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SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

They buy lovely light bulbs because a black guy said it was dumb to. They made a law that allowed them to buy the lovely bulbs. They don't believe anything about it except that they don't like it.

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BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

The Oath Breaker's about to hit warphead nine Kaptain!
Just a reminder for extra mind-fuckery: JimRob is almost certainly utilizing his VA medical benefits.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres

quote:

CANTORIZE YOUR WEASELS, AMERICA!

C'mon, this is a can't-miss new thread title!

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

BlackIronHeart posted:

Just a reminder for extra mind-fuckery: JimRob is almost certainly utilizing his VA medical benefits.

JimRob would've been dead or living in a box on the street and begging for nickles with a soup can in his hand decades ago without his VA benefits.

Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.



Zeroisanumber posted:

JimRob would've been dead or living in a box on the street and begging for nickles with a soup can in his hand decades ago without his VA benefits.

Yes but you see he earned those benefits unlike every single other veteranmoocher using those benefits.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Service guarantees citizenship

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Zeroisanumber posted:

JimRob would've been dead or living in a box on the street and begging for nickles with a soup can in his hand decades ago without his VA benefits.

And his "website maintenance" fees

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!
From a thread titled "My favorite sports board is full of libs", in which the OP complains about his favorite sports forum being full of people preaching the gospel of single payer,

quote:

To: ChicagoConservative27

I have the same problem with the Furry sites I hang out on.

So many liberal Furries.. it’s depressing.

11 posted on 3/24/2017, 3:04:20 PM by humblegunner

:yikes:

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Odds on getting zotted?

Hobnob
Feb 23, 2006

Ursa Adorandum

McGlockenshire posted:

From a thread titled "My favorite sports board is full of libs", in which the OP complains about his favorite sports forum being full of people preaching the gospel of single payer,


:yikes:

hardbeingconservativebrony.jpg, though I guess I don't know if bronies count as furries or not. (Do they? Not really a subject I've thought much about.)

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

I don't have time to really pick through this one for you, but I assure you it will yield a rich harvest of fetid horror:

Survey: 15 percent of women on UT campus report being raped (Austin, TX)

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Hobnob posted:

hardbeingconservativebrony.jpg, though I guess I don't know if bronies count as furries or not. (Do they? Not really a subject I've thought much about.)

Nope, related fandom with a lot of crossover. Both of them have an undercurrent of Anti-Skeleton Pepe lovers.

Literally Elvis
Oct 21, 2013

Zwabu posted:

I don't have time to really pick through this one for you, but I assure you it will yield a rich harvest of fetid horror:

Survey: 15 percent of women on UT campus report being raped (Austin, TX)

Was expecting most of these to be some variation of "it's all the Muslim students", but only because I forgot the more obvious "women falsely report rapes" horror show that Freep is extra fond of.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres

Zwabu posted:

I don't have time to really pick through this one for you, but I assure you it will yield a rich harvest of fetid horror:

Survey: 15 percent of women on UT campus report being raped (Austin, TX)

Welp. Got creepy.

quote:

“So this includes any sex when at least one person is too intoxicated to consent.”

Is that .08 or .25% ?

If she slurs a word, does she have to put her panties back on?

I suggest that as long as she is conscious, she has made an adult choice.

Besides, drunk girls are usually a lot more fun. And, oh, if you have daughters, tell them not to drink. They tend to lose their panties that way.

35 posted on 3/24/2017, 7:20:01 PM by Mariner (War Criminal #18)

Guessing a woman Freeper by the name; apparently not too big on solidarity...

quote:

The TV and elite-culture is telling girls that they can make a man stop by saying “no” at the last second.
We all know that's going to get her raped - except, she doesn't know it because we don't tell her the truth.

42 posted on 3/24/2017, 7:54:10 PM by donna (God's standards, like it or not, are the basis for the laws that led to western civilization.)

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

McGlockenshire posted:

From a thread titled "My favorite sports board is full of libs", in which the OP complains about his favorite sports forum being full of people preaching the gospel of single payer,


:yikes:

Lol, what the poo poo?

Hobnob posted:

hardbeingconservativebrony.jpg, though I guess I don't know if bronies count as furries or not. (Do they? Not really a subject I've thought much about.)

I think even furries despise them. Bronies are like a special kind of retard all their own. I mean you've got furries that start drawing Zootopia porn. But then you have Bronies that actively engage the creator and ask creepy poo poo

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Mar 25, 2017

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?

