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https://youtu.be/90OX7x7KeVE Snippet of the canal fight. I think this is the first we've heard from Clint Mansell's score. Sounds Clint Mansell-y.
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Bugblatter posted:https://youtu.be/90OX7x7KeVE wow, did not like that action. I don't think I'm going to enjoy this anywhere near as much as the '95
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For comparison: https://youtu.be/z2mXrndt1ZI?t=281 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2mXrndt1ZI&t=281s
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Mithaldu posted:For comparison: It's really the little things that set it apart. The way the animation makes the water ripples beautiful and peaceful seeming, coupled with the slow music. It's the way the attacks are sort of impressionistic. The way the completely bland big city is contrasted with the lively but dilapidated alley.
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OAquinas posted:There are white guys in africa. And those who come over to the US would be....african-american. https://media4.giphy.com/media/vMEUFhYWZI5pK/giphy.gif
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Snowman_McK posted:It's really the little things that set it apart. ... One more difference that make no sense to not have (except to save  ): The acting on the hacked dude. In the animation he shows relief when he thinks he's escaped, and there's a distinct pause of silence, then a grunt of surprise when her steps break it. In the live action version the dude never shows any change of emotion.It's not a bad scene, just a thoroughly mediocre one that could be improved leaps and bounds with no more effort than cribbing more closely from the original.
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Mithaldu posted:Absolutely that. There's also the disconnect between his face/voice being that of a garbage truck driver and his moves being that of a trained assassin, which ties in nicely to the film's themes of the increasingly fluid nature of identity.
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Bugblatter posted:https://youtu.be/90OX7x7KeVE
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Snowman_McK posted:There's also the disconnect between his face/voice being that of a garbage truck driver and his moves being that of a trained assassin, which ties in nicely to the film's themes of the increasingly fluid nature of identity. There's another difference, though that might possibly be down to editing: In the original she puts him on his back 3 times, and only attacks him after the first two times because he shows he's not stopping, and she does targeted attacks to disable his combat ability. In the remake he is completely and utterly defenseless and she does huge attacks that throw him around but are otherwise pointless and doesn't even give him a chance to give up. Which in contrast is even more weird because she knows he's not even himself. Another thing i noticed they changed is the weapon mechanics. In the original he has a bog-standard machine gun and uses high velocity rounds, loving it up in the process, which enables her to get close. In the remake he has a scifi plastic gun and she gets close when he reloads. ufarn posted:For some reason, they forgot to edit the brief moment when she kicks the guy. Her clothes are all black with a weird VFX effect. Yeah, bit of an oversight. Although it still has the blue shimmer: 
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Mar 22, 2017 12:31
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Mithaldu posted:Yeah, i didn't quite register that because i was seeing the scene out of context. You're assuming the context of the scene is the same. I doubt it's still a hacked goon who's lost his identity, given how different the rest of the plot is. They're just lifting the iconic set piece and fitting it into their own narrative (Much like Oshii did when he grabbed and recontextualized a bunch of unrelated bits from the comic that he liked, fwiw). Also, someone else said he was a hacked garbage truck driver, which isn't even the case in the original. He was the hacker who was dictating actions to the garbage truck driver. Neither of the garbage men put up a fight.
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Mithaldu posted:Yeah, i didn't quite register that because i was seeing the scene out of context. Yeah, the guy isn't attacking or putting up any defense, he's just getting beaten down. The original had him pull a knife. Also, the most memorable bits of that fight is Kusanagi breaking that dude's hand. It looks like it went into a blender after she got done with it. Bugblatter posted:Also, someone else said he was a hacked garbage truck driver, which isn't even the case in the original. He was the hacker who was dictating actions to the garbage truck driver. Neither of the garbage men put up a fight. Yeah, I think it's a point of contention who Corgi actually was. SMG used a translation that claimed he was a "dealer in questionable goods", hinting he was a drug or weapons dealer, but I recall seeing a translation that had him as a scrap seller, which made him even lower in the criminal totem pole. I think that might be were people confuse him with the garbage man. That and they're both victims of memory hacks. ufarn posted:For some reason, they forgot to edit the brief moment when she kicks the guy. Her clothes are all black with a weird VFX effect. That looks like a 3D overlay for the optical camo effect. It's just that someone forgot to put in the effect.
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Mithaldu posted:For comparison: Doesn't have the same emotional impact without the loving Inception fog horn blaring.
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, the guy isn't attacking or putting up any defense, he's just getting beaten down. The original had him pull a knife. I feel like it's safe to say the context of GitS17 is that it's someone the major is extremely pissed at on a personal level, not just a target to be captured on the job. Either that or Scarlett's Major is a bit more prone to flying off the handle. [qoute]Yeah, I think it's a point of contention who Corgi actually was. SMG used a translation that claimed he was a "dealer in questionable goods", hinting he was a drug or weapons dealer, but I recall seeing a translation that had him as a scrap seller, which made him even lower in the criminal totem pole. I think that might be were people confuse him with the garbage man. That and they're both victims of memory hacks. [/quote] I don't believe GitS95 gave any indications as to the character's identity at all, beyond another person hacked and used as a puppet by Project 2501. He's just the guy who's planting the terminal cards, then he goes full Rambo when he sees the garbage truck being pursued. Honestly, I didn't even know he was referred to as Corgi. Where did that name come from?
