Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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Jeremy Corbyn | 95 | 18.63% | |
Dennis Skinner | 53 | 10.39% | |
Angus Robertson | 20 | 3.92% | |
Tim Farron | 9 | 1.76% | |
Paul Ukips | 7 | 1.37% | |
Robot Lenin | 105 | 20.59% | |
Tony Blair | 28 | 5.49% | |
Pissflaps | 193 | 37.84% | |
Total: | 510 votes |
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think you can hold up Scotland as an example of left wing politics being preferred over those of the centre left. Nobody did that? Edit: 10/09/2001. Nothing of note happened that day. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Nobody did that? Then in what way did New Labour alienate Scotland? If it's the referendum campaign, Corbyn himself is anti independence.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:04 |
The Iraq War, for one.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:08 |
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Labour won 41 seats in Scotland in 2005.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:11 |
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Pissflaps posted:Then in what way did New Labour alienate Scotland? This happened way before the referendum. New Labour took Scottish votes completely for granted whilst they pandered to English swing seats and the SNP had double digit swings in their favour in the 2007 and 2011 Holyrood elections. The referendum was just the last straw to break what had become a tactical vote for Labour in Westminster.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:12 |
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Lord of the Llamas posted:This happened way before the referendum. I can see the logic in this, though your comment about swings is effect rather than cause. This is what's happening in the North of England now.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:14 |
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George Galloway is standing for Manchester Gorton.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:18 |
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Well that's a good sign they won't let him back in Labour after all
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:20 |
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I think there is some merit in the Labour Party embracing some sort of patriotism, people love that poo poo
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:20 |
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Some rightious fire being spat in the FT today:Janan Ganesh posted:There are medical students who glide through every stage of their training bar the bedside manner. They know the human body and its processes but cannot manage patient expectations or break bad news.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:21 |
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If anyone feels like doing some wallet-based clicktivism, the lawyer who ran one wing of the case to force a parliamentary vote on the declaration of Article 50 is now crowdfunding a case against Uber, aiming to make them pay their VAT: https://www.crowdjustice.org/case/uber/
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:23 |
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:I think there is some merit in the Labour Party embracing some sort of patriotism, people love that poo poo flegs you say
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:23 |
The over spill and eventual legitimacy and legality arguments in regard to the Iraq War; the over cosy nature of Blair and his cronies toward a volatile and neo-conservative America; the general hubris and corruption of the Labour government, and McConnell's weak leadership and constant deferring of decision making back down to Westminster, eventually led to the collapse of support in Labour and the gradual rise of the SNP.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:24 |
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I bought some stuff from the Repeal The 8th campaign yesterday. Good cause.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:24 |
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:I think there is some merit in the Labour Party embracing some sort of patriotism, people love that poo poo Nationalism is a disease.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:26 |
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WMain00 posted:The over spill and eventual legitimacy and legality arguments in regard to the Iraq War; the over cosy nature of Blair and his cronies toward a volatile and neo-conservative America; the general hubris and corruption of the Labour government, and McConnell's weak leadership and constant deferring of decision making back down to Westminster, eventually led to the collapse of support in Labour and the gradual rise of the SNP. These feel more like your pet grievances - i'd welcome any data to the contrary of course.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:27 |
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Miftan posted:Nationalism is a disease. Indeed.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:28 |
Pissflaps posted:These feel more like your pet grievances - i'd welcome any data to the contrary of course. http://www.institute-of-governance.ed.ac.uk/publications/working_papers/election_2007_devolution_come_of_age quote:With the Union anniversary looming, a peculiar double-decker argument evolved - on the upper deck the debate about the Union and Scottish independence; on the lower deck the issues of devolved governance. Labour concentrated the big guns on the upper deck - repeating the mantra of 'divorce is expensive' which had been successful in 1999 and 2003. What they did not fully grasp was that (a) the SNP had mastered the double-decker argument, taking the sting out of the independence issue by promising a separate referendum (and thus decoupling the issues of devolved government from the issue of independence), while at the same time playing on the unpopular reserved issues like the Iraq war, the replacement of Trident, Gordon Brown's role in the pensions crisis, and Blair's cash for peerages scandal, and (b) that an independence referendum and the transfer of taxation powers from Westminster to Holyrood ranked seventeenth and twenty-first among twenty-five policy issues in an ICM poll for the BBC at the beginning of the campaign, way behind schools and hospitals, crime, farming and fishing10. While the SNP seemed to have taken aboard the fact that the election was about what almost all elections are about, viz. should the existing government be thrown out because it had outstayed its welcome. And Labour, having been in power at Westminster since 1997, and in the driving seat at Holyrood since 1999 (and in hegemony in Scotland since the late 1950s), was widely perceived as having been there too long for a healthy democracy. The SNP threw a plethora of attractive - if uncosted - promises into the battle: scrapping the graduate endowment tax, wiping out student debt, replacing the "unfair council tax" by a local income tax (the only dominant domestic theme in the elections), more teachers, smaller class sizes, more policemen, reduced business rates, abolition of road and bridge tolls. My general feelings aside, the conclusion was that Labour had been in control of Scotland for far too long and its general malaise and lackadaisical attitude toward Scottish affairs was its downfall, whether unintentionally or by the SNP targeting key areas and pointing out their weaknesses. Coupled with what was going in Westminster and McConnell's reluctance to extend devolved powers, Scottish Labour had an uphill struggle.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:50 |
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I can pretty easily see Corbyn making a play for the nationalist vote by the end of the year. A worker's nationalism. A socialist nationalism, if you will.