McGlockenshire posted:

From a thread titled "My favorite sports board is full of libs", in which the OP complains about his favorite sports forum being full of people preaching the gospel of single payer,


:yikes:

AHAHAHAHA

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

The weirdest are the confurderacy dudes or whatever. Flying ol Dixie in demonstrations, while in full fursuit.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
I mean once you actually fall into the brony category you're sort of definitionally an obsessive rear end in a top hat so it's not a surprise that even creepy weirdos don't really want you around.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

Welp. Got creepy.


Guessing a woman Freeper by the name; apparently not too big on solidarity...

There are some other choice posts in there imo

quote:

One in 6 has been assaulted while on campus? This woman is calling bs. Keep in mind, this survey came from uber lib UT where hairy arm pit lesbians rule, where women wave giant sex toys against campus carry and doctors say the campus has the highest rate of STDs.
Here's an idea, don't get drunk and high. And avoid Austin and UT like the plague.

1 posted on 3/25/2017, 12:20:56 AM by bgill

3rd post is when the first MRA appears, complete with puzzling creature at the top of his post. "http://www.collectoons.com/imgtoon/701/702/20100101_121507chode.gif". (Turns out he puts that at the start of all his posts and it's his screen name.)



Then come a lotta "Those girls are only lying bitches" posts that are p drat disgusting and that I won't c/p. Anyways, onwards.

quote:

To: Terry Mross
Men should not attend university. Nothing to learn.


11 posted on 3/25/2017, 12:36:44 AM by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)

quote:

Comment #16 Removed by Moderator

At first I was very surprised, figuring this would be about sex-ed and stuff like that but nope.

quote:

To: bgill
I'm starting to think that we are blaming the young for not knowing the vital things that we are not teaching them!
How are 18-year-old girls supposed to know the dangers of drinking at a party if we don't tell them?

Once they are raped and abused, the hatred and fear changes them into militant feminists who use treating people with respect to get revenge.

17 posted on 3/25/2017, 12:45:45 AM by donna (God's standards, like it or not, are the basis for the laws that led to western civilization.)

This one is actually almost reasonable ! :aaaaa:

quote:

To: bgill
“15 percent of women on UT campus report being raped”

I don’t doubt this at all. Our society is totally depraved. I used to think it was just the homosexuals, but I learned that a large segment of the population live like animals when it comes to sex.

Keep in mind that rape includes any nonconsensual sex. So this includes any sex when at least one person is too intoxicated to consent.

It also includes when sex continues any point after one person (usually a female in heterosexual sex) indicates a wish to stop. Such signals are not always clear.

How culpable is a rapist who did receive consent at one point but then consent was withdrawn during intercourse?

How culpable is a drunk man who has sex with a drunk woman who seemed to give consent at the time?

How about if the rapist is trying to get the victim drunk in order to get “consent”?

And there is a lot of real rape. There is a lot of coercion to have sex. There is a lot of drugging of people to have sex with them.

Yeah, 15% is a very reasonable estimate depending on where the demarcation line is for rape. And, from the conversations I’ve had with quite a number of rape and assault victims, I estimate this number is low for the percentage who’ve experienced this sometime in their lifetimes.

And men and boys are victims about as often as women and girls. But men are overwhelmingly the culprits.


18 posted on 3/25/2017, 12:46:15 AM by unlearner (So much winning !!! It's Trumptastic!)

Uh yeah freeper Gay State Conservative (:confused:), rape is often illegal, in fact.

quote:

To: bgill
Fifteen percent??? Yah,it seems likely that a small percentage of college guys might force themselves on a girl.Of course that's wrong....often illegal,in fact.But given the current climate on college campuses it seems distinctly possible that there are more than a few young women who believe that a "stolen kiss" (just to use one example) constitutes rape.
And there are *absolutely* people on campus...lesbians and others...who would be thrilled to announce that 98% of all college women in the country have been raped.

34 posted on 3/25/2017, 1:18:47 AM by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


God drat the idea of a girl who changes her mind the morning after is so terrible and it has such traction in people's heads :argh:

Like four months ago I found out my freshman year roommate had been in state prison for like four years for rape and ended up getting the conviction overturned because he got a retrial on a technicality and the case was much weaker without the girl, who I assume really didn't feel like reliving all of it four years later and didn't testify again.

He basically used this defense and it somehow worked the second time around despite the people testifying saying that she came in from outside crying with grass stains and blood

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
:stare:

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

SocketWrench posted:

Lol, what the poo poo?


I think even furries despise them. Bronies are like a special kind of retard all their own. I mean you've got furries that start drawing Zootopia porn. But then you have Bronies that actively engage the creator and ask creepy poo poo

Furries have been known to do that as well. According to one story I heard, one thing that tanked Tiny Toon Adventures was some crazy-rear end furry following Tress MacNeille around at public appearances, and the animators being sent all sorts of horrific furry fanart.

Sarcastr0
May 29, 2013

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE BILLIONAIRES ?!?!?

