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Picking a losing strategy and keeping with it come hell or high water because you don't want to accept that you chose bad allies is America as gently caress
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While the door should be left open to Republicans who don't want to see everything burn they shouldn't be the main focus. Besides any of them who don't turn away after yhis latest mess are probably beyond saving.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:12
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If I understand, the bill that would gut healthcare won't pass because a significant number of legislators want to gut healthcare more? Is that about right?
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Mar 23, 2017 15:27
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psydude posted:http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/frank-rich-no-sympathy-for-the-hillbilly.html From that very article: quote:The Democrats must set priorities. In a presidential election, a revamped economic program and a new generation of un-Clinton leaders may well win back the genuine swing voters who voted for Trump, whether Democratic defectors in the Rust Belt or upscale suburbanites who just couldn’t abide Hillary. But that’s a small minority of Trump’s electorate. Otherwise, the Trump vote is overwhelmingly synonymous with the Republican Party as a whole. That's exactly what a handful of us have been saying for six months or more. You don't need to attract the Tea Party, or the KKK. You need to attract reasonable people who felt (and in some cases still feel) backed into a corner. Edit: If the AHCA were happening about 3.5 years from now (or 1.5, I guess) that would certainly help.
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Frosted Flake posted:If I understand, the bill that would gut healthcare won't pass because a significant number of legislators want to gut healthcare more? Yeah the suicide cult wants pre-existing gone
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Mar 23, 2017 15:31
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Yeah the suicide cult wants pre-existing gone But don't worry, they are pro-life.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:34
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Someone please explain to me again how Republicans became the voice of poor working class whites? Rich assholes I can understand, but it baffles me how a poor person, even a poor white person, looks at Republican proposals and says "No pre-existaing condition coverage AND my insurance prices will rise? gently caress yea! Lock her up! #MAGA" It's fine as long as it's happening to someone else. As long as it's not happening to you or your family, it's all fine. A close friend? "Aw bless his heart. We'll be praying for him and his family." Also read: FYGM Some people don't have a concept of bad things happening until it actually happens to them.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:37
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facialimpediment posted:And it was an inside job. ABC reported that the guy wasn't drafted for the usual stint in the IDF because he was judged too mentally unstable. Also... Dems gonna filibuster Gorsuch.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:41
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I don't know how to feel about that, because we're guaranteed to be hosed by the next nomination.
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Zeroisanumber posted:ABC reported that the guy wasn't drafted for the usual stint in the IDF because he was judged too mentally unstable. 
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Mar 23, 2017 15:46
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They'll just over ride the filibuster. The so called nuclear option. It's a bad idea to filibuster him it's a worse idea to use the nuclear option.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:46
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On the one hand, I'm happy with everything that makes Trump throw a tantrum, but on the other hand: what godholio said
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Mar 23, 2017 15:48
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We're going to get hosed by both nominations so they mind as well go down swinging.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:56
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Godholio posted:I don't know how to feel about that, because we're guaranteed to be hosed by the next nomination. I agree, this isn't the hill Democrats need to die on. There are plenty of other battles the Democrats can focus on fighting were the Republicans/Trump are busy digging their own graves.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:57
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The reasonable "republicans" who are backed in a corner would probably vote a progressive D if it weren't for gun control. personal freedom and your right to own a gun are easily sold as progressive values, especially at a national level. Just like pro choice means that someone against aborbtion can try to convince you not to do it but can't legally stop you, the same argument applies to buying guns. There are a dozen more ways to attack the problem and being more progressive means you can advocate better mental health as a fairer and more beneficial solution. Godholio, I have to disagree with what seems to be your position that being more centrist and non comital will motivate anyone, either left or rational republican, to vote. E; and in current events I just saw a VW commercial staring a couple banging in every different car model as their family grew. It was a good commercial and I can only imagine the small subset of religious hardliners who will object to it.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:01
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What a dumb loving hill to die on. So when Ruth kicks it Pryor or whomever can just be appointed with no problems or issues. It's not even like this is a good pick to use it on.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:04
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There is nothing to gain by not filibustering Gorusch. If Republicans want him bad enough, they'll change the rules, just like they would the next guy and anyone else they get to nominate.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:04
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Every VW commercial should look like a Schindler's List trailer, IMHO. gently caress krauts.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:We're going to get hosed by both nominations so they mind as well go down swinging. That was my thinking as well. If not this time, then the next. Dems keep trying to compromise to get political currency for...something? I don't really get it.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:19
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They're still trying to find all that political capital Obama saved up
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Mar 23, 2017 16:19
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The sins of the father and all that, Duzzy.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:24
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why do people keep saying "we're gonna get hosed by both nominations" did someone else die?
