Crawl .20: Home of the Frog Dog

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Floodkiller: May 31, 2011

Decrepus posted:

You eat the fresh pineapple. Delicious!
You eat the fresh pineapple. Delicious!
Your face begins to dissolve.
You continue eating the fresh pineapple.
You die.

If only we had IVAN mechanics.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 01:15

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# ? May 14, 2024 21:06

Luceid: Jan 20, 2005; Buy some freaking medicine.

Internet Kraken posted:

Hey I know everything I say always gets ignored but I feel compelled to mention that Uskayaw is a super fun and unique god right now. Don't gently caress with it just because the devs can't agree on the proper way to butcher SteelNeuron's idea.

fun and unique? can't believe this one got past the dragnet, boys, get minmay and dpeg on the line. we got some emergency changes to push

SteelNeuron posted:

Anyway, back to working on my own stuff! At least I'm glad I know where to put my effort now.

fwiw you made crawl really fun to play again for a little while for someone like me who feels like they otherwise exhausted and won the game so thank you for your hard work, and i'm sorry it turned out this way!

# ? Mar 22, 2017 02:45

pathetic little tramp: Dec 12, 2005; by Hillary Clinton's assassins; Fallen Rib

cheetah7071 posted:

Dungeness Crab Stone Soup

# ? Mar 22, 2017 03:58

World Famous W: May 25, 2007; BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Stealing that for next tournament team name.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 04:46

taqueso: Mar 8, 2004

Sojenus posted:

i'm not sure why people advocate to bring rmut back when the real solution is to remove malmutate

better crab race idea: exactly like a human but with a red crab-person sprite and 100% mutation resistance because crabs are already perfect

It could just replace humans, they are in tolkein after all.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 07:02

World Famous W: May 25, 2007; BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Lord of the Rings had predominant sword use. Remove swords and armor to help move from Tolkien fantasy.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 07:08

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

World Famous W posted:

Lord of the Rings had predominant sword use. Remove swords and armor to help move from Tolkien fantasy.

I'm okay with this as long as some other weapon gets riposte

# ? Mar 22, 2017 07:09

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

Just merge all weapon types into one that has cleaving, reaching, super-stabbing, and riposte without ever cutting off hydra heads. :getin:

# ? Mar 22, 2017 07:16

Glidergun: Mar 4, 2007

cheetah7071 posted:

Dungeon Crab Stone Soup

Dungeon Crawl Crab Soup imo

# ? Mar 22, 2017 07:16

Samog: Dec 13, 2006; At least I'm not an 07.

Add 1 to every displayed aptitude but keep the actual skill growth rate the same

# ? Mar 22, 2017 09:10

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

Glidergun posted:

Dungeon Crawl Crab Soup imo

Lobster Crab Krill Shrimp

# ? Mar 22, 2017 14:29

taqueso: Mar 8, 2004

Samog posted:

Add 1 to every displayed aptitude but keep the actual skill growth rate the same

Best idea yet.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 15:38

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

Nemelex trip report: I summoned a Panlord in Orc, 5/5

# ? Mar 22, 2017 17:42

weirdly chilly pussy: Oct 6, 2007

I've finally got a mummy of kiku past two runes and it's quickly turning into a pleasant trip. I don't have to worry about food or potions cluttering my inventory and even high-ac monsters die swiftly to my quickblade of pain. If I need easy mode, I can make it rain down corpses and poo poo down one's neck to torment everyone in sight.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 18:23

someone awful.: Sep 7, 2007

tote up a bags posted:

Nemelex trip report: I summoned a Panlord in Orc, 5/5

It's fun when this happens

Inversely, the Foxfire card exists

# ? Mar 22, 2017 18:51

Samog: Dec 13, 2006; At least I'm not an 07.

taqueso posted:

Best idea yet.

it would actually make a lot of sense i think

# ? Mar 22, 2017 18:53

Yngwie Mangosteen: Aug 23, 2007

Samog posted:

Add 1 to every displayed aptitude but keep the actual skill growth rate the same

This might encourage tedium as people add experience to skills just to see numbers go up. This sort of play is 'optimal' as higher numbers mean bigger damage/better spells, and so this should be avoided.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:31

LogicNinja: Jan 21, 2011; ...the blur blurs blurringly across the blurred blur in a blur of blurring blurriness that blurred...