SocketWrench posted:

Lol, what the poo poo?

Humblegunner is a well known Freeper troll, thread policeman and (paying) friend of JimRob. He was probably joking.

He is full MRA 'never marry women be bitches' though.

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

Fathis Munk posted:

3rd post is when the first MRA appears, complete with puzzling creature at the top of his post. "http://www.collectoons.com/imgtoon/701/702/20100101_121507chode.gif". (Turns out he puts that at the start of all his posts and it's his screen name.)

It's a character from an "edgy" scifi series called Tripping the Rift. I'm shocked to discover that it has three freaking seasons.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

He's kinda stuck putting that in all his posts now, since otherwise his username is just chode without any context. Way to go.

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!
From Drudge gone lib??, a vanity thread posted by freeper bboop.

the OP posted:

So - the last few days, Drudge has really been annoying, to the point that I am starting to think I'll just not go there. Yesterday the headlines went on and on about what a disaster it was to Trump that the Health Care bill went down. I had just listened to Mark Levin, who had some 'on the other hand' way of looking at it, and I was very encouraged it had gone down.

I dropped them a note on the 'news tip' box, and it was gone next I looked.

The day before there was something else equally disparaging Trump, front and center, in bold headlines. I dropped a note, again, "You sound like CNN."

Pish, I can get crummy liberal news anywhere.

This ought to be a fun thread.

quote:

To: bboop

as much as a breath of fresh air Donald J. Trump is, he is not a God Emperor. Conservatives can disagree with him and that doesn’t make them liberals.

2 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:19:12 AM by ErikJohnsky

quote:

To: bboop

Yeah, I noticed that also. “Trump humiliated” and all that. Perhaps Drudge is just trying to be dramatic. Anyway, it’s over the top.

4 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:20:52 AM by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)

quote:

To: bboop

It prevented TrumpCare for sure. Whether that is a good thing for Trump or not, it was certainly a good thing for America. Now it is time to REPEAL and make that the official TrumpCare - free market driven buy your own care.

5 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:21:30 AM by sagar

quote:

To: bboop

The fact that Republicans with control of all three branches of government could not repeal/replace ObamaCare WAS a defeat for Trump and Ryan. Not sure what you want them to say.

6 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:22:39 AM by plain talk

I find it fascinating that they think that the Democratic party doesn't have internal factions. I wonder if they misinterpret willingness to compromise and negotiate as unity.

quote:

To: bboop

Some conservatives and moderate Republicans had problems wth Ryans approach for different reasons.....

That doesn’t make them a lib......

The Republican party is not a monolith like the Demoncrats....It’s a broad dysfunctional family.....

Drudge is still conservative...

7 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:22:59 AM by nevergore

quote:

To: bboop

I always get pissed when they use click bait anti Trump nyt,wapo,so, etc, stories in the Marquee, because those clicks just feed the left news sites. I usually will complain via their news tips box. I have noticed they have been better about not doing that so much. Maybe I got my point across.

9 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:23:44 AM by pacificus

This is some nice spin.

quote:

To: bboop

Drudge headlines are always a little on the hyperbolic side.

RyanCare or TrumpCare or whatever you want to call it didn't go down. It never came up for a vote so it's still alive.

If Ryan decides to repeal the phases it will probably pass with flying colors.

This thing smacked of Lucy enticing Charlie Brown to kick the football.

How many times are we going to fall for that?

10 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:23:45 AM by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)

quote:

To: sagar

How was this not the official trumpcare? He said he was 100% in support of it. Next up amnesty.. cuz.. we’re going to have to work something out on the dreamers.. then stimulus.. nuts.

11 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:24:00 AM by momincombatboots (pathway to citizenship... Amnesty history repeats. Walling Illegals In wasn't the idea moron!)

quote:

To: bboop

Drudge is right. The GOP had 8 years to get this right and completely bombed, leaving Trump holding the bag. Both moderates and conservative look like children with all the in-fighting.

13 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:25:07 AM by BruinX66

This is another interesting bit of spin. It ignores Trump moving on from healthcare reform entirely.

quote:

To: bboop

I believe Trump had a deal with Ryan and some the GOPe. Maybe it was support during the general election? I am not sure.

Trump gave the GOPe their opportunity to get it done. They failed. Trump, working with the GOPe and conservatives, will come back with a plan that will pass. Even democrats will eventually be forced to do something because the current program is crashing.

14 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:26:35 AM by boycott

quote:

To: bboop

drudge is trying to decide if he is a RINO or a democrat.

17 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:31:04 AM by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)


quote:

To: plain talk

I agree. There is no way for us to pretend this is a good thing for the Trump Administration. It looks like a Clusterfk or Republican civil war. No one wants to negotiate. Maybe all will appear differently in a few weeks.
We are needing some ‘Wins’, and needing them soon. I don’t know how any tax changes will go, if they are proposed at all. If I see big personnel changes, such as Ryan being quickly replaced, I will be encouraged. I’m very concerned that dangerous leeches such as Comey and his henchmen are still in charge of the FBI, when so many have publicly expressed their hatred for this president.

Matt is doing us a favor by occasionally kicking this administration in the rear end, and making them at least react to certain concerns of the general public, if not resolve them.
It was Matt Drudge who made and continues to make a big deal about the missing tax cuts; like where the hell are they?
I don’t know who to replace Ryan with. Newt is too spontaneous and burnt out. Gulianni is too old. I’ve thought of Bannon, but I don’t see him as a Management type.
Bannon is more a rowdy back bencher, who guilds by proxy.
I could be fully wrong. Priebus has strategic knowledge, but seems too weak for that Speaker role.
I guess Mitt is out of the question?

23 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:37:37 AM by lee martell

This was :stare: as gently caress until I read the username.

quote:

To: plain talk

The fact that Republicans with control of all three branches of government could not repeal/replace ObamaCare

Proves beyond a shadow of a doubt to even the dullest among us who hadn't already figured it out that our Government in DC is PROFOUNDLY broken and can only perpetuate itself, grow larger, never provide solutions, and only cause problems.

It's time for Trump to stop the nonsense and start ruling like a combination of Lincoln/Pinochet on steroids.

This is a National Emergency.


24 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:38:15 AM by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES)

quote:

To: bboop

I haven’t heard anyone say this yet, which is why it will show up ten times in previous writings after I’ve typed it, but Ryancare was Trump’s Bay of Pigs, his stupid move at the beginning of his Presidency. He either learns from it and plays out the remainder of his administration well, or reels from it and becomes the last gasp before the final instituting of American socialism. I pray for the former.

27 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:39:46 AM by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)

Seriously, take a look at those last two posts. The entire worldview of these assholes is broken from the beginning. There's no willingness to sit down and look at these hard problems and figure out something to improve the situation. If the solution doesn't match the ideological purity test, it's a non-starter.

quote:

To: BruinX66

“For the love of God, they don’t have 60 votes to do that. Meanwhile Obamacare stays in place.”

Please stop bullshitting me. How come they could send the repeal bills to Obama 6 times just to veto, but can’t do the same now that Trump is the prez. Just stop with lies. REPEAL!

29 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:44:26 AM by sagar

I'm pretty sure this is missing a /s.

quote:

To: heights

Trump backing Ryan and that GOPe Corporate handout Healthcare, deserved an ‘Humiliating” defeat.

Now the Freedom Caucus conservatives are free to get their superior plan passed through the House and Senate, right?

30 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:48:44 AM by jospehm20

Not having an extreme position is evil.

quote:

To: bboop

Who is to blame for the rino Ryan care disaster. President Trump or Speaker Ryan of Ryan Care lite? I blame the Ryan supporting rino moderates of Congress who are so evil as to not support the original plan of repealing without replacing obamacare . Are they taking bribes, is what I wonder.

The hate filled dem Congress passed health care and obamanaiton signed it into law. Rinos of this Congress love the evil government run health care as it lines their evil pockets,.The conservative coalition of Congress are the good guys and so very few in number now days, those who did not support the evil health care plan that the idiot Ryan wanted. President Trump needs to work with the conservatives who would not vote for rino ryan care, aka, obamacare lite. I am glad they failed to pass this horrible bill, repeal Obamancare fully and do not replace it with government subsidized benefiting insurance companies and return healthcare to the capitalists only and it will work.

31 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:50:33 AM by kindred (Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. Trump is helping make America great again.)

This post made me very, very angry.

quote:

To: Phil DiBasquette

Everyone bleating “repeal!” isn’t saying what will be done to a) make the premiums and costs actually go down re competition and b) explain how people who are benefited by 0care, whatever # that is will be impacted

Just yearning for socialism, aren’t you?

First of all, it isn’t gubmint job to ensure premium goes up or down. The free market decides. Eventually, free competition ensures true fair prices.

Regarding the freeloaders impacted by the repeal — that is the point. No more healthcare on taxpayers’ dime. Buy your own or do something to improve your health. You can’t throw money at problems. They need to get their fat asses and improve their own health.

32 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:50:39 AM by sagar

quote:

To: sagar

Well said. Repeal and do not replace and health care will recover. The original worked well and then DC dems wreaked it. The people suffer while the dem-rino coalition thrives on taxpayers backs. Horrible place, DC is truly a swamp of criminals.

