Animation Thread 2017: "These Movies don't cater to the 25-40 demographic"

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Macaluso: Sep 23, 2005; I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Hedrigall posted:

Janelle Monae would have been the perfect Belle.

Yeah she's like 30 but so is Emma Watson, almost. And Janelle can loving sing!

This would be awesome

# ? Mar 21, 2017 02:47

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# ? May 15, 2024 17:21

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
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But the children like Harry Potters and it makes the money like the Harry Potters? This is most important!

# ? Mar 21, 2017 03:09

Hedrigall: Mar 27, 2008; by vyelkin

Das Boo posted:

But the children like Harry Potters and it makes the money like the Harry Potters? This is most important!

Breaking: Rupert Grint cast as Aladdin

# ? Mar 21, 2017 03:16

Aces High: Mar 26, 2010; Nah! A little chocolate will do

I dunno, he's more "rough in the diamond"

# ? Mar 21, 2017 03:35

CeallaSo: May 3, 2013; Wisdom from a Fool

Just got back from seeing it, but mostly I'll be echoing what has already been said. Autotune was distracting (every time it came up but really especially with Belle) and some of the character effects looked really stiff and weird. Most of the new stuff I actually liked; Gaston trying to butter Maurice up but getting sick of playing into the farce and tying him to the tree was pretty good, and I felt like it had a more natural flow than how events played out in the original film. But they had considerably more time to get these ideas across, so they could throw in things like that. Oh and the costumes were terrible. Just, really bad. I knew going in that the ball gown was going to be a disappointment, but I didn't expect that to be a throughline for the entire film.

Overall I would say that while it isn't as good as the original animated feature, it's still a good movie. You're probably not going to take away anything new from the experience but it's worth a watch if you've got nothing better to do.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 04:36

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
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Man, I would kill to see a movie where Belle uses her inventor's prowess to solve that bullshit magic curse. It'd be Something Ricked This Way Comes. You could even end it the same way.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 04:45

CRINDY: Sep 23, 2010; forget about ur worries and ur strife

The irony of Emma Watson turning down La La Land, where the actors' inability to naturally sing perfectly was a part of the movie's charm (or at least was sold that way), to take Beauty, where there's no room for error and the fans tear the Autotune to shreds.

I'd argue she made the right call, as BatB was a surefire moneymaker while the other was risky - I'm pretty sure La La Land with Miles Teller and Emma Watson doesn't win six Oscars - but it's funny how things work out.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 04:57

Guy Mann: Mar 28, 2016; by Lowtax

I haven't seen BatB 2017 nor do I particularly care to but in general when something is obviously autotuned it's a stylistic choice because we've been able to seamleasly sweeten singing voices to an unrecognizable degree for decades now.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 05:08

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
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So I remember in Waking Sleeping Beauty, Jodi Benson was being instructed on Part of Your World and was told "hitting the right key comes second to hitting the emotion" or such. I feel like I might know the answer from what I've seen, but does Watson at least emote her singing?

# ? Mar 21, 2017 05:19

CeallaSo: May 3, 2013; Wisdom from a Fool

Das Boo posted:

So I remember in Waking Sleeping Beauty, Jodi Benson was being instructed on Part of Your World and was told "hitting the right key comes second to hitting the emotion" or such. I feel like I might know the answer from what I've seen, but does Watson at least emote her singing?

Not only does she fail to convey a sense of emotion through song, she also sort of blandly emotes pretty much everything else in the movie. My thought coming away was that she was an okay-but-not-stellar choice as Belle in an acting role and a dreadful choice as the singing voice of Belle.

Guy Mann posted:

I haven't seen BatB 2017 nor do I particularly care to but in general when something is obviously autotuned it's a stylistic choice because we've been able to seamleasly sweeten singing voices to an unrecognizable degree for decades now.

It's definitely not a stylistic choice here, because it only occurs in cases where the singer couldn't hit the notes on their own. The villagers were all fine, for instance.

Actually, I remember thinking during Belle's introduction song that she really does stand out as different from the rest of the village, but absolutely not in a good way. And before anyone suggests that as being motivation behind the heavy autotuning, she's not the only one who gets it that bad.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 06:02

Alan_Shore: Dec 2, 2004

Emma Watson was a bad choice. I don't know why they went with her, surely not for added box office cos this movie was making bank regardless. I'm getting real sick of crewing your musicals with people who can't carry a tune.

I'm not sure who the best Belle was, but I would have liked Allison Brie.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 06:19

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

CRINDY posted:

The irony of Emma Watson turning down La La Land, where the actors' inability to naturally sing perfectly was a part of the movie's charm (or at least was sold that way), to take Beauty, where there's no room for error and the fans tear the Autotune to shreds.

I'd argue she made the right call, as BatB was a surefire moneymaker while the other was risky - I'm pretty sure La La Land with Miles Teller and Emma Watson doesn't win six Oscars - but it's funny how things work out.