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Extended opening clip is out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgSiGuAq64
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Analytic Engine posted:The movie looks great precisely because of the VFX and art direction. The card is a synecdoche for the uninterestingness of the story and it hurts to know what could have been with this movie. Yeah Mira -> Motoko is a new twist on GitS, but it's a worn path in modern fiction writing and won't hold a candle to the 30 year old B-plot of Murphy -> Robocop. I say this as a fan of "Perfume", "Dark City", Michele Gondry, and Jean-Pierre Jeunet. It's so frustrating to like something with incredible visual style that just doesn't hang together as a multimedia narrative worth telling. The transformation of Motoko into Mira is already more interesting than the transformation of Murphy into RoboCop because the villains of the film literally associate 'perfecting' Motoko with making her white. It's a cyberpunk personification of the white devil myth, this Yakub's science where the degeneration of identity into diabolical slavery is inextricable from Western, post-colonially Orientalized, technological utopianism. Bugblatter posted:https://youtu.be/90OX7x7KeVE This is a good score (much better than the Steve Aoki scandalization of the '95 film theme), but it's not even the best aspect of the scene itself. Like, basically Sanders is adapting Ghost in the Shell like a weird combination of James Cameron and the Wachowskis, while keeping the highly choreographed action looking bizarre and unconventionally slowly paced. I love the 'angel's wings' of water that spreads out from the guy as Major kicks him ruthlessly. It's good to know that while this protagonist might not make technologically utopian speeches while kicking back drinking brews with Batou, she will still be unambiguously about beating up poors. Nielsen posted:Extended opening clip is out: This movie is looking pretty loving dope so far. edit: I love that the building's distress call and alarm is literally triggered by the A.I. doorman getting merced. K. Waste fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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I don't mean this to sound snide, but what's the deal with releasing all these clips one week ahead of release? Are the preordered ticket sales bad or something, or is this normal?
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Afaik, it's SOP. For the past few years, between all of the trailers and sneak peeks, you can get about 60% of any movie and all of the climatic bits in 2 minute snippets.
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Oh hey, turns out that a big reason for the rejiggering of that scene is 3D: https://twitter.com/GhostInShell/status/841786031074492416
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K. Waste posted:The transformation of Motoko into Mira is already more interesting than the transformation of Murphy into RoboCop because the villains of the film literally associate 'perfecting' Motoko with making her white. It's a cyberpunk personification of the white devil myth, this Yakub's science where the degeneration of identity into diabolical slavery is inextricable from Western, post-colonially Orientalized, technological utopianism. That's a different direction to take the transformation concept and it isn't any less interesting for focusing on class instead of race. Don't you Zizek guys claim it's all the same thing anyway?
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I interpret it as another dark joke from Verhoeven. "How could we possibly further dehumanize a white inner-city cyberpunk Detroit cop? Slap his face and brain into walking tank."
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Hopefully we get something like this from those future art school kids: https://vimeo.com/86014703
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I wanna see Robo Cop's bad days where he just gets to sit in police HQ eating apple sauce. Robo Cop would have to beable to poo poo right? I bet he always has the runs!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1F4OduqrtQ Edit: forgot this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz5FO4TQt1E Good point on the day-to-day stuff. A lot of the fun in SAC was seeing the little details of their universe like Togasa being confused by cyborg food or Batou spending money on weights. And the Saito origin episode like you said which hinges on satellite internet speed in a warzone. "What if we wrote a plot about how Neo can know Kung Fu in 10 seconds but Judo in 5" Analytic Engine fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Analytic Engine posted:Hopefully we get something like this from those future art school kids: Now this is goddamned art.
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That mat or may not be the original suit, owned by an obsessed fan. https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/we-talked-to-the-guys-who-made-a-robocop-remake-thats-full-of-exploding-dicks
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Analytic Engine posted:That mat or may not be the original suit, owned by an obsessed fan. That's amazing. quote:The actors were excited by the exploding dick idea, but when the time came to actually strap a small bomb on top of their genitals, most people became sheepish. Days before the shoot, we blew through a half dozen of our dickstock figuring out a safe charge on a mannequin. And then we tested it on ourselves, so we knew it wasn't dangerous. But there was still a lot of anxiety on set before the first one blew. Once it went off though, everyone was fighting over who got to be the next dick-victim. We didn't have enough to go around, and I think some of the people that turned out for the scene were bummed when their dicks didn't get shot.