38 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:57:04 AM by kindred (Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. Trump is helping make America great again.)

TIL that it tkaes "courage" and "principles" to sentence millions of people to bankruptcy or death by making healthcare unaffordable or unavailable to them.

quote:

To: bboop

I voted for Trump, I support him and I think he's on his way to one of the best presidencies in many decades - but that doesn't mean he gets immunity from criticism. No president should be immune to criticism - these guys get elected to work for us, they aren't there to be adored. Backing Ryan's Obamacare-lite was a terrible idea and it deserved to be defeated. Trump should never have gotten on board with Ryan's plan in the first place.

The GOP simply doesn't have the guts to repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing, reverting back to the same quality health care America had prior to 2010. Too many Republicans don't have the courage or the principles to face that.

49 posted on 3/25/2017, 9:15:52 AM by AnotherUnixGeek

I really, really don't like freeper sagar.

quote:

To: Phil DiBasquette

I just want the counter argument to the “24 million will lose coverage” line I am hearing every day”

Sounds like you’re not paying attention, genius.

I said earlier that the “tens of millions” or “24 million” DO NOT MATTER. The 350 million matter. Gubmint (backed by taxpayers) cannot subsidize that many people. Let them find out what is best for them AFTER the repeal. It is none of gubmint’s business to “help” them. Got it?

53 posted on 3/25/2017, 9:22:32 AM by sagar

quote:

To: spintreebob

The customer is the government. That’s the way obama wanted it and tge way Ryan wanted it. McConnell also. These two can’t come out and say that or they’ll be labeled socialists.

Trump could not fight them. They are too powerful.
Ryan’s plan that Trump had to go along with in order for Ryan to be put out of power by the people who hired him (the electorate -ostensibly) was Obamacare by another name.

Only now that the house’s stupid plan they whipped up after their candidate of choice, Hillary, was defeated, can Trump put together a plan that makes
economic sense.
He might not do that but he couldn’t do it until now. Ryan is a never Trumper Never means never.

I’m one of the few that sees this as a good thing so maybe I’m wrong.

I do think that people are way underestimating Trump as usual.
Ryan was never going to put together a good plan. And he was never going to work with Trump he hasn’t accepted Trump as president any more than any of those women in the nyc marche’ll e against Trump for eight years. Ryan doesnt care about the electorate or their health care any more than he cares about their wanting Trump as president

Do people forget that? Or had Ryan become a respectful person when I wasn’t looking?

54 posted on 3/25/2017, 9:22:55 AM by stanne

quote:

To: bboop

Trump on his worst day is 10 times better than a leftard on his best day.

Obviously, many of us want Trump to go much further. Fire, dismiss, demote, reassign, arrest, deport even greater numbers, dismantle, defund,reduce, deregulate..reform...REDUCE BIG GOVERNMENT.

DRAIN THE CESSPOOL!!!


57 posted on 3/25/2017, 9:29:46 AM by Leep (Cyclops Network News (CNN). The Most Trusted Source Of Fake News.)

There's a surprising amount of reality on freep lately. By a surprising amount, I mean one or two reasonable posts per thread. Way higher than usual.

quote:

To: bboop

Drudge doesn’t exist for self affirmation. The health care deal was a disaster. Most of them are buffoons on this issue. Trump supported a cornerstone bill that went against the people who voted for him.

61 posted on 3/25/2017, 9:34:06 AM by cornfedcowboy

That's an increidble amount of spin.

quote:

To: bboop

I thinking Matt is directing his criticism to Ryan, not Trump.

Ryan continues as a failure and the perception is that he tainted the President.

However, the Trump movement knows very well the President kept his promise and is keeping his promise. The bond with the voters is not broken, Thus, the President is intact.

69 posted on 3/25/2017, 10:16:13 AM by Hostage (Article V)

This is is an unprecedented intrusion of reality into freep. It can not be sustained.

quote:

To: stanne

Sorry stanne, you don’t get to cherry pick a few words and create your narrative...it was VERY clear from the call made to Robert Costa right after the vote that he is very disappointed in the Freedom Caucus and he knows it was their fault the bill went down..

Him also blaming the Democrats is just good politics.

Trump was VERY clear..he gave the FC almost everything that they wanted and it wasn’t good enough for them. He also made it known that they led him on until he gave them 80% of what they wanted and the still said no.

Stop deluding yourself about this...Trump blamed the Freedom Caucus right away and he did it loud and clear, which is why all the DC and national news outlets are running the same theme ... “the ultra conservative Freedom Caucus killed the bill”...that’s what is running on CNN and that is what’s running on my local cable news.


He also made it VERY clear that the next bill he puts up will not include all the demands from the FC but will be a bipartisan bill.

