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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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I've heard a lot of stuff about Corbyn not supporting "The English" from people. I notice VERY few people around me refer to themselves as British now too, the same goes for when you're door knocking. It was definitely more of a thing in Stoke than in Copeland. Dunno what you can really do about that. Nationalism is a disease. I've always considered myself European above all else so I guess my identity is buggered either way.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:39
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Wheat Loaf posted:Re: Galloway deciding to run in Gorton, I note that he seems to have teamed up with Arron Banks, or at least is moving towards that.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:44
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Taear posted:I notice VERY few people around me refer to themselves as British now too, the same goes for when you're door knocking.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:46
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jBrereton posted:Alternatively just let his carpetbagging narcissism speak for itself and don't give the Respect Party (George Galloway) (George Galloway party) the oxygen of publicity. Good idea  Oh.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:48
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I don't really think too much about national identity. I would rather we stayed in the UK but I don't think that necessarily means I feel more British than Irish or even Northern Irish. I suppose I am mainly Northern Irish in the sense that I am primarily concerned with what the best arrangement for Northern Ireland would be, whether it's in Ireland or the UK, but I don't know what "Northern Irishness" is as a distinct identity and I'm not sure anyone else does. Perhaps the defining characteristic of Northern Irishness is arguing over whether it means you're British or Irish.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:49
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not racist but they allow Asians and Muslims and Welsh and the western coastal province of Canada to call themselves British noways it's all gone mental where's our English Entertainment Television? Hah Welsh national identity. I always found funny how calling them sheep-shaggers is somehow less offensive than calling the Irish potatoes. I mean I get why, but still. (also Chrome doesn't even tell you to capitalise welsh like it does other nationalities  )
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Mar 21, 2017 14:51
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Pissflaps posted:Good idea
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Mar 21, 2017 14:51
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Pissflaps posted:Good idea Big message here on being a dumbass
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Mar 21, 2017 14:53
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I wonder if this is just a promotional stunt for Galloway's forthcoming children's book Gorton Hears A Coup?
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Mar 21, 2017 14:53
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't really think too much about national identity. I would rather we stayed in the UK but I don't think that necessarily means I feel more British than Irish or even Northern Irish. I suppose I am mainly Northern Irish in the sense that I am primarily concerned with what the best arrangement for Northern Ireland would be, whether it's in Ireland or the UK, but I don't know what "Northern Irishness" is as a distinct identity and I'm not sure anyone else does. Like as a post GFA "yeah okay whatever we have to live out our days here" type affair. Not based there but this is my perception of it knowing a few people who use it as opposed to outward British/Irish self-identification jBrereton fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Mar 21, 2017 14:56
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jBrereton posted:Northern Irishness as a seperate identity all of its own seems to be a thing middle class 20somethings are going in for in a big way? I think that's a fair enough assessment.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:00
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/844103178501214209 I feel like the nuance of this will be appreciated by the voters of this country.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:20
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Taear posted:I've heard a lot of stuff about Corbyn not supporting "The English" from people. I notice VERY few people around me refer to themselves as British now too, the same goes for when you're door knocking. It was definitely more of a thing in Stoke than in Copeland. Yes, this is especially terrifying since things like facts, proof, evidence and living in reality doesn't matter to these people. In their minds 'anti English' sentiment is the most dominant form of prejudice in the UK, the government is trying to destroy 'English identity' and Corbyn is an English hating foreigner lover. It feels like nothing you can do or say will disuade people from this nonsense...
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Mar 21, 2017 15:19
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To go off track, if you'll recall the murder of a Polish man in Harlow last year, on Saturday a large mural by a Polish artist was unveiled there, in an attempt to build positive relations in the area. Naturally within hours it had been vandalised. "We are all in the same boat" indeed.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:20
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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jBrereton posted:I feel like the nuance of this will be appreciated by the voters of this country. https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/844119410440847361 Quite.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:21
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jBrereton posted:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/844103178501214209 Bloody hard lefty craziness. https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/844133976172244992
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Mar 21, 2017 15:24
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What the IRA did is wrong but we killed far more many Irish, including children, during our occupation of Ireland. The fact that people in this country only care about the BRITISH victims (because only Brits matter) and won't acknowledge the criminal past of their country sickens me. Cunts, the lot of them.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:27
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jBrereton posted:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/844103178501214209 You mean the same thing that every other major political figure, including Theresa May, has been saying?
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Mar 21, 2017 15:31
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Pantsuit posted:What the IRA did is wrong but we killed far more many Irish, including children, during our occupation of Ireland. The fact that people in this country only care about the BRITISH victims (because only Brits matter) and won't acknowledge the criminal past of their country sickens me. Cunts, the lot of them.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:31
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Corbyn's tweet has probably been disarmed by similar statements from May:quote:Mrs May said: "First and foremost, my thoughts are with the family of Martin McGuinness at this sad time.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:32
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jBrereton posted:You're presumably a British person who cares about all those involved, and I don't think you're that unique. Of course not. It just makes me angry when people completely erase our countries violence in Ireland, that's all. Not to mention Unionist groups such as the UVF, funnily enough they don't seem to draw the same condemnation
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Mar 21, 2017 15:44
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Bloody hard lefty craziness. 
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Mar 21, 2017 16:02
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Pantsuit posted:What the IRA did is wrong but we killed far more many Irish, including children, during our occupation of Ireland. The fact that people in this country only care about the BRITISH victims (because only Brits matter) and won't acknowledge the criminal past of their country sickens me. Cunts, the lot of them. See: every mention of the Irish "Famine" ever. Ho ho ho what a shame those dumb poo poo drunken Irish couldn't grow their potatoes and a million people died, nothing to do with the glorious British Empire no sirree...
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Mar 21, 2017 16:06
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Pantsuit posted:Of course not. It just makes me angry when people completely erase our countries violence in Ireland, that's all. Not to mention Unionist groups such as the UVF, funnily enough they don't seem to draw the same condemnation UVF were the only loyalist terrorist group who managed to pull off a big attack in the Republic when they detonated bombs in Dublin and Monaghan in 1974, but they didn't tend to blow much stuff up on the mainland so there's not too much cause for people in Britain to think about them.
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Mar 21, 2017 16:07
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WeAreTheRomans posted:See: every mention of the Irish "Famine" ever. Ho ho ho what a shame those dumb poo poo drunken Irish couldn't grow their potatoes and a million people died, nothing to do with the glorious British Empire no sirree... I think people might connect more with a shopping centre being blown up 20 years ago than a Victoria era famine.
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Mar 21, 2017 16:09
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Pissflaps posted:I think people might connect more with a shopping centre being blown up 20 years ago than a Victoria era famine. I believe most of the people who died in the Famine weren't even IRA members though 
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Mar 21, 2017 16:16
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I keep getting phoned and texted about the Gorton by-election. Tried to google some of the candidates' policies, none of them loving got one. Even Khan, who has a decent enough website (and called me personally) tells me who he is, where he's from, but not what he wants. I've got his financial statements from the European Parliaments, but I have no idea what he or any others from the clown car want. Am I misunderstanding the purpose of an MP, or is that kind of a dumb thing that none of them has a list of... "Climate: needs protecting by doing X. Economy: Tories are stupid, we need devolved budgets to limit the damage/need to raise taxes/need to use Excalibur to summon the Isle of Fairies and sell fairy gold to the EU" sort of thing? Like, I'm not opposed to do some research in order to get informed but other than Guido Fawkes telling me Khan is totally a nazi because he criticised Israel... There's gently caress all I can find.
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Mar 21, 2017 16:22
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MPs generally follow the party line, they don't have individual manifestos typically AIUI.
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Mar 21, 2017 16:37
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Then how do I choose one from the bunch, if they're all carefully tailored to have.. no personality other than Politics(r) Brand Natural Human Warmth (no artificial colours). Khan's the one who appears to have been consistently keeping up with people, reporting what he's doing and requesting information and doing something resembling data-driven policy... but "I know this one!" seems like a bad way of picking your representative. I want to base my decisions on facts, not feelings.
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Mar 21, 2017 16:45
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If you want a candidate that stands out then look no further than George Galloway.
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Mar 21, 2017 16:49
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I would suggest voting against the tories would be sensible but I'm afraid there's not much you can do if all the candidates are poo poo in an indirect democracy, other than drawing a big spunking cock on the ballot. (as always don't do this if UKIP is standing, counts as clear preference)
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Mar 21, 2017 16:51
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Unless you have particularly strong feelings about any one candidate, vote for the party, not the candidate.
