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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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Taear posted:I would think most people haven't got any clue at all about what happened in Ireland. Or in India. Or anything beyond maybe the last 50 years of history - and even then it's only shaky. Pretend I linked that Graham Norton interview again where he says about how the Irish are far more in-tune with their history than the English. I'll stick it here if I can find it. E: https://twitter.com/RTELateLateShow/status/789579684774223873 History fact: The guests on the 111th episode of The Graham Norton Show were unremarkable. HJB fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Mar 21, 2017 17:45
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Can we just get rid of the entire guardian and reallocate its budget to the sport comic?
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Mar 21, 2017 17:51
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HJB posted:Pretend I linked that Graham Norton interview again where he says about how the Irish are far more in-tune with their history than the English. I'll stick it here if I can find it. I can't watch a twitter link unfortunately. Ages ago in a Harry Turtledove novel he said that the losers of history remember it better than the winners. That the winners just learn how great it was to win and nothing else. That's often how I feel about the UK and the US. Too much time is spent saying how great they are without explaining what happened to "make them great" and how it was built on the back of others.
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Mar 21, 2017 17:54
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Just saw that the government's jumping on Trump's muslim-bashing bandwagon, so I'll express my uuuuuuugh in solidarity here.
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Mar 21, 2017 17:59
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HJB posted:Pretend I linked that Graham Norton interview again where he says about how the Irish are far more in-tune with their history than the English. I'll stick it here if I can find it. This is the paradox of the Late Late Show - absolute tripe except for every 50th interview which is wonderful and insightful
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Mar 21, 2017 18:22
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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/844235260065910785 Trade unionists being encouraged to join the Labour party? No. loving. Way.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:25
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If there's one thing more terrifying than trots it's trade unionists. Next thing you know it'll be christian socialists.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:27
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Lunar Suite posted:Then how do I choose one from the bunch, if they're all carefully tailored to have.. no personality other than Politics(r) Brand Natural Human Warmth (no artificial colours). Round this way, there is usually a flyer or two shoved through the letterbox that lays out what the candidate claims they are going to do.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:26
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UK bans laptops and tablets on flights from six Middle East countries Might have to start carrying actual paper books again soon, if this spreads from the UK to the rest of Europe.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:58
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I'm not sure I'd take a tablet on holiday with me.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:04
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Bobstar posted:UK bans laptops and tablets on flights from six Middle East countries I'm frankly surprised this hasn't happened sooner. Bombs are incredibly hard to locate in those types of devices even if you're looking for them, and the resources the airports put into that stuff isn't nearly enough.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:04
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Unless you have a very old laptop I'm not sure how much bomb you could fit in it.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:07
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Since the LiPo density push some manufacturers pre-fit them.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:10
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Bobstar posted:UK bans laptops and tablets on flights from six Middle East countries At least our racist security theatre is aimed at countries where actual terrorist attackers have come from, so one up on the Yanks, but it's still pointless because apart from the one guy with exploding underpants I'm certain every attack on (or with) a plane aimed at the West from 9/11 onwards has been on a flight that originated within the West.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:10
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Unless you're planning to hijack the plane and use it to do a big terrorism I don't know why you would involve a plane in your terrorism at all. For all that effort you could just car bomb somewhere or something surely. And if they are looking to hijack a plane I don't see how an exploding laptop would help.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:15
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Miftan posted:I'm frankly surprised this hasn't happened sooner. Bombs are incredibly hard to locate in those types of devices even if you're looking for them, and the resources the airports put into that stuff isn't nearly enough. They could also inadvertently import cyber attacks. Don't most companies have a policy of destroying all hardware that's been to China for that exact reason?
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Mar 21, 2017 19:15
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goddamnedtwisto posted:At least our racist security theatre is aimed at countries where actual terrorist attackers have come from, so one up on the Yanks, but it's still pointless because apart from the one guy with exploding underpants I'm certain every attack on (or with) a plane aimed at the West from 9/11 onwards has been on a flight that originated within the West. Yes. And I feel like they just removed the at-gate security at Istanbul Ataturk, certainly between the last two times I was there. So that'll be nice for them. Your into this kind of thing, Twisto, what are the chances of any part of this security ratchet ever being undone? Or do we just lose item after item until one day hand luggage is banned?
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Mar 21, 2017 19:15
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OwlFancier posted:Unless you're planning to hijack the plane and use it to do a big terrorism I don't know why you would involve a plane in your terrorism at all. I think the idea is that you use the bomb to blow up the plain but I'm not an expert.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:15
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OwlFancier posted:
Don't need to hijack it, just blow a hole in the side over a major city. It's also extremely easy to fit bombs into newer laptops and tablets if you know what you're doing. Hi GCHQ, I work in security and am not a terrorist.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:17
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Bobstar posted:Yes. And I feel like they just removed the at-gate security at Istanbul Ataturk, certainly between the last two times I was there. So that'll be nice for them. Nobody ever wants to be the guy who okay'd the unbanning of something because if it's used for something bad within 50 years they'll blame him. The only way we're getting this stuff back is if security technology outpaces the bomb makers (lol) or those countries are deemed safe again (lol). I wonder if worldwide socialism might help with one of these!