Congratulations Freedom Caucus...you won the battle to lose the war!!


71 posted on 3/25/2017, 10:35:48 AM by MaxistheBest (...)

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!
Read that last post I quoted, then put on a neck brace. You're about to get some whiplash from this headline.

From RyanCare Fail: Big Victory for House Freedom Caucus posted by freeper Kaslin

It's a Townhall article and it's mostly poo poo.

quote:

To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

It might be spun as a Freedom Caucus victory. It pretty much said that conservative concerns have to be addressed.

It could be spun as a defeat, if the GOP leadership now writes them off and decides to cross the aisle.

6 posted on 3/25/2017, 6:03:24 AM by Daveinyork

Again, the opposition is evil.

quote:

To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

Perhaps a pyrrhic victory except that we have not lost the ability to fight unless you consider the loss of Ryan critical to our fighting ability. I don’t. He gave us a sell out bill that would have destroyed the conservative majority. We are well rid of this trash. The establishment’s insistence upon keeping the health industry squarely in the hands of government bureaucrats is the real and true war.
Obamacare is a foundational part of the conversion from a Constitutional to a top-down socialist government. The evil forces in DC will not allow health-care to be returned to the private sector. I am not at all certain Trump understands this.

9 posted on 3/25/2017, 6:11:00 AM by Louis Foxwell (The Left has the temperament of a squealing pig.)

I'm really, really surprised at how many freepers are starting to throw the HFC under the bus.

quote:

To: Kaslin

If the freedom caucus’s goal is to be “the party of no” then it was a win.
If not, they need to figure out how to either
1) convince others to accept their (and my) ideas & preferences
2) negotiate with the rest of the party (includes compromise if option 1 failed)


It’s likely that Ryan just totally bungled this, and future legislation will be handled different. It’s still not a victory for anyone.

They still have moderates that need to be persuaded or negotiated with. If you call this a victory, you’d have to call it a victory if this year results in
1) No tax reform bill
2) No immigration reform legislation (includes funding the wall)
3) No good budget bills
4) An Omnicrap budget at the end of the year

All the big legislation has moderates opposed to the freedom caucus. Nothing will happen if both ends of the party are unable to persuade the other and unwilling to compromise.

If it’s easier to pull 30 Ds from the crazy party than 30 Rs from the freedom caucus, Trump will try that approach.

10 posted on 3/25/2017, 6:13:07 AM by LostPassword

Wow. 2016 regdate, probably a zotted NeverTrumper.

quote:

To: Kaslin

I respectfully disagree, there are so many reasons why:

* Trump and the GOP campaigned on solving the problem, they have not

* Saying we will wait for it to “explode” sounds good, but it’s not viewed as leadership


* No matter what happens with Obamacare, the apparent assumption is that the Dems would be blamed (they never will) and that suddenly the Dems will be willing to work with Trump and Ryan to pass this bill (it will never happen)

* This was a massive political miscalculation which will now constrain the size of the individual and business tax cuts.

* Many here keep saying, replacing Obamacare with Ryan care is just Obamacare lite. Perhaps that is true to some degree. But I’d rather have Obamacare lite with an HHS secretary able to scuttle it for 8 years than lose my momentum, lose the size of the tax cut, lose the image of a great deal maker, bolster the dem base, deflate the gop base. This was very shortsighted.

* I love to stand on principle too. However, the pragmatic view is that this is most likely as conservative a government you will see for the rest of your life. This arrangement of government will not last Trump’s entire administration. We might get 4 years of it.

* Stating this is 4D Chess move to get rid of Ryan is crazy. I’m no fan of Ryan, but Trump would not accept failure on a major campaign promise during his first 100 days to possibly get rid of Ryan.

12 posted on 3/25/2017, 6:16:11 AM by RightInTheMain

Wow. 2001 regdate.

quote:

To: Kaslin

This was a big “F%^K YOU GO AWAY” to the American people from the scumbags in the Freedom Caucus.

Question: WHAT HAS THE FREEDOM CAUCUS EVER DONE FOR US? We now know what this bunch of “conservatives” has done TO US but what have they ever done FOR US?


For me they remind me of why I am no longer a Republican.

15 posted on 3/25/2017, 6:29:12 AM by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)

Have the neck brace on still? Now find your :tinfoil:

quote:

To: Kaslin

Spot on, I’d call this a switch and bait that is Ryancare is still a lighter version of DUMBOCARE.

Nor did they divorce themselves from Big Pharma, (greasing palms) lawyers, lobbyist (former congress critters) and Ins companies. NO ONE LISTEN TO THE PATIENTS or PEOPLE. It was a total SHAM. And deserved to die. Or use the Stevens Act to break up Big Pharma and Big ins companies that dominate health care and set prices on every thing. Until we get all former congress out of the picture forever will still have Quid Pro Quo, you grease my hand I’ll grease yours.