I'd like everyone in this thread to take a moment and imagine Ryan Gosling's character in La La Land, who everyone had issue with for being really obnoxious about jazz and not the greatest singer, and replacing that with Miles Teller, who exudes a level of unlikability and smarm that is second to none in Hollywood.

Like, Ryan Gosling is charming, and replacing him with Miles Teller would have made that movie many degrees worse, regardless of whether you like it as it is. And I like Miles Teller, in the right role.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 06:28

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

Alan_Shore posted:

Emma Watson was a bad choice. I don't know why they went with her, surely not for added box office cos this movie was making bank regardless. I'm getting real sick of crewing your musicals with people who can't carry a tune.

I'm not sure who the best Belle was, but I would have liked Allison Brie.

They can't because that episode of Community where she's in love with a vampire that literally makes fun of the exact content of BatB.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 06:34

Alan_Shore: Dec 2, 2004

Pick posted:

They can't because that episode of Community where she's in love with a vampire that literally makes fun of the exact content of BatB.

Wait!

Teach me to read!

# ? Mar 21, 2017 06:49

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

Alan_Shore posted:

Wait!

Teach me to read!

I used to dislike that moment in the Special Edition of BatB, but after that episode I just cannot stand it. It's too on-point.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 06:53

Aces High: Mar 26, 2010; Nah! A little chocolate will do

DC Murderverse posted:

I'd like everyone in this thread to take a moment and imagine Ryan Gosling's character in La La Land, who everyone had issue with for being really obnoxious about jazz and not the greatest singer, and replacing that with Miles Teller, who exudes a level of unlikability and smarm that is second to none in Hollywood.

Like, Ryan Gosling is charming, and replacing him with Miles Teller would have made that movie many degrees worse, regardless of whether you like it as it is. And I like Miles Teller, in the right role.

man, I can't see La La Land being as adored if that were the case, you take Gosling out and put an actor that can really ooze the snobbishness in his place and yowch. Maybe you'd still get the Oscar buzz but I dunno. And I like Miles Teller too, his casting in Whiplash made that movie.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 08:13

Avshalom: Feb 14, 2012; by Lowtax

Hedrigall posted:

Breaking: Rupert Grint cast as Mulan

# ? Mar 21, 2017 08:43

Samuel Clemens: Oct 4, 2013; I think we should call the Avengers.

Alan_Shore posted:

Emma Watson was a bad choice. I don't know why they went with her, surely not for added box office cos this movie was making bank regardless. I'm getting real sick of crewing your musicals with people who can't carry a tune.

I'm not sure who the best Belle was, but I would have liked Allison Brie.

There's a difference between "making bank" and "earning enough money to buy a small country", and Allison Brie doesn't have the star power for the latter.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 11:56

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Alison Brie is also 8 years older than Emma Watson

# ? Mar 21, 2017 12:03

teagone: Jun 10, 2003; That was pretty intense, huh?

Emmy Rossum would have been a superior Belle imo. She can belt out a proper tune.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:11

TheBigBudgetSequel: Nov 25, 2008; It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.

Counterpoint: Besides her singing (which I really don't mind either, it's not great, but whatever) Watson was wonderful as Belle. I thought the character really shined in her hands, and since she actually doesn't have all that many solo moment singing, I can tolerate her over-produced singing voice.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:15

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Hedrigall posted:

Janelle Monae would have been the perfect Belle.

Yeah she's like 30 but so is Emma Watson, almost. And Janelle can loving sing!

man now I'm just gonna be bitter forever there isn't gonna be a Cybeauty and the Dance Beast

# ? Mar 21, 2017 17:48

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Hedrigall posted:

Janelle Monae would have been the perfect Belle.

Yeah she's like 30 but so is Emma Watson, almost. And Janelle can loving sing!

Monae is amazing, and I would have been there Day One when it came out. :allears:

# ? Mar 21, 2017 19:42

21 Muns: Dec 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

So when are we going to start getting live-action remakes of Pixar movies? :barf:

# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:00

Shadow Hog: Feb 23, 2014; Avatar by Jon Davies

21 Muns posted:

So when are we going to start getting live-action remakes of Pixar movies?

The Incredibles could sorta work in live-action.

I don't actively want that, mind, just it could work if we had to.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:07

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

I don't know guys, I feel like a live action A Bug's Life could be pretty good.

Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 21, 2017

# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:14

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

Live action Toy Story. :ironicat:

# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:15

21 Muns: Dec 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

Das Boo posted:

Live action Toy Story.

They're doing Live Action Lion King, so anything's possible.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:20

Hemingway To Go!: Nov 10, 2008; im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
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Das Boo posted:

Live action Toy Story.

# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:21

Hedrigall: Mar 27, 2008; by vyelkin

Live action Up would... kinda work?

Live action Cars :shepface:

# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:24

Hemingway To Go!: Nov 10, 2008; im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway