Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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Jeremy Corbyn | 95 | 18.63% | |
Dennis Skinner | 53 | 10.39% | |
Angus Robertson | 20 | 3.92% | |
Tim Farron | 9 | 1.76% | |
Paul Ukips | 7 | 1.37% | |
Robot Lenin | 105 | 20.59% | |
Tony Blair | 28 | 5.49% | |
Pissflaps | 193 | 37.84% | |
Total: | 510 votes |
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Pochoclo posted:Isn't this mostly because unions have been on decline thanks to the efforts of neoliberalism? the Labour membership figures don't include members of affiliate unions. 11/3/1931: Rupert Murdoch crawls out of the depths of Hell. GEORGE W BUSHI fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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serious gaylord posted:How about that. if we assume the lowest possible boundary of membership being 500,001, and the full 40,000 members have quit because they dont want jeremy corbyn, that still leaves them either with 3x the tory highmark or hovering around or above the total of all other party registration in the UK. Party membership doesn't mean much in a lot of places (see; the US), or it can mean everything (soviet-collectivism celebrating its glorious centenary where nothing bad happened and lenin lived forever). Losing less than 10% of membership from something as idiotic as the whip seems... good? There are obviously going to be hard limits relating to variable numbers and tactics employed as to what you can actually do with this, setting momentum on Keep Britain Clean or turning membership into a novel way to decorate your car to ensure everyone knows how good your opinions on the baby jesus are clearly aren't going to be helpful. But what momentum needs to start doing ASAP, and are doing, and are pushing for expanding, is local governance work. The government don't want to loving do anything helpful, then it is *good* that we have a group of people trying to do things and wearing a badge. This is how you undermine a democracy; in Greece, in Portugal, and further back into the last century, passively replacing state function with voluntarism is very hard to push back, politically. You're going to reach a point where force is needed to make people stop helping each other, in broad public global view. It's better; Labour don't even loving need to care. If Labour realise they can start occasionally shouting angry socialist class things from yet-another-politibot about the oppositon, while letting momentum expand their groundgame, and a final agreement is made between the PLP, momentum and the union bloc on what specific aspects they want as "their" perview and who else comes in to ratify, we could even realistically get things on track. The thirdwayists (some posters getting hella mad about calling them "blairites" because blair's not there, I guess Pitt didn't send the memo out or something) get to claim they've "won" and "been reasonable adults together". Jeremy can go back to making jam and photographing hubcaps. The unions get policy veto on the PLP, and momentum would happily distance themselves as much as possibly provided their eligible still get taken as full member votes) I mean really my long term view of Labour's membership is that sovietism has the better odds than social democracy right now
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Spangly A posted:if we assume the lowest possible boundary of membership being 500,001, and the full 40,000 members have quit because they dont want jeremy corbyn, that still leaves them either with 3x the tory highmark or hovering around or above the total of all other party registration in the UK. Could you link to some of the local governance work Momentum are doing?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 09:29 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:At least our racist security theatre is aimed at countries where actual terrorist attackers have come from, so one up on the Yanks, but it's still pointless because apart from the one guy with exploding underpants I'm certain every attack on (or with) a plane aimed at the West from 9/11 onwards has been on a flight that originated within the West. a bit rude to ignore the 2015 Metrojet bombing just cause the victims were mostly Russian instead of Western
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:02 |
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ThomasPaine posted:the Oscar-winning Zootopia (Zootropolis in the UK)
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:04 |
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Guavanaut posted:Was there a reason for this? Is Zootopia an existing bestiality movie with copyright? “In the UK we decided to change the US title to Zootropolis to merely allow the film to have a unique title that works for UK audiences,” - An actual quote by an actual Disney rep apparently.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:12 |
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Oberleutnant posted:Cheerful article on NHS privatisation from the Private Eye website: I wonder what Alan Milburn's up to these days… quote:In 2013 Milburn joined PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) as Chair of PwC's UK Health Industry Oversight Board, whose objective is to drive change in the health sector, and assist PwC in growing its presence in the health market. Milburn continued to be Chairman of the European Advisory Board at Bridgepoint Capital, whose activities include financing private health care companies providing services ito the NHS, and continued as a member of the Healthcare Advisory Panel at Lloyds Pharmacy. Oh.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:12 |