Yes there needs to be protection for pre-existing health issues with in a insurance pool, slightly higher premiums and co-pay, as they need more health care. They didn’t ask for what put them in a wheel chair, bedridden or what disease they have, genes, chem exposures, having your limbs blown off in Iraq or Afghanistan or your guts damaged for life, a lot more goes into having a Chronic Illness, much of it brought into the USA via Refugees and Illegals.

This latest mumps vaccine was a failure. FDA needs reforming. They leave bad drugs on the market. Take Nexium it’s a blooming 2-4 week drug, NEVER should have gone OTC. Take it to long and you get OP brittle bones, it is a bone destruction drug. ALL OP drugs for that are FDA Flagged for some nasty reasons A-Fib is only 1. Forteo also has a Black Box warning which is the highest, for Bone Cancer, and the FDA hides the death stats in the broken hip death complications stats.

I’ve been doing a lot of research on those drugs as the first low dose of Fosamax sent me to the ER with A-FIB the doc NEVER WARNED ME ABOUT, and my 16 yr old grand daughter developed RA and Fibromyalgia after she had the Gardasil vaccine. I is not really a HPV vaccine, but A STD which is why they are pushing it on boys. The Vaccine covers 8 of the nearly 40 strains, Gardasil NONE should have gone to market. Docs don’t are poorly educated on drugs, they rely on a sales rep for their info, instead of doing their home work on it.

Two of the worst health care plans are Medicare and Military..Tricare Prime and Life, ALL are RATIONED/FIXED/RESTRICTED, right down to where you purchase your meds is dictated by the Feds.

Study: Senate Can Repeal Obamacare’s Regulations through Reconciliation, with Only 51 Votes
hxxps://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/study-senate-can-repeal-obamacares-regulations-through-reconciliation-only

WARNINGS OP DRUGS Kidney failure deaths, A Fib, Jaw Degeneration and A Typical Femur Fractures
Reclast has the highest warning.

Reclast UPS kidney failure, A FIB risk. Not to be given to Asthma patients.
hxxp://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/news/20110901/fda-osteoporsis-drug_ups-kidney-failure-risk

Safety update for osteoporosis drugs, bisphosphonates, and atypical femur fractures, A FIB, Jaw Degeneration, Kidney failure deaths.
hxxp://www.fda.gov/drugs/drugsafety/drugsafetypodcasts/ucm229800.htm

Black box warning Foreto
hxxp://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=21853

JAMA report
hxxp://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/jama.html

Gardasil Vaccine & the Damage Done
hxxp://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/HPV/gabrielle.aspx

The Gardasil Problem: How The U.S. Lost Faith In A Promising Vaccine
hxxp://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/04/04/americas-gardasil-problem-how-politics-poisons-public-health/#5628c4937273

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Vaccine Empire on Trial in India
hxxps://healthimpactnews.com/2014/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-vaccine-empire-on-trial-in-india/

Bill Gates - Ebola, Death and Vaccines: Add In WHO, PATH, GAVI, UNICEF, Merck, GSK
hxxp://exopolitics.blogs.com/ebolagate/2014/10/bill-gates-ebola-death-and-vaccines-add-in-who-path-gavi-unicef-merck-gsk-.html

Bill Gates took part in criminally negligent vaccine experiments on poor Indian children
hxxp://www.vaccines.news/2016-06-22-bill-gates-took-part-in-criminally-negligient-vaccine-experiments-on-poor-indian-children.html

Gardasil Vaccine: Spain Joins Growing List of Countries to File Criminal Complaints
hxxps://healthimpactnews.com/2014/gardasil-vaccine-spain-joins-growing-list-of-countries-to-file-criminal-complaints/

Why the Kennedy-De Niro Vaccine Challenge Matters
hxxps://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-the-kennedy-de-niro-vaccine-challenge-matters/

hxxp://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/health/autism-brain-changes-mri-early-diagnosis-study/index.html

Bill Gates and George Soros fund Monsanto and a world depopulation agenda
hxxp://www.naturalnews.com/054899_eugenics_GMO_Bill_Gates.html

Bill Gates, Monsanto, and eugenics: How one of the world’s wealthiest men is actively promoting a corporate takeover of global agriculture
hxxp://www.naturalnews.com/035105_Bill_Gates_Monsanto_eugenics.html

22 posted on 3/25/2017, 6:47:46 AM by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
Freepers: Bill_Gates_Monsanto_eugenics.html

The narrative is still strong with this one.

quote:

To: Kaslin

RyanCare Fail: Big Victory for House Freedom Caucus

My take is that Trump is a Big Picture Guy - he laid out what he wanted and then trusted Ryan to do his job by putting it in a bill and rallying and managing a coalition to get it through the House. Despite the fact that everyone wanted Healthcare reform, he failed miserably on ALL points!