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Mar 23, 2017 16:25
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Proud Christian Mom posted:There is nothing to gain by not filibustering Gorusch. If Republicans want him bad enough, they'll change the rules, just like they would the next guy and anyone else they get to nominate. Yeah, either they get Gorusch through by "compromise" and next time the republicans revoke the filibuster or they revoke the filibuster this time and next time is no different. Either way time is the enemy, the sooner you can demonstrate how horrible the tea party and freedom caucus are for democracy to the majority of Americans the sooner the political landscape will shift.
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Reverand maynard posted:why do people keep saying "we're gonna get hosed by both nominations" did someone else die? RBG is 102348 years old. Sure shes a tough old bird but man time is not on her(or our) side
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Mar 23, 2017 16:27
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McConnell may go nuclear, but at the same time he has to weigh the fact that Republicans can only lose three seats in the senate in 2018 before the tables are turned. Democrats are at a slight disadvantage numbers wise in 2018; however, Trump is a historically unpopular president, and the healthcare bill is going to turn a lot of people off.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:35
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https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/844934610010169344 I want this thing to fail so, so badly. Not to mention that it's an incredibly poo poo policy.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:38
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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/844934610010169344 This is just going to piss them off.
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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/844934610010169344 It won't. Worst timeline and all that.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:38
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Part of me wants it to fail so that Ryan and Trump look dumb. Another part of me realizes that if they pass it, it'll basically hand Democrats the election in 2018. Especially since the freedom caucus is forcing them to enact the provisions before the election.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:The sins of the father and all that, Duzzy. Pee-paw didn't like Hitler, and was fine with the sons of Abraham (the jewish half of my family), but then again, he also didn't want my dad listening to "Negermusik" (Jazz) and hated the Brits. There was also the time his Junkers took an engine hit over the channel on the way back from Liverpool, and he said "The lord gave me the strength to jettison armor plates so we'd make it to shore because he prefers Germans to the Brits." So I got nothing 
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Last week I felt like holding up Gorsuch nomination was a bad idea for the dems. This week, gently caress it, let's do it. They have nothing to gain by letting things the nomination sail smoothly through the senate. I mean, the best troll response I've seen some dems giving is that we simply cannot give an administration that is likely under investigation for Russian ties a SCOTUS pick until that matter is resolved. psydude posted:Part of me wants it to fail so that Ryan and Trump look dumb. Another part of me realizes that if they pass it, it'll basically hand Democrats the election in 2018. Especially since the freedom caucus is forcing them to enact the provisions before the election. It's a win win if it fails, because you know they will continue to try get something passed, and whatever that is, it'll likely be a worse version of what they're trying to pass right now. Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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hillary shouldn't have been allowed to run since she was under fbi investigation according to the GOP this past year only makes sense
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Mar 23, 2017 16:46
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If the AHCA passes(which I believe it will) our best hope is that it goes into effect ASAP and let diabetes and heart disease do it's thing
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Mar 23, 2017 16:49
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Even with all of the republicans saying they will not vote for it, when it comes down to it I bet it will pass because they just wanted to 'sound' tough or whatever.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:51
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Belgian police arrested a guy who drove into a crowd with a call full of knives and guns: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39369202
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ded posted:Even with all of the republicans saying they will not vote for it, when it comes down to it I bet it will pass because they just wanted to 'sound' tough or whatever. The ones that need to vote no to keep the folks at home happy will be allowed to and anyone else will get browbeat into submission
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Handsome Ralph posted:I mean, the best troll response I've seen some dems giving is that we simply cannot give an administration that is likely under investigation for Russian ties a SCOTUS pick until that matter is resolved. Oh man, that would be some sweet, sweet justice. Goddamn the democratic party - and by extension the entire US system - is hosed.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:54
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It is the kind of success that they didn't even hope to achieve, much like what happened with 9/11.
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Empires rise and empires fall and no empire lasts forever. The US won't be here in 100 years even if the earth is.
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