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paul mannafort campaign manager for 5 months, saying anything about a possible russian connection except FAKE NEWS is "gaslighting" lol
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having past financial ties with a russian businessman is neither illegal, nefarious, or unethical in itself. the democrats and fart-huffing media is trying to paint it in this way and this is called gaslighting.
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also keep in mind that i'm not saying there hasn't been collusion between russia and the trump political campaign. i'm just saying there's loving zero evidence and this russia hysteria is absurd in that context.
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comedyblissoption posted:jimmy's point is that gaslighting about a connection merely because it's russian is basically xenophobia and an absurd variation of mccarthyism no one gives a poo poo that's it's russia dumb rear end except for people that are  about how it makes putin look badpeople give a poo poo because there is extremely strong circumstantial evidence that has been leaked so far from an ongoing investigation that he colluded with a forign government to undermine the election the dumb rear end OP literally latched onto the russia bullshit when (a) there was zero evidence that the CIA left electronic trails to russia (b) an idiot was quoted for saying idiotic things to an idiot reporter that ran it but "oh no, russia is being made to look bad which is bad because whataboutism" is the only thing you and the OP seem to give two shits about is cheer-leading for hillary in 2017 levels of rock gently caress stupid Gringostar has issued a correction as of 00:04 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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uh no i dont care about the purity or sanctity of russia the russian hysteria distracts from legitimate criticisms of trump and the republicans and on why the democrats lost it's basically a ridiculously dangerous gamble for the democrats if it turns out there was nothing there. taibbi wrote a good article about this: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/taibbi-russia-story-is-a-minefield-for-democrats-and-the-media-w471074
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comedyblissoption posted:jimmy's point is that gaslighting about a connection merely because it's russian is basically xenophobia and an absurd variation of mccarthyism I don't think that's mccarthyism bub.
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Imagine the thought police coming for the fascist views of some of the most powerful people in the country. Who's next!?!
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comedyblissoption posted:also keep in mind that i'm not saying there hasn't been collusion between russia and the trump political campaign. i'm just saying there's loving zero evidence and this russia hysteria is absurd in that context. if the russian businessman you're talking about is american businessman paul mannafort, the one who ran the campaign for deposed russian puppet viktor yanukovych and later advised him to shoot protesters, then it's really no wonder you seem to think there is no evidence
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Bip Roberts posted:I don't think that's mccarthyism bub.
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comedyblissoption posted:uh no i dont care about the purity or sanctity of russia you're dumb if you think the russia poo poo is about distracting legitimate criticisms of why democrats lost, you're really loving dumb if you think it's not a legitimate criticism of trump since it's helping to delegitimize his presidency, and you're really really loving dumb if you think its not a legitimate criticism of the gop since they've been actively trying to sabotage the investigation openly and in the dumbest possible ways
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comedyblissoption posted:mccarthyism was a witchhunt involving accusing people of being communists or being associated with communists and therefore they must be evil. the shade of mccarthyism here is insinuating nefarious deeds for merely having a business association with a russian. there's not even any action that is alleged that Manafort actually did that might be unethical or illegal while in the trump campaign. there's just the insinuation that he must have done something bad because RUSSIANS! Have u heard the soviet union doesn't exist
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Gringostar posted:you're dumb if you think the russia poo poo is about distracting legitimate criticisms of why democrats lost
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Bip Roberts posted:Have u heard the soviet union doesn't exist
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comedyblissoption posted:that's why it's a variation of mccarthyism and why it's so ridiculous. communist soviet russia is literally dead and theyre a capitalist corrupt plutocracy like the US now, but the media and politicians are still gaslighting as if russia was still communist and merely associating someone with russia is somehow a success in painting someone as bad hmm so bad things can't be bad because...
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Gringostar posted:russia/putin interfering with the election does not make hillary less bad but apparently that's a bridge too far for some here like i said, dumb
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trump being attacked because hes a commie - jimme dore, while having a conversation with himself
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Pretty sure I saw Jimmy Dore on the street explaining why Trump is good and accepting generous offers of change from those who passed by
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comedyblissoption posted:jimmy's point is that gaslighting about a connection merely because it's russian is basically xenophobia and an absurd variation of mccarthyism The points he made in that video you linked is "Russia isn't any different from Italy", and "Putin is fine" which are hilariously dumb. Yes, neither of those countries are communist. But one of them has a former KGB president who murders dissidents and journalists on the regular, invaded and annexed its neighbors, is funding and aiding right wing populist movements throughout Europe, and just successfully hacked the US election. "Gaslighting" is denying that awful poo poo is happening on a dumb internet show for broke brains.
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JeffersonClay posted:The points he made in that video you linked is "Russia isn't any different from Italy", and "Putin is fine" which are hilariously dumb. Yes, neither of those countries are communist. But one of them has a former KGB president who murders dissidents and journalists on the regular, invaded and annexed its neighbors, is funding and aiding right wing populist movements throughout Europe, and just successfully hacked the US election. "Gaslighting" is denying that awful poo poo is happening on a dumb internet show for broke brains.
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comedyblissoption posted:no, his point was that russian relations with the united states have normalized politically since the cold war. he's not saying russia is a good country. he's pointing out the absurdity of stoking mccarthyist-like sentiment ityool 2017. the media and democrats are insinuating nefarious deeds for merely being associated with russia. He literally asks "what's the difference between Russia and Italy and Norway" and nobody says "Italy and Norway aren't run by an ex-KGB kleptocrat who's promoting right wing populist movements around the globe". In fact nobody answers that question at all, because his point is that there's no difference. He's real dumb and you are too.