Samog posted:

quote:
MarvinPA committed on Dec 10, 2016

As an alternative to the proposal of Basajaunak as a large caster race, instead
let Ogres take more advantage of their Ogre Mage heritage, with -1 spell school
apts across the board. Also give them more starting int but less str/dex, and
significantly decrease their M&F apt - they're still uniquely able to make the
most of GSCs but now require more of an investment to do so (and might feasibly
consider other weapon types too), and the extra XP cost for GSC usage is likely
more than made up for by the XP saved on spell schools.

i think this is pretty silly but here it is

I like how we can't let Ogres have a positive M&F apt because they got better at spells even though, you know, Mi, Gr, and Ho exist and Ogre still wouldn't be good.

e: Or by saying this am I encouraging Mi to get removed? Please don't remove Mi.

LogicNinja fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 22, 2017

# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:40

apple: May 18, 2003; Jose in the club wearing orange suspenders

It's ok for Ogres to have a positive mace apt. Even if they had +3 to maces thanks to the better spell aptitudes you have a reason to use magical staves or something like a randart quarterstaff/polearm that boosts your Int and/or MP.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:10

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

Maybe all races should have the same exact average weapon apts. Think of all the choices! Merfolk with clubs! Orcs with daggers! Vampires with bows!

# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:13

Darth Windu: Mar 17, 2009; by Smythe

Bring back katanas and add dakimakura imo

Sprawled octopode looking all seductive on one side
Lots of tentacles with rings on the other

# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:23

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Fitzy Fitz posted:

Maybe all races should have the same exact average weapon apts. Think of all the choices! Merfolk with clubs! Orcs with daggers! Vampires with bows!

If the devs ruin merfolk then I will truly know that all of my hyperbole wasn't hyperbolizing enough

# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:23

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

Fitzy Fitz posted:

Maybe all races should have the same exact average weapon apts. Think of all the choices! Merfolk with clubs! Orcs with daggers! Vampires with bows!

A developer points his finger at you a mutters some words.
You are banished from the thread.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:24

Floodkiller: May 31, 2011

I agree that the low M&F aptitude is still dumb for Ogres, since it doesn't actually create an interesting decision for Ogres in the slightest. One of the major reasons people pick large races is to use large equipment. People will choose M&F on Ogres anyway: either they want to use a GC/GSC, or they are using a shield and will want to use M&F for the best shield based weapons. -1 isn't going to make any difference over a higher aptitude other than making it take longer to train, so maybe an early ogre will pick up a shield early on until they have enough skill to wield a GC/GSC safely. If it goes any lower (like Tavern suggests), everyone who wants to use large equipment will just pick Trolls instead (their M&F is also -1). At that point, you've actually taken options from ogre being anything other than being a lovely, healthy spellcaster (which Draconian and Hill Orc do way better). I guess you give more options to Trolls at that point, but why have playable Ogres at all then?

If they need a nerf to M&F for better spell school apts, taking it to 0 or +1 is good enough for encouraging players to branch out over a glass cannon rush.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:43

Panic! at Nabisco: Jun 6, 2007; it seemed like a good idea at the time

Floodkiller posted:

If it goes any lower (like Tavern suggests)

Is this a joke, or does Tavern actually want ogres to get even shittier at their one niche?

# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:48

Floodkiller: May 31, 2011

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

Is this a joke, or does Tavern actually want ogres to get even shittier at their one niche?

duvessa posted:

The average maces aptitude is about -0.7. -1 isn't very far below average, and giant clubs are still a no-brainer on ogres, anyway (which is why I suggested nerfing it to -2 or -3, not -1).

Ogres being large is the real limiter; the only way I could think of to make them weapon diverse is to either give all of their other weapons way better aptitudes, or nerf the M&F into the ground, leading to people picking Troll instead. If the later, I would just give Draconians +20-30% HP, cut Ogres, and be done with it.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 22:08

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

So does tavern just have a MiBe fetish, and no other combo is allowed to be even remotely good

# ? Mar 22, 2017 22:11

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

Floodkiller posted:

Ogres being large is the real limiter; the only way I could think of to make them weapon diverse is to either give all of their other weapons way better aptitudes, or nerf the M&F into the ground, leading to people picking Troll instead. If the later, I would just give Draconians +20-30% HP, cut Ogres, and be done with it.

