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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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mehall posted:I understand the desire to have armed personnel to kepe vital resources safe, and I understand that the Queen is marked as a vital resource, though I am no Monarchist, but pretty much anyone beyond the royals, and maybe the PM, im not so sure of. And I definitely don't think we need the guys at the airports with the MP5's out. Calm down, Clancy.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:17
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Lid posted:Its unlikely, car attacks (both terrorist and people gone homicidal) seem to have increased dramatically as a method via realising just how much damage can be done with a few tonnes of metal at high speed. Off the top of my head there was the attack in France, and a spree killing in Melbourne Australia a month back both using vehicles.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:23
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goddamnedtwisto posted:British people really don't like seeing armed police. There's generally a couple of DPG* hanging around somewhere in the vicinity and a bunch of them inside, plus ARVs/Trojans all around, and presumably a shitload of DPG inside, but unless something big is up you'll almost never see armed cops actually out on the streets, and the Met continually get poo poo from both the public and politicians if they're too visible. Not counting he zone 1 tube and rail stations as "on he streets"? Bored looking cops with guns are a semi permanent installation now
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Mar 22, 2017 23:26
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If I were to be cynical, perhaps because there isn't anything you can do about car crashes on the motorway. Attacks in urban areas provoke the response of more armed police and more restrictions on activity. If your goal is to cause terror then you want people to have something to feel afraid about, and government reponse to terror attacks is very good at that. Though I suppose if you're trying to create unrest, getting the government to lower the national speed limit would probably do it.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:27
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I've seen all-black outfit police (military police?) just walking around one of the most central high streets in London, touting assault rifles around, didn't really bat an eye at that.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:31
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the guardian has footage of the car racing across the bridge, and the woman falling into the thames, pretty harrowing stuff Edit: BBC sorry https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/844675484411723776
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Mar 22, 2017 23:31
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Pochoclo posted:I've seen all-black outfit police (military police?) just walking around one of the most central high streets in London, touting assault rifles around, didn't really bat an eye at that. I think that's actually just the normal armed police actually, they just dress like that cos they're a bit fash.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:34
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Paul.Power posted:Not that I want to give anyone any ideas and it'd be horrible if it happened, but I honestly don't know why there hasn't been a terrorist attack that's just a bunch of multi-car pileups at strategic locations around the M25. It seems obvious. there's a BBC docu-drama (The Day Britain Stopped) that took on this, but rather than terrorists, it hypothesizes two multi-car pile-ups on the M25 on the Friday before Christmas during a 48 hour rail strike. The end result being a mid-air collision between two planes caused by air traffic controllers having to work overtime as their relief staff can't get in as every road within 100 miles of London is gridlocked
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Mar 22, 2017 23:42
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OwlFancier posted:I think that's actually just the normal armed police actually, they just dress like that cos they're a bit fash. They looked like this  So yeah, armed police, their assault rifles (not submachineguns) were full tacticlol too.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:44
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Oh I thought you meant the guys in the helmets and balaclavas. That's more tame than I thought.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:46
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Culture shock I guess. You don't really see police all that often in Buenos Aires, and when you do it's usually the typical street corner guy with a high-vis vest and maybe a pistol. I remember the first time I saw police in New York I thought "jesus christ that guy is fit as gently caress", in my mind police=out-of-shape had been common sense until I started travelling.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:50
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Seaside Loafer posted:They would loose though wouldn't they, so kind-of a flawed concept. A flawed concept that means loads of people dieing and resources wasted on military crap instead of nice things. Who is the head guy in charge of Daesh, just stick him on the phone to me and i'll talk some sense into him, im sure he is a reasonable bloke once you get to know him, just got to talk some logic with him There was some Liverpudlian football firm a year or two back on twitter or loving somewhere. Anyway they offered to meat Daesh in an underpass for a kicking to sort it all out. I liked that.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:52
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Looke posted:the guardian has footage of the car racing across the bridge, and the woman falling into the thames, pretty harrowing stuff Surprised they didn't label the bridge in case we couldn't imagine what a bridge looked like.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:52
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Pochoclo posted:They looked like this I'd like to think that whenever Greater Anglia staff at Liverpool Street get into an argument over tickets and the call for BTP goes out, the two omnipresents with assault rifles just wander over all friendly-like to see what's going on.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:55
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I assume the m4 pattern rifles are so they over-penetrate and hit innocents. Because why the gently caress else would you arm them with assault rifles over a submachine gun in a close urban environment?
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Mar 23, 2017 00:06
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I'll do a bit of stereotyping/casual racism to counter the deluge that is going to hit the papers tomorrow, why do most male coppers look like white pudgy shaved thumb-heads? Its very a very common observable thing if you look out for it. Not saying they are all like that or anything, I know a copper who has hair and isnt a nazi.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:08
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Regarde Aduck posted:I assume the m4 pattern rifles are so they over-penetrate and hit innocents. Because why the gently caress else would you arm them with assault rifles over a submachine gun in a close urban environment? Maybe they're more accurate? Idk it's a long time since I played counter strike.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:08
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Pissflaps posted:Maybe they're more accurate? Idk it's a long time since I played counter strike. They'll be more accurate in the desert at 600m. Not sure there's much difference in a tightly packed ticket area. Source: I am a Sky martial of the navy army in ARMA 3: Attack on NOT-CYPRUS
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Mar 23, 2017 00:09
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Regarde Aduck posted:I assume the m4 pattern rifles are so they over-penetrate and hit innocents. Because why the gently caress else would you arm them with assault rifles over a submachine gun in a close urban environment?
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Mar 23, 2017 00:11
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Regarde Aduck posted:They'll be more accurate in the desert at 600m. Not sure there's much difference in a tightly packed ticket area. I don't know I'm just glad we have a highly trained, dedicated police force looking after us.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:10
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Please do not summon the gun nerds to this thread Sorry. Pissflaps posted:I don't know I'm just glad we have a highly trained, dedicated police force looking after us. Indeed.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:11
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Pissflaps posted:I don't know I'm just glad we have a highly trained, dedicated police force looking after us.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:12
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Seaside Loafer posted:What like the ones who taser old geezers while walking their dog? Yes especially those.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:15
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Hey all, I don't do the mod voice thing often but if you could please refrain from musing over which MP's you'd prefer to die that'd be real nice.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:15
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Regarde Aduck posted:I assume the m4 pattern rifles are so they over-penetrate and hit innocents. Because why the gently caress else would you arm them with assault rifles over a submachine gun in a close urban environment? They can use hollowpoint ammunition to prevent that, as police often do with many of their weapons.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:15
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OwlFancier I'm a long time lurker small time shitposter but I assure you I'm a huge fan so is there any chance you can warn me about places to avoid before you go eventually over the high side m8 tia
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Mar 23, 2017 00:22
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Paul.Power posted:Not that I want to give anyone any ideas and it'd be horrible if it happened, but I honestly don't know why there hasn't been a terrorist attack that's just a bunch of multi-car pileups at strategic locations around the M25. It seems obvious.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:57
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Fans posted:Hey all, I don't do the mod voice thing often but if you could please refrain from musing over which MP's you'd prefer to die that'd be real nice. Lol
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Mar 23, 2017 01:00
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Regarde Aduck posted:I assume the m4 pattern rifles are so they over-penetrate and hit innocents. Because why the gently caress else would you arm them with assault rifles over a submachine gun in a close urban environment? They're more than likely loaded with rounds that take over penetration into account. Police can use them since they aren't bound by the Geneva Convention like the military. Pochoclo posted:I remember the first time I saw police in New York I thought "jesus christ that guy is fit as gently caress", in my mind police=out-of-shape had been common sense until I started travelling. There are a ton of fat as gently caress out of shape cops here in the US. I'd say that guy was more of an exception than anything else.
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Mar 23, 2017 01:02
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Regarde Aduck posted:I assume the m4 pattern rifles are so they over-penetrate and hit innocents. Because why the gently caress else would you arm them with assault rifles over a submachine gun in a close urban environment? Law enforcement agencies are very aware of incidents like the North Hollywood shootout, where two bank robbers in body armour basically shrugged off small-calibre gunfire for 15 minutes until SWAT turned up with assault rifles. Seeing armed police makes me very uncomfortable but for the sort of organised attacks these officers are supposed to deter I'm not going to quibble with them being armed with something that can put down a prepared attacker ASAP.
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Mar 23, 2017 01:10
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So Afzhal Khan got the nomination for Manchester Gorton. I've no idea what he's like as a politician, but Corbyn and his team really really need to get better at forcing through their preferred candidates. Watson and his allies have no problem with it.
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Mar 23, 2017 01:27
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Isn't it up to the CLP to elect the candidate?
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Mar 23, 2017 01:33
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't it up to the CLP to elect the candidate? The final vote yes, but the shortlist was decided by committee at a higher level.
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Mar 23, 2017 01:44
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There was a pro-corbyn candidate on it as I recall? Former lawyer, I think?
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Mar 23, 2017 01:47
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The new Private Eye is out and a quick browse of Pedantry Corner suggests that I'm the only reader to have seen a joke about "Bukkaka" and thought "hello, that doesn't sound right" which seems awfully implausible to me.
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Mar 23, 2017 01:49
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I don't have much to add, but anti-terrorism units seem like a good thing, even if they might not visibly do much. Now for the parts of security services that spy on activists, ehh. Depends what kind of activist I guess, but what with the Green peer having been in the domestic terrorism database, well umm, it is a bit worrying. Like alright ecoterrorism and such might be a valid reason, but it seems to stroll a bit too close to what FBI did to Martin Luther King (and other similar security service incidents). Also the Guardian comments on an article about the latter are full of fash being gleeful about that surveillance.
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Mar 23, 2017 02:00
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some blogger commentary on terrorist motivations
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Mar 23, 2017 06:04
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In other news, it looks like the Govt are taking a leaf out of New Labour's book and slipping out some bad news when fewer people will be paying attention. And yes, that muffled sob is the sound of the Tories loving the young again.
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Mar 23, 2017 07:24
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jabby posted:So Afzhal Khan got the nomination for Manchester Gorton. Why do you think he was forced through instead of being fairly chosen by the local party? There was at least one Corbynite on the short list IIRC e: not saying you're defiantly wrong. I'm genuinely interested in if there's actually been shenanigans Cerv fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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Mar 23, 2017 08:18
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Looke posted:the guardian has footage of the car racing across the bridge, and the woman falling into the thames, pretty harrowing stuff Valuable journalism from the BBC, but I think if we could get Gary Lineker to commentate that would really improve my inderstanding of events.
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