Audit Committee Chair, and Nominations Committee Chair. Each was interviewed with a set of standardised questions tailored to the scope of the audit. I went through 12 months of meeting minutes and agenda. I read the terms of reference for each of those committees and reviewed the self assessment forms they were introducing for the board.

I get to the draft report stage and I get it sent back. The manager says he can see no evidence of where I have compared their governance structure and activities to a specific advisory code as it said we would in the terms of reference. The manager never mentioned this during the briefing or highlighted that it was a piece of work he wanted done, but it was there on the ToR.

So I do the loving comparison, against all 88 recommended practices, and they are mostly conforming and it didn't change the report in any way.

I tell the manager sorry it took so long, but the code is pretty long as you know. No word of a lie the manager says "Oh is it? I'm not familiar with that code".

Hey dipshit, how did you know 5 days was sufficient budget to do the work for the audit when you don't even know how long the code I was supposed to be comparing it to was?

Or how about the audit I'm on now, which is supposed to be assessing a quality framework for a college, but they just have a poo poo stratgey document that just basically says: here's a bullet point list of things we do.

But they actually do a lot of stuff, so much stuff in fact there's no way I could look at it all in the 4 days budget i have.

Not only that, but it's been arranged at a time everyone is super busy performing quality meetings, which requires the members of management I am supposed to be dealing with.

Gaaaah. Honestly it's pissing me off so much.

I had a job interview for a pretty sweet job today though back in industry. It would be fantastic to get it but I think I'm one of the first to interview and there are like 4 more interviews to be held next week, followed by a second round of interviews. Its for a massive global company (revenue world wide of like £40bn) so I'm guessing it's going to be competitive.

Fingers crossed though.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
On hold on the phone to get assistance with tax software. I expect my waiting time to be between the heat death of the universe and infinity.

Hurt Whitey Maybe
Jun 26, 2008

I mean maybe not. Or maybe. Definitely don't kill anyone.
How about you grow some hair on your chest and get back to us when you've gotten a courtesy disconnect after being on hold with the IRS for two hours.

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PatMarshall
Apr 6, 2009

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

How about you grow some hair on your chest and get back to us when you've gotten a courtesy disconnect after being on hold with the IRS for two hours.

Haha that shits the worst. I used to have to get EINs over the phone for foreign entities and there's a one entity per day rule which means I'd have to spend an hour or two on hold, read through the ss-4 with the agent, then hang up and do it again. The courtesy disconnect was just a kick in the teeth.

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