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Mar 21, 2017 19:18
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I look forward to the day that to get into a plane you have to strip off and be inserted into the body tube by a robot.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:21
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OwlFancier posted:I look forward to the day that to get into a plane you have to strip off and be inserted into the body tube by a robot. This, but the robot is a Golem. "Your safety is my concern"
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Mar 21, 2017 19:23
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Miftan posted:Don't need to hijack it, just blow a hole in the side over a major city. It's also extremely easy to fit bombs into newer laptops and tablets if you know what you're doing. Hi GCHQ, I work in security and am not a terrorist. Wouldn't it have to be a pretty major hole? As I recall the last laptop bomber just killed himself and the hole posed no issues with landing the plane.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:25
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Yes see lockerbie.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:25
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Saudi Arabia is on the list, bit risky - piss them off and who will we sell weapons to?
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Mar 21, 2017 19:26
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That's the "no returns" policy.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:27
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Dead Goon posted:Saudi Arabia is on the list, bit risky - piss them off and who will we sell weapons to?
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Mar 21, 2017 19:30
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jabby posted:Wouldn't it have to be a pretty major hole? As I recall the last laptop bomber just killed himself and the hole posed no issues with landing the plane. Apparently they did it at a low altitude and speed so the pilot could handle it, that's what saved the plane. Anyway I think this is just increasing the risk of hijacking by people who were stuck on the tarmac for three hours with only the inflight magazine to read.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:30
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namesake posted:Anyway I think this is just increasing the risk of hijacking by people who were stuck on the tarmac for three hours with only the inflight magazine to read. I assume this applies to the best invention ever, the noise-cancelling headphones.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:33
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Those in-ear buds that double as earplugs are pretty great.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:33
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Miftan posted:Nobody ever wants to be the guy who okay'd the unbanning of something because if it's used for something bad within 50 years they'll blame him. You unban a drug and you are personally responsible for everyone who dies taking it even if proportionally those numbers are lower than before. You unban something that gets used in a terror attack and it's directly your fault and not social factors that radicalize people. You slowly suffocate education and the NHS and ah well the budget is like a credit card which is why those kids all died waiting in corridors. You scrap welfare and it increases both the numbers of preventable deaths and the numbers of angry young people willing to bomb something and most of them are skivers anyway so gently caress 'em.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:37
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jabby posted:Wouldn't it have to be a pretty major hole? As I recall the last laptop bomber just killed himself and the hole posed no issues with landing the plane. Depends on altitude, speed and location. It varies, which is why it's not that big a risk if it's not in the cabin, it'll be surrounded by bags that will absorb the blast.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:45
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OwlFancier posted:Unless you're planning to hijack the plane and use it to do a big terrorism I don't know why you would involve a plane in your terrorism at all. Or just blow up the queue for airport security. All the same transport disruption, as well as hundreds of people all crowded into one space with nowhere to go and no screening whatsoever beyond a valid boarding pass...
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Mar 21, 2017 19:46
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big scary monsters posted:Or just blow up the queue for airport security. All the same transport disruption, as well as hundreds of people all crowded into one space with nowhere to go and no screening whatsoever beyond a valid boarding pass... Yeah that's always been the utterly obvious flaw in these checkpoints; they just move the people queuing further out of the protective layers of security and make them easier to attack. Modern airport security is to protect the planes and things below the flightpath more than they are protecting passengers.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:49
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namesake posted:Yeah that's always been the utterly obvious flaw in these checkpoints; they just move the people queuing further out of the protective layers of security and make them easier to attack. This hits the nail on the head. They don't give a poo poo about passengers, they just don't want another plane trying to ram the commons or the pentagon.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:57
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Also, with a laptop bomb you needn't go on the plane yourself, I guess. You could conceive of making something that looks like a removable battery, with a timer inside of it, and replacing the laptop's actual battery with it. (No GCHQ I am not a terrorist I promise)
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Mar 21, 2017 19:56
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feedmegin posted:Also, with a laptop bomb you needn't go on the plane yourself, I guess. You could conceive of making something that looks like a removable battery, with a timer inside of it, and replacing the laptop's actual battery with it. Timers are old school, there might be a barometer or something in there. If it's just a battery it's much easier to catch than a full on laptop though.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:58
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Miftan posted:This hits the nail on the head. They don't give a poo poo about passengers, they just don't want another plane trying to ram the commons or the pentagon. Someone flying a plane into the Commons would at least save us the billions required to repair it. Not that anyone should do it, obviously. I'm just trying to look on the bright side of this hypothetical.
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namesake posted:Yeah that's always been the utterly obvious flaw in these checkpoints; they just move the people queuing further out of the protective layers of security and make them easier to attack. The IRA knocked off civilians by the score without the government really batting an eye. But once they leveled a few hundred million quid's worth of real estate in Canary Wharf and Manchester the govt got round the table right quick. In the government mindset people are regrettably acceptable casualties. Capital isn't - if only because the owners of capital can put a poo poo load more pressure on the government than any number of whinging, mutilated proles.
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