Add LARGE ogre-sized weapons of all types. ~~Anime~~ Quadruple sword, Paul Bunyan axe, etc.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 22:13

Darth Windu: Mar 17, 2009; by Smythe

The devs, evil as they are, will not rest until they have cut every species aside from demonspawn, and them only because the outcry from the playerbase would be too great. there would be no one to play their lovely game and no one to cry tears of lost favorites, which is their only source of sustenance.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 22:16

apple: May 18, 2003; Jose in the club wearing orange suspenders

Duvessa/minmay is the same person I was talking about a while back that tends to speak in absolutes which is a pet peeve of mine in the context of a game like Crawl. He can make good points, too, but I'd definitely take the Ogre stuff with a huge grain of salt.

e: grammar

apple fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Mar 22, 2017

# ? Mar 22, 2017 22:18

Darth Windu: Mar 17, 2009; by Smythe

apple posted:

Duvessa/minmay is the same person I was talking about a while back that tends to speak a in absolutes which is a pet peeve of mine in the context of a game like Crawl. He make good points, too, but I'd definitely take the Ogre stuff with a huge grain of salt.

"Literally nobody needs resists"

# ? Mar 22, 2017 22:21

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

That person is the worst poster on the Tavern by far. Being a dev just makes them more full of themselves

# ? Mar 22, 2017 22:34

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

Floodkiller posted:

Ogres being large is the real limiter; the only way I could think of to make them weapon diverse is to either give all of their other weapons way better aptitudes, or nerf the M&F into the ground, leading to people picking Troll instead.

I'm still not sure why it's a problem for GSC to be their Thing. It's like complaining about magic being a no-brainer on DE - no poo poo it's a no-brainer, that's the entire loving point of the species!

If minmay wants a species that's an undifferentiated blob, they can go play Human. But nobody plays Hu, because it turns out undifferentiated blob species are boring.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:00

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Speleothing posted:

That person is the worst poster on the Tavern by far. Being a dev just makes them more full of themselves

That's mistaken, minmay is not part of the dev team.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:20

Nuclearmonkee: Jun 10, 2009

Haifisch posted:

I'm still not sure why it's a problem for GSC to be their Thing. It's like complaining about magic being a no-brainer on DE - no poo poo it's a no-brainer, that's the entire loving point of the species!

If minmay wants a species that's an undifferentiated blob, they can go play Human. But nobody plays Hu, because it turns out undifferentiated blob species are boring.

Human Wanderer is fun cause you are basically playing at the floor god's whims.

# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:26

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Nuclearmonkee posted:

Human Wanderer is fun cause you are basically playing at the floor god's whims.

Demonspawn wanderer is the same but with fun mutations too

# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:27

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

cheetah7071 posted:

Demonspawn wanderer is the same but with fun mutations too

Pretty much this. Anything you might want Hu for, Ds can do better. (except worshipping good gods, I guess) It turns out that species having unique traits...is good?

# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:31

Samog: Dec 13, 2006; At least I'm not an 07.

Haifisch posted:

I'm still not sure why it's a problem for GSC to be their Thing. It's like complaining about magic being a no-brainer on DE - no poo poo it's a no-brainer, that's the entire loving point of the species!

If minmay wants a species that's an undifferentiated blob, they can go play Human. But nobody plays Hu, because it turns out undifferentiated blob species are boring.

you can do well with bad aptitudes, therefore good aptitudes are unnecessary, therefore good aptitudes should be removed

# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:42

Darth Windu: Mar 17, 2009; by Smythe

SKULL.GIF posted:

That's mistaken, minmay is not part of the dev team.

Are minqmay and minmay not the same person? Becaus the former has repeatedly claimed to be a dev, and in any case their feedback is over valued by the devs

# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:47

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# ? May 14, 2024 21:06

Samog: Dec 13, 2006; At least I'm not an 07.

Give humans +2 long blades and pointy ears

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