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Kokoro Wish posted:“In the UK we decided to change the US title to Zootropolis to merely allow the film to have a unique title that works for UK audiences,” - An actual quote by an actual Disney rep apparently. Ah, so they paid someone a lot of money to find the "most profitable" possible name in each market and they p-hacked their way to a result so they keep coming back to buy more analysis in the future.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:16 |
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Kokoro Wish posted:“In the UK we decided to change the US title to Zootropolis to merely allow the film to have a unique title that works for UK audiences,” - An actual quote by an actual Disney rep apparently. they correctly understand the population of the UK needing to feel special
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:19 |
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Jose posted:they correctly understand the population of the UK needing to feel special More significantly, they were prepared to accommodate that.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:20 |
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Kokoro Wish posted:“In the UK we decided to change the US title to Zootropolis to merely allow the film to have a unique title that works for UK audiences,” - An actual quote by an actual Disney rep apparently. The new title doesn't even work as well. Zoo-topia is clearly to have assonance with U-topia, Zootropolis doesn't properly sound like metropolis, acropolis, or megalopolis. The only thing it brings to mind is "necropolis, but for zoophiles instead of necrophiles" Is that what they were going for, or are they just subtly gaslighting audiences so that they don't know whether they're talking about the same movie, like Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's/Carpenter's Stone?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:22 |
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I think most people would understand 'zootropolis' to mean 'zoo city'.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:25 |
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I think most people would understand 'zootopia' rhymes with 'utopia'.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:27 |
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Well, yes. I'm not suggesting the name change was necessary from a comprehension point of view. It's almost certainly down to some sort of trademark concern.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:27 |
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Simple answer, this place: http://www.givskudzoo.dk/Home.4588.aspx A zoo in Denmark (not yet open I think) has the trademark for 'Zootopia' in the U.K. (I presume that's what they're going to call it for the U.K. market) You can even check the IPO website for proof. What an.... odd thing for people to make up a story about. https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/4/EU008214249
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Pissflaps posted:It's almost certainly down to some sort of trademark concern. It's a u2 trademark. Red Oktober posted:Simple answer, this place: http://www.givskudzoo.dk/Home.4588.aspx I saw this first google and I'm amazed an imaginary zoo that doesn't and won't exist somehow got through u2's legal team for this I haven't *seen* the u2 zootopia IP so maybe they don't have it. I'm not used to music marketing firms not aggressively play hunt the infringement Spangly A fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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I suspected Denmark might be involved, and it doesn't surprise me at all that Bono is too. I was thinking some kind of, uh, movie though.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 10:46 |
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Looks like that NICs farce has had an effect on Tory support with them dropping a whole 3 points in this poll https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/844490487163748352
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 11:08 |
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Pissflaps posted:Looks like that NICs farce has had an effect on Tory support with them dropping a whole 3 points in this poll for context, YouGov polls are the ones that had Labour neck and neck with/sometimes ahead of the Tories earlier in Corbyn's tenure.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 11:28 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:for context, YouGov polls are the ones that had Labour neck and neck with/sometimes ahead of the Tories earlier in Corbyn's tenure. For context, you are replying to Pissflaps.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 11:43 |
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Jedit posted:For context, you are replying to Pissflaps. He's actually providing additional information: explaining that this polling company has in the past been one of the more positive ones for Corbyn's labour. But why let comprehension skills get in the way of a good cheerleading opportunity. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Does anyone fancy a job as a liaison between Corbyn and the PLP?quote:An exciting opportunity has arisen for a Political Liaison Officer to join the Leader of the Opposition’s team. The Political Liaison will help support and develop the relationship between the Leader of the Labour Party and labour stakeholders, including councillors, Labour Group Leaders, MPs and CLPs. http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=60013
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:01 |
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quote:EU chiefs have warned airlines including easyJet, Ryanair and British Airways that they will need to relocate their headquarters and sell off shares to European nationals if they want to continue flying routes within continental Europe after Brexit.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:13 |
