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Baronjutter posted:NY is pretty different in the expanse. Both from sea level rise but also lots of street changes. It looks like they made their 3d model of NY mostly from scratch. I did a quick trace of the coastline. Wow, that's pretty cool. I never would have noticed.
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Baronjutter posted:NY is pretty different in the expanse. Both from sea level rise but also lots of street changes. It looks like they made their 3d model of NY mostly from scratch. Was there a quick shot of central park in there a little later? Curious if that's different. I think there was a bigger lake but I dunno.
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Mar 23, 2017 22:29
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Anyone have any other NY shots from the show? I know they do a lot of little skylines and fly-bys. Id' love to compare and contrast with current day.
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Mar 23, 2017 22:36
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NmareBfly posted:Was there a quick shot of central park in there a little later? Curious if that's different. I think there was a bigger lake but I dunno. 
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Mar 23, 2017 22:46
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Baronjutter posted:NY is pretty different in the expanse. Both from sea level rise but also lots of street changes. It looks like they made their 3d model of NY mostly from scratch. I did a quick trace of the coastline. Stuytown/Peter Cooper Village gridded through, immersion ruined.
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Mar 23, 2017 22:49
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 Clearly just an actual unchanged photo of the current park with some scify towers added. So many of the trees haven't grown or changed in 200 years ! MY IMMERSION!!!!!1
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Mar 23, 2017 22:54
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NmareBfly posted:I mentioned that post because it was quite plainly something that hadn't happened in the show yet. I don't think I'm being overly emotional about it; part of the point was to show how easily innocuous things can be spoilers. If I had posted it I would have used spoiler tags, and I think it was impolite not to do so. The rubric should be 'if it wasn't on screen and probably will be in a future episode, I should use spoiler tags.' That's all I was saying. I don't want to digress into a dumb spoiler slapfight so I'll leave it at that. Dropping in the Drake Equation felt even more awkward.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Dropping in the Drake Equation felt even more awkward. It kind of worked with the Iturbi–Janus dynamic. Janus isn’t the type to know the Drake Equation, and even if he did, Iturbi would explain it just to antagonise him. https://zippy.gfycat.com/HarshThornyCoqui.webm The props/sets people built these rolling workstations just for this gag, I think.
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Mar 24, 2017 00:54
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I couldn't think of any reason that poo poo needed to roll like that. And that bald military scientist is just an rear end in a top hat for no reason.
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eh, as far as Janus knows this Alex Jones esque conspiracy theorist wormed his way onto an essential scientific expedition. I'd be contemptuous in his place too
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Baronjutter posted:I couldn't think of any reason that poo poo needed to roll like that. He might be right, but he's still being a jerk about it. As a side note, I liked how Star Trek (but more practical) the bridge of that survey ship felt. NmareBfly posted:I didn't like Prax's two lines of dialog about Ganymede having a magnetosphere and people going there to gestate because of it. As a concept and part of the setting it's one of my favorite bits, but it felt clumsily handled dialog-wise. It's a snippet of exposition explained to people in-world who already 100% know it and have known it all their lives, so it didn't land well for me. I agree it's a really neat detail.
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Baronjutter posted:I couldn't think of any reason that poo poo needed to roll like that. I think because there is no rotating gravity and the crew is using mag boots.
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Mar 24, 2017 05:30
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Grand Fromage posted:I really love how much they're letting Avasarala be Avasarala this season. She might be my favorite character.
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Mar 24, 2017 05:36
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Finally saw the episode, the whole martians are little bitches on Earth theme was a way bigger deal in the show than I remember from the books
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Mar 24, 2017 06:52
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Whoever the gently caress you are, stand down and let her speak. 
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I hope Avasarala and the player characters get to interact more in the future. They've what, maybe exchanged a few messages and she visited his moms?
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Smiling Jack posted:Finally saw the episode, the whole martians are little bitches on Earth theme was a way bigger deal in the show than I remember from the books I'm kinda surprised the Martian Embassy isn't like packed full of soldiers living and training there all the time.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I'm kinda surprised the Martian Embassy isn't like packed full of soldiers living and training there all the time. The show actually goes a bit more in depth than the books, there's a big difference between training there, living there, and growing up there, as referenced by the magic bone density pills (which I guess are either hideously expensive or have massive long term side effexts or all the Martians would take them) The idea that Bobby can't function there in a combat situation isn't correct, as both the Martians and Earthers use power armor. Earth Space Marines would suffer from lesser, but significant effects on physiology from extended low / zero G environments. Power armor equalizes the playing field and allows your forces to wreck poo poo even after suffering muscle loss and bone atrophy. The show has Bobby and crew doing a lot of maintenance and fitting on those suits which implies that they are difficult to maintain and fitted to the user. I imagine they are also pretty expensive. Some of the embassy guards seem to be wearing the power suits. Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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Excited to see how Ganymede goes down. And having Holden gently caress up the Somnambulist situation was a nice touch; it was a weird place to end the episode, but having real and immediate consequences for his idealistic bravado keeps the character grounded. Also, more space lasagna 
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Going back to gravity differences, in the first episode Avasarala tortures a Belter by forcing him to stand up, and comments that one gravity is literally killing him. Keep in mind that all the Belter characters (including Naomi and Miller) are supposed to look like that guy- Belters are so different from "normal" humans that Earthers treat them like another species entirely. Gravity differences would show up in other ways as well. In Arthur C Clarke's 2010, one character who lived on the moon for a long time breaks both legs jumping from a second story balcony- this is normal in Lunar gravity, and despite knowing the difference intellectually, he does it reflexively as jumping down twenty feet is normal on the moon. Something as simple as walking up the stairs would require significant attention as your feet aren't going to be where you expect them to be. Keeping your balance would be difficult, running nearly impossible. This works in both directions, going from high g to low and vice versa. Special effects budgets limit it on screen but martians or lunies or belters on low g stations should be seen bouncing down hallways and caroming around corners like parkour practitioners on crack cocaine while Earthers would have to concentrate on walking down the hall without accidentally jumping five feet in the air.