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Analytic Engine posted:Robocop 87 was the story of capitalists "perfecting" Murphy (a working class laborer) by dehumanize him into a literal tool of oppression. His hand was intentionally destroyed because his ultimate form had no need for mementos of his lesser self. This was a major fear for American auto workers of the time as Japan colonized their industry and the changing economic landscape rendered them interchangeable cogs desperate for work instead of proud alpha-male providers. RC 14 took us 30 years forward in anxieties by letting him keep the flesh for a friendly face and a warm handshake, but rendering him both alienated and powerless. He now serves as a PR tool for the kindness of capitalism and is both physically and mentally outmatched by mass produced robots. At least Motoko and RC 87 were feared and respected as cyborgs capable of more than man and machine alone. Exactly - GitS'17 is a faithful thematic expansion upon the bluesy, robot cop thriller, concerned more with shocking the viewer with imagery of abjection and horrific technological fascism, pervasively juxtaposed with new media urban cityscapes constantly advertising a mythical freedom of the consumer middle class, alienated from massive squaller for the working poor, refugees, and immigrants. RC '14 is a good comparison, because you could say that what's been shown so far depicts a clear hypothetical narrative expanding on the opening of that film, explicitly about imperialist, para-military policing of 'post-colonial' subjects. But what I see Sanders bringing to it is an ironically 'Disney'-esque toyishness, something more like Baz Luhrmann than Paul Verhoeven.  From the "Water Fight" clip, which apparently isn't even finished effects-wise. But you can already see some of the subtle genius in what's being depicted: Mira's eye within the skyscrapers - allied with the giant projection of the woman taking an ironically similar offensive stance against the merc.
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Neo Rasa posted:Albert Pyun made an awesome cyberpunk movie called Nemesis that I've talked about a lot in other threads. However, he also made some awful sequels to it, the last of which is a horrendously weird and awful Ghost in the Shell wannabe titled Nemesis IV: Cry of Angels that some here might enjoy as a bizarre, ultra low budget live action riff on the Ghost in the Shell movie that has so much gratuitous nudity it makes any other Ghost in the Shell adaptation seem tame. The entire movie is on YouTube. Neo Rasa posted:Please please please please watch this film if you haven't yet: I watched this a couple weeks ago due to some fond memories of catching it on HBO when I was young. Was really surprised to recognize a young Thomas Jane in that bit part. Also I guess at one point it was going to be Megan Ward from PCU as the main character, till they decided to change it to be an Olivier Gruner vehicle. Still pretty entertaining movie for so low budget.
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Bugblatter posted:Does still feel like a truncated edit though. Ghost in the Shell is generally a history of truncating (and heavily altering things from) the original work in many ways. It wasn't until Stand Alone Complex that anything outside of the Manga was actually given time to spread its wings and explore the world the manga did in its own unique way. Arise did some neat stuff, but it went back to feeling extremely truncated, on top of generally failing to sell the core of its plot convincingly, even after a TV edit and a new movie called The New Movie (Jesus Christ). I'm interested to see the live action movie. I don't expect it to be too much like the other works beyond a heady mixture of visual references from all throughout GitS' history, and that's fine. GitS is basically at the point where it has crawled up its own rear end in terms of being self-referential and self-reverential. Even when SAC was ostensibly going its own way, it was really more of an expansion of previously mentioned or explored themes in either the movies or the manga. With sometimes markedly less interesting action sequences to replace brilliant ones. Not that any of GitS I've consumed I would consider bad. I love GitS in pretty much all its forms, except that Counter Strike Of Duty F2P clone they made. gently caress that.
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fivegears4reverse posted:Ghost in the Shell is generally a history of truncating (and heavily altering things from) the original work in many ways. It wasn't until Stand Alone Complex that anything outside of the Manga was actually given time to spread its wings and explore the world the manga did in its own unique way. Arise did some neat stuff, but it went back to feeling extremely truncated, on top of generally failing to sell the core of its plot convincingly, even after a TV edit and a new movie called The New Movie (Jesus Christ). Heh, I meant it feels like this is an abbreviated cut of the actual film's opening, because the rhythm of a few edits feel odd.
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Nielsen posted:Extended opening clip is out: wow, this is just not going to do it for me at all
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Mithaldu posted:Her hardware is advanced enough so she can have a sex life, so it's probably equal parts of her wanting to have them, and it being easier for her human psyche to live in a body that's shaped as her subconscious expects it to be. This is all correct and is the canonical reason for her body. As she aged she was given progressively older ones that, while very advanced and military grade and whatever, are cosmetically all template "generic Japanese woman __ years old #4562" whatever so that she can still live in regular society and have a life outside of busting heads/killing people.
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OAquinas posted:There are white guys in africa. And those who come over to the US would be....african-american. Liberia has one of the lowest populations of white people in Western Africa and the fact that he was born in the jungle and fought in Charles Taylor's civil war in the 90s along with him getting heavily shat upon for his skin tone hints at him possibly being an albino. It's honestly one of those "huh, okay, weird" things in Metal Gear that was never explained. I doubt Kojima will ever outright say if he's supposed to be strictly white, mixed race or suffering from albinism either. Raiden black, so what.
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Tenzarin posted:So does female robo cop really need breasts? Couldn't that just been some more inches of robo-steel? In the Cassandra Kresnov series by Joel Shepard, the titular character is a super advanced android soldier, and at one point someone asks her why her designers built her with tits and she goes "Maybe they just couldn't stand to see a female humanoid without them," and I rolled my eyes so hard I became a power plant generator for a moment, because it was very clearly the author just saying "I didn't want my hot cyborg protagonist to not have tits okay?"
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