Curse these cast in iron rules on airline specifics that would not be extremely easy to change and won't presumably see big changes when TTIP/CETA is forced through anyway.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:17 |
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Imagine you're a policeman wanting to do some dodgy, under-the-table hacking of those drat dirty Greenpeace types who, as well all know, are the single biggest threat this country faces. You could do it yourself, or you could do what everyone else is doing and outsource that poo poo to India: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/21/ipcc-investigates-claims-police-used-hackers-to-read-protesters-emails-jenny-jones quote:
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Zephro posted:Imagine you're a policeman wanting to do some dodgy, under-the-table hacking of those drat dirty Greenpeace types who, as well all know, are the single biggest threat this country faces. You could do it yourself, or you could do what everyone else is doing and outsource that poo poo to India:
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:27 |
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jBrereton posted:Curse these cast in iron rules on airline specifics that would not be extremely easy to change and won't presumably see big changes when TTIP/CETA is forced through anyway. Those are about transatlantic and Canadian trade, not intra European plane routes.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:34 |
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https://twitter.com/make_trouble/status/844512043646496768 https://twitter.com/make_trouble/status/844512196046524416
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JFairfax posted:Those are about transatlantic and Canadian trade, not intra European plane routes.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:39 |
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I would be very surprised If either the us or eu wanted to open up their internal flight markets Also lol at the very idea of the EU allowing Canadian airlines access to Europe in return for getting access to the comparatively tiny market of Canada hahah loving hell just lol
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:43 |
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Pissflaps posted:https://twitter.com/make_trouble/status/844512043646496768 So that Sky News or whatever wordcloud was completely accurate then
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JFairfax posted:I would be very surprised If either the us or eu wanted to open up their internal flight markets
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:44 |
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baka kaba posted:So that Sky News or whatever wordcloud was completely accurate then Which one?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:45 |
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Cerv posted:a bit rude to ignore the 2015 Metrojet bombing just cause the victims were mostly Russian instead of Western Well we're talking about ridiculous security theatre in Western nations, so may as well keep it on those terms. See also the restrictions on liquids, put in place 20 years after the Bojinka plot first attempted to use liquid explosives on a plane. Nobody gave a poo poo about it until they planned trying it on a flight from the UK.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:46 |
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Spangly A posted:It's a u2 trademark. I thought U2's thing was "Zooropa"?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:47 |
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Pissflaps posted:Which one? I forget what it was, people had photos of a TV where they'd made a word cloud about the most common reasons cited by people on each side. It was from something like a debate, not as official as an actual election survey. Gets brought up whenever people say 'it wasn't about immigration!'
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:49 |
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jBrereton posted:Well since the whole thing is being done under a massive cloud of secrecy I suppose we'll just have to see what TTIP brings to the continent. nothing cos it's dead in the water
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:50 |
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jBrereton posted:Well since the whole thing is being done under a massive cloud of secrecy I suppose we'll just have to see what TTIP brings to the continent. There is nothing stopping American companies opening up European subsidiaries at the moment. Most major airlines already have partnership agreements with airlines in other countirs. Eu is dominated by budget airlines and it's expensive to set up new routes and airlines. Gonna be lots of industries that get hosed by brexit. Ahaha goddamn the British are stupid
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:51 |
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baka kaba posted:I forget what it was, people had photos of a TV where they'd made a word cloud about the most common reasons cited by people on each side. It was from something like a debate, not as official as an actual election survey. Gets brought up whenever people say 'it wasn't about immigration!' Are you sure you're not thinking of the word cloud created from focus groups conducted with ex labour supporters about why they were no longer going to vote labour? And it had CORBYN in massive letters right in the middle?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 12:51 |
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Pissflaps posted:https://twitter.com/make_trouble/status/844512043646496768 These aren't so different. Opposition to immigration often boils down to the economy if you think about it
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