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WMain00 posted:http://www.institute-of-governance.ed.ac.uk/publications/working_papers/election_2007_devolution_come_of_age Ah, so it's Corbyn's fault then.
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Fangz posted:I can pretty easily see Corbyn making a play for the nationalist vote by the end of the year. A worker's nationalism. A socialist nationalism, if you will. A Nationalist Socialist Workers Party maybe?
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WMain00 posted:My general feelings aside, the conclusion was that Labour had been in control of Scotland for far too long and its general malaise and lackadaisical attitude toward Scottish affairs was its downfall, whether unintentionally or by the SNP targeting key areas and pointing out their weaknesses. Coupled with what was going in Westminster and McConnell's reluctance to extend devolved powers, Scottish Labour had an uphill struggle. Sure, did you not hear the story about some Scottish Labour sorts scoffing at their English counterparts for having to actually campaign (!) for their seats? Fangz posted:I can pretty easily see Corbyn making a play for the nationalist vote by the end of the year. A worker's nationalism. A socialist nationalism, if you will. "We've got to have this thing over here whatever it costs … We've got to have the bloody Union Jack flying on top of it."
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 13:57 |
There only one flag Corbyn wants to fly, and it's the red one. Everyone knows this. He will look incredibly weird holding an english flag like it's a bit of dog poo poo on the end of a stick that he's chasing working class tories with because he fancies them but doesn't know how to express it.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:02 |
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WMain00 posted:A Nationalist Socialist Workers Party maybe? To compare Corbyn to the Nazis is ridiculous. He offers a change from the last few governments, a radical departure from failed policies, a sort of Alternative for Britain if you will.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:06 |
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Jose posted:why are you banned from the black people subforum? No idea. Maybe I cluelessly said some bad poo poo, maybe they're randomly throwing in posters as part of the 'sundown town' experience they're simulating as part of the current forum game.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:07 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:If anyone feels like doing some wallet-based clicktivism, the lawyer who ran one wing of the case to force a parliamentary vote on the declaration of Article 50 is now crowdfunding a case against Uber, aiming to make them pay their VAT: https://www.crowdjustice.org/case/uber/ Jo Maugham is such a good egg
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:07 |
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Ed Milidands tentative tiptopes into "patriotism" where horrifically cringe worthy, I doubt Corbyn would be more successful
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:09 |
big scary monsters posted:To compare Corbyn to the Nazis is ridiculous. He offers a change from the last few governments, a radical departure from failed policies, a sort of Alternative for Britain if you will. Sorry I wasn't comparing Corbyn to the Nazis, I was just laughing at the possible naming options.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:13 |
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vodkat posted:At every stage, they overpromise. At every stage, reality finds them out. At every stage, they spin the new bottom-line as something they half-expected all along and as nothing to fear. If the sun melted the northern hemisphere, they would hope to finesse these isles out of the generalised inferno with a bespoke deal. This is the kind of confidence that arouses the opposite of confidence in others. It is the confidence of a lost tour guide who cannot be seen to scrutinise a map in front of paying holidaymakers. Whenever I come from reading an article by an informed individual, a diplomat or an experienced trade negotiator about how insanely complicated and difficult Brexit is going to be and then see these characters and their naive, blind optimism that it's all going to be just fine, I get the same feeling of cold dread in my stomach that I had the day after the referendum.
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Darth Walrus posted:No idea. Maybe I cluelessly said some bad poo poo, maybe they're randomly throwing in posters as part of the 'sundown town' experience they're simulating as part of the current forum game. thats a shame i was hoping you'd done something fun rather than it just being the insane mod
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:14 |
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WMain00 posted:Sorry I wasn't comparing Corbyn to the Nazis, I was just laughing at the possible naming options. So was he.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:15 |
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The next labour leader needs to be a white van man who loves a pint and has the English flag tattooed on his one rear end cheek and her majesty the Queen on the other
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:17 |
Crap I fell into that one.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:18 |
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jBrereton posted:holding an english flag like it's a bit of dog poo poo on the end of a stick
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:22 |
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Guavanaut posted:There's no official flag rules for any of the British flags, but I believe that is the correct method to display the George Cross by convention. That, or off the aerial of a white transit van. To be ceremonially correct the rust should be thicker on the right-front wheel arch.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:28 |
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That study is genuinely very interesting. One or two of the conclusions are a bit tenuous/not supported by the quantitative data also included in the study (thinking about the "expectations are sky-high" here, the 'sky-high' expectations for brexit are, uhh, 5.0 out of 10 from leavers that it'll be a good deal? [2.8 from remainers], then again maybe it doesn't reflect the same thing - good deal != bright future outside the EU). It's also really depressing.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:29 |
Describe how you feel about white vans in 3 emojis or less
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:30 |
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jBrereton posted:Describe how you feel about white vans in 3 emojis or less :whitevan: :whitevan: :whitevan:
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:35 |
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Re: Galloway deciding to run in Gorton, I note that he seems to have teamed up with Arron Banks, or at least is moving towards that. Could look good on a Labour poster, I suppose. "GALLOWAY IN THE POCKET OF BIG BANKS"
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 14:36 |
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jBrereton posted:Describe how you feel about white vans in 3 emojis or less I don't know the emojis for those three but I think one is the eggplant one. Alternative answer: The Sun 🌞📰
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