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Mar 21, 2017 16:56
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Lunar Suite posted:Then how do I choose one from the bunch, if they're all carefully tailored to have.. no personality other than Politics(r) Brand Natural Human Warmth (no artificial colours). The constituency party will have organised at least one hustings meeting too. Although if you've only recently joined that advice might be no use to you. But "I am not qualified to make this decision" is as good a reason as any to abstain. Individual MPs don't have power to enact their own policy, and since they'll be taking the party whip they've very limited scope to assert their own positions on the major issues, like your devolved budgets example. A detailed policy manifesto would probably be quite pointless.
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Mar 21, 2017 16:58
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Lunar Suite posted:I keep getting phoned and texted about the Gorton by-election. Tried to google some of the candidates' policies, none of them loving got one. Even Khan, who has a decent enough website (and called me personally) tells me who he is, where he's from, but not what he wants. I've got his financial statements from the European Parliaments, but I have no idea what he or any others from the clown car want. Guido's now calling them Khomenists which is hilarious wordplay and his usual brand of bullshit. He's a fat white tory hack who needs lynching. Khan is the MEP and most experienced of the lot. Yasmine Dar is backed by momentum and the only corbyn supporter. Luthfer Rahman isn't *that* Luthfer Rahman, he's the one who attacks people in mosques. Very right wing, dumb as all gently caress. Lone didn't make the final cut to run in Morecambe, Ali is a stalking horse who appears to have deleted his twitter (or I've lost it). It's basically Khan (massive favourite, right wing for labour without punching people in mosques, loves CETA/TTIP) vs Dar (only corbyn supporter).
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Mar 21, 2017 16:59
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Spangly A posted:a fat white tory hack who needs lynching.
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Mar 21, 2017 17:06
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Spangly A posted:Guido's now calling them Khomenists which is hilarious wordplay and his usual brand of bullshit. He's a fat white tory hack who needs lynching. Piss, I liked Khan. How right wing are we talking? Any Pros on Dar? Thanks for everyone's input, I've been shamefully out of touch with local politics. e: Just got called again, hustings are tomorrow. Lunar Suite fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Mar 21, 2017 17:06
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Lunar Suite posted:Piss, I liked Khan. How right wing are we talking? He's your standard new labour third way economic liberal. Not a particularily terrible one, but if you aren't concerned with the corbyn stuff then his biggest problem is CETA/TTIP and they don't matter anymore. Beyond that he has a good CV of working on muslim community issues in the EU with left and centre left groups. If he was a socialist I'd vote for him. Yasmine Dar is a social worker who's worked for Rethink and independent police advice boards (lol). Her CV is impressive but it's not political and I can't find poo poo on her policy positions. 2017 is grand.
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Mar 21, 2017 17:13
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WeAreTheRomans posted:See: every mention of the Irish "Famine" ever. Ho ho ho what a shame those dumb poo poo drunken Irish couldn't grow their potatoes and a million people died, nothing to do with the glorious British Empire no sirree... I would think most people haven't got any clue at all about what happened in Ireland. Or in India. Or anything beyond maybe the last 50 years of history - and even then it's only shaky. Again goon Alanbstard was saying that it's very hard to teach people how the German Parliament worked when they don't even know how it works HERE at the moment. And nor do their parents.
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Mar 21, 2017 17:34
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Fangz posted:Unless you have particularly strong feelings about any one candidate, vote for the party, not the candidate. Sounds like a solid strategy given that he's talking about the Labour candidate selection process and not the by-election itself.
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Taear posted:I would think most people haven't got any clue at all about what happened in Ireland. Or in India. Or anything beyond maybe the last 50 years of history - and even then it's only shaky. I can't shake the feeling that this total lack of class and political consciousness is responsible for the wave of nationalism and rejection of institutions that were working fine until we did what people are now suggesting we do to them It's like people are observing the damaging relationship capital has with politics and universally going "well CLEARLY it's the politicians not being bribed quickly enough that's the problem, if they didn't stop the job creators we wouldn't have any problems!" Hoxha knew.
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