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he's making a point that this gaslighting would be a lot less effective if you replaced russia with italy or some poo poo because of historical xenophobia from the cold war. in a sane world merely associating someone with russia would be just as effective as merely associating someone with norway. he's not saying the countries are the same politically or ethically.
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If Trump and team have nothing to hide, then they ought to release a statement that outlines in specific terms the full nature of the contact that their campaign had with Russia, the approximate number of meetings, who from the campaign met with Russian officials, and why they did so. Then, they put the media on notice, saying "this is the truth, this is everything, and as you can see, it's all perfectly normal and we don't have anything to hide. Now, can we move past this stupid nothing of a story?" It's basically Obama's Birther play. Put all your cards out, dare anyone to prove you wrong, and paint anyone who spreads the story as a conspiracy theorist.
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comedyblissoption posted:he's making a point that this gaslighting would be a lot less effective if you replaced russia with italy or some poo poo because of historical xenophobia from the cold war. in a sane world merely associating someone with russia would be just as effective as merely associating someone with norway. he's not saying the countries are the same politically or ethically. how is this remotely "gaslighting"
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comedyblissoption posted:he's making a point that this gaslighting would be a lot less effective if you replaced russia with italy or some poo poo because of historical xenophobia from the cold war. in a sane world merely associating someone with russia would be just as effective as merely associating someone with norway. he's not saying the countries are the same politically or ethically. I don't think you know what the word gaslighting means. Yes, tying Trump to Italy or Norway would be a lot less effective than tying him to Russia because Italy and Norway did not successfully hack our election system 5 months ago. This is the dumbest poo poo imaginable.
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comedyblissoption posted:if there's nothing to hide, it's actually way smarter for trump to let the democrats and media hang themselves on a witchhunt that goes nowhere how are they "hanging themselves"? People don't give a poo poo that there was nothing behind Benghazi so it seems like it's either that or something does come from it.
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Bip Roberts posted:how is this remotely "gaslighting"
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comedyblissoption posted:journalists from the AP are literally insinuating manafort must have done something bad or been trying to spread putin's influence because he had in the past lobbied for a russian businessman. they're not even alleging manafort did any specific concrete illegal or unethical action. theyre just insinuating he must be bad or done something bad because RUSSIA well that and embezzling tens of millions of dollars
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Bip Roberts posted:how are they "hanging themselves"? People don't give a poo poo that there was nothing behind Benghazi so it seems like it's either that or something does come from it.
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comedyblissoption posted:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/taibbi-russia-story-is-a-minefield-for-democrats-and-the-media-w471074 lol who's gonna be "I would have been voting for this milquetoast lib but I won't because they talked about a russia thing that there was circumstantial evidence for but nothing concrete came from it"
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We know Russia did bad poo poo, nobody sane is disputing that. So of course they're trying to tie Trump to Russia, Russia did all the illegal poo poo!Bip Roberts posted:well that and embezzling tens of millions of dollars And offering to promote a political agenda that was amenable to Putin by influencing the US government and media. quote:Specifically, Manafort proposed in a confidential plan as early as 2005 he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the U.S., Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government — even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush worsened. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/paul-manafort-worked-2005-advance-russian-interests-article-1.3005290 What possible relevance could Paul Manifort offering to influence the US media to benefit Putin in 2005 have to this current situation where the US media was influenced to benefit Putin?
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comedyblissoption posted:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/taibbi-russia-story-is-a-minefield-for-democrats-and-the-media-w471074 Oh no what will happen to the Dem's political capital?!?
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It's very telling that the most staunch Hillary supporters, are the ones most interested in Russia.
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comedyblissoption posted:he's making a point that this gaslighting would be a lot less effective if you replaced russia with italy or some poo poo because of historical xenophobia from the cold war. in a sane world merely associating someone with russia would be just as effective as merely associating someone with norway. he's not saying the countries are the same politically or ethically. It may not be the Cold War anymore, and we may not be enemies, but I don't think that Russia is really looking for ways to cooperate with the U.S., and that they fundamentally view anything beneficial to the U.S. in terms of foreign influence as being necessarily harmful to their own foreign influence. So, when people are concerned about Russia, it's not because of some irrational fear that Ivan is gonna nuke us, it's because there's a rational belief that the U.S. and Russia are geopolitical rivals and that Russia is actively working against our own best interests.
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JeffersonClay posted:
Sounds like politics as usual, too bad you only care because your Abeula was so poo poo at it.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:It's very telling that the most staunch Hillary supporters, are the ones most interested in Russia. It's very telling that the people most invested in denying the influence of Russia on the election and the connection to the trump administration are the ones who fell hard for their agitprop. ate poo poo on live tv posted:Sounds like politics as usual, too bad you only care because your Abeula was so poo poo at it.
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I disagree with bernies tweet, but forgive it because unlike your abuela, he has been front and center on pushing the dems to oppose the ACA appeal. What's your endgame for caring about Russia? Bad dems are still going to confirm Trumps SCOTUS appointments, ACA still going away, and Hillary will still never be president.
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Azathoth posted:So, when people are concerned about Russia, it's not because of some irrational fear that Ivan is gonna nuke us, it's because there's a rational belief that the U.S. and Russia are geopolitical rivals and that Russia is actively working against our own best interests.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:What's your endgame for caring about Russia? Bad dems are still going to confirm Trumps SCOTUS appointments, ACA still going away, and Hillary will still never be president. Dunno why get angry about it then?
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