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There are no silent J's in Portuguese damnit  Other than that, good episode, Avasarala owns.
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theghostpt posted:There are no silent J's in Portuguese damnit It was a joke to make the cranky guy's name sound like "anus"
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withak posted:It was a joke to make the cranky guy's name sound like "anus" I know, I was just being pedantic since I'm portuguese 
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Book reader human being here; On the Avasarala musings about the no vac suit: Did they hand over Bobbies armor, or just parade it? Ie still having the door open for definitive proof of a protomolecyle soldier
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Daktari posted:Book reader human being here; there's no camera on the suit which is why they introduced the mystery drone but I guess there could be physical evidence left on the armor?
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They said they were turning over her power armour for the UN to examine.
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In any of these scenarios, Martian spooks have overlooked something.
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Now they really do seem to be stretching things out to fill out 4 more episodes
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Drone Jett posted:Washington Post affiliated blog had an article on the Expanse.
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Phi230 posted:Now they really do seem to be stretching things out to fill out 4 more episodes The pacing of the Venus, Ganymede, and Bobby/Avasarala stories will be interesting. Ganymede could be done in 2 if they wanted. Venus is so far off the pace of the books I'm not sure where they take it by season end, but they could probably finish it out in four episodes. Bobby and Avasarala probably need three episodes, four isn't a stretch. Based on episode titles I have a guess on how they pace the Ganymede stuff (slowly) and the other two plots precede so that all of the book 2 plots wrap up with the last episode of this season.
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How come Ganymede has a mafia and poo poo? It seems like it should be a fairly efficient affluent little colony and having armed gangs extorting ships as they dock is like failed-state levels of lawlessness. Is it just how some lovely people responded to the disaster or was it always like that? If mars is currently controlling the facility why don't they have some troops there keeping ordering? I never got a sense of the size of it. From the show it looks like some minor isolated facility with a few domes and a few dozen staff, but evidently it's more like a whole city.
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It wasn't a mafia. they were wearing Star Helix uniforms, who were the private police organization Miller worked for. It implies society has broken down to the extent the security forces went from providing security, to skimming supplies, to straight "gently caress this we're outta here" levels of anarchy.
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It's a bleeding edge biology research station that also produces a huge chunk of the organics that feed the belt. The mafia was probably just armed rear end in a top hat taking advantage of the fact that earth and Mars are too busy to do anything g about it since they're pointing guns at each other.
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So Star Helix are basically local belter mercs that the "inners" hire to impose their rule on various belt colonies and installations?
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There's starvation and the economy collapsed. The ecosystem and life support is also on the verge of a negative cascade effect (see next episode title). In the books all populations are much bigger, but Ganymede was some multiple of Ceres (the biggest port) because it has space, magnetosphere, and most belter babies and almost all belter food is grown there. Prax's changed story elides how huge the disaster is. He had to eat life support plants to survive for that first week or two before relief supplies arrived.
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That seems like the sort of thing where a huge UN or Mars fleet of cargo ships would just show up and take care of everything as quickly as possible. Then again so did hurricane katrina. Inners don't care about belt people.
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Baronjutter posted:That seems like the sort of thing where a huge UN or Mars fleet of cargo ships would just show up and take care of everything as quickly as possible. You're Mars and the UN blew up one of your moons and fought you over Ganymede. The belt is in rebellion and declaring independence intermittently like Ceres did. How much money do you want to invest in providing food to belters instead of planetary defense? How much to fix their food infrastructure after some significant period of time, assuming it won't get blown up again since hostilities haven't shown any signs of dying down? And in this world it's cheaper to build orbital mirrors and domes on Ganymede and ship food from there to the belt than it is to ship food from Earth to the belt. It's not a given that there are enough long term supplies or shipping to fix this quickly or sustainably.
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Baronjutter posted:Inners don't care about belt people. 
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This is why everyone should be living on self-sufficient space wheels or space tubes. The whole economy and living conditions in the expanse is really lovely. It all feels like super short term temporary infrastructure that's been pressed into long term service without any long term plan because who the gently caress cares about belters so long as the resources keep coming. And the belters of course see none of the profit of their own labour so have no resources to improve things. The entire belt is like a giant company town.
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Baronjutter posted:The whole economy and living conditions in the expanse is really lovely. It all feels like super short term temporary infrastructure that's been pressed into long term service without any long term plan because who the gently caress cares about belters so long as the resources keep coming. So in terms of speculative fiction it's pretty spot on? Also quoting myself NmareBfly posted:Also they've talked a lot about the refugee crisis and food shortage but it's odd that lot of people denigrate Ganymede as 'a farm' when the place is theoretically chock full of pregnant ladies and the disaster might have hosed up a whole generation of kids being raised there. Because now that I think of that just goes to show how much belter babies are valued. Earth babies happen on Earth, Mars babies happen on Mars. Belter nurseries are farms because the 'people' that emerge just more grist for the mill for the inners to chew up and digest. I initially forgot that these are belter kids we're talking about.
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