Now Tax reform takes the stage, and because Healthcare Reform fell on it's face, there will be the tendency to want to rush this through to get a victory. Some salient points:

The Groundwork must be laid early, by recruiting a coalition, who then can recruit other members. NOT depending on the immature "Speaker" who has few allies and who throws something together, keeps it secret, and refuses to make changes because it hurts his ego.

Don't expect the dems to sign on, no matter how good the plan is. The strategy under Pelosi and Schumky Schumer is to oppose EVERYTHING Trump does, even if the Country suffers. The Deep State strategy is to make him fail and possibly get him to resign.

Don't trust, or count on Ryan for ANYTHING. His loyalties are suspect, he's immature, not respected or well liked, and a total incompetent. I can't think of a single thing he's managed and gotten through, even with a GOP majority.

23 posted on 3/25/2017, 6:52:40 AM by The Sons of Liberty (Todays Media - Report the TRUTH and acts of TREASON and get fired. Ask Judge Napolitano.)

quote:

To: Kaslin

This is no victory for anyone. There bill presented yesterday was not in the final form it would have been after going through the Senate and conference committee. Nobody really knows what the bill would have been in final form. Probably worse? Who knows, but after going throughout the total process was the time to approve or kill it. My opinion is the so-called “Freedom Caucus” is afraid to take any responsibility in governing the country. By opposing everything they can continue to criticize everything, therefore;they can not be held responsible for law one way or another.

30 posted on 3/25/2017, 7:17:19 AM by Jay Redhawk (Diversity for the sake of diversity is just flat out stupidity.)

quote:

To: Kaslin

Some freepers here sound like Mitt Romney or Karl Rove uniparty-ish wailing and gnashing of teeth. Or a press release from the soros group Indivisible.

The House Freedom Caucus is a die hard group of libertarian conservatives who banded together to stop the “same old, same old” uniparty way of expanding government. I am glad they stood firm and killed this awful 3-phase plan. They are true patriots. Yes, they reluctantly voted for Ryan as speaker. (I talked in person to my congress critter, a founding member. He said they were willing to give him one more shot, period. I also talked to him about this obama care lite thing—he and others were in a tough place—told him it was a very tough decision, but I support him no matter what he does on it.)

Obama care lite: Step 1 did nothing big. Step 2 would have been court-bound and tied up for 2 years as every liberal group sues over Tom Price’s decisions. Step 3 would never come, as it would just die in the senate when everyone’s distracted 2 years from now.

They all ran on complete repeal. Hold their feet to the fire. Do it in the house, send to the senate, then melt the phones. Mitch (rhymes with...) would be forced (for example) to change the filibuster rules to make them actually filibuster instead of just raising their hand. Actually,current rules allow them to limit debate in an actual filibuster right now. I believe each senator can be limited to one (possibly two) actual floor speech per session on a given matter. There are other alternatives available as well, go nuclear for example. Mitch just doesn’t currently have the balls. Force his hand, or remove him.

Ryan needs to be replaced as speaker. If that comes out of this, we won bigly. Trey would be great, for example. Anyone but the perfumed prince backstabbing never-trumper-won’t-work-weekends beta male we now have.

This is what needs to be done:

First, replace Ryan. Period. Strike while the iron is hot, and strike with everything. I’ll be melting the phones on this. It’s our great chance to remove this asshat.

Second, pull all the current exemptions. All of them. Force all the exempt friends of dems onto Obamacare, en mass. Unions, half of Nevada, etc. all exempt. Friends of dems, all. No exemptions for anyone. Current law allows removing exemptions, no problem. Then Obamacare will be radioactive and people from all sides will scream for its repeal. Make it fail by implementing it in full.

Third, pass a clean repeal in the House, with an effective date 4 months after passing. It starts the timer and forces the beta males in charge to do it right. Tort reform, selling across state lines, block grants, etc. Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads.

Fourth, force the senate to get with the program and stop the “60 votes or nothing” game. Put them on the spot, force individual senators to state their positions. Put the blinding glare spotlight squarely on them.

It will get done using this plan.

34 posted on 3/25/2017, 7:41:08 AM by Basket_of_Deplorables (Drone Soros and sons!!!)

This is a pretty good summary, yeah.

quote:

To: Edward.Fish

‘repeal and replace’ = ‘comprehensive immigration reform’

39 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:19:16 AM by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")

I'm out of time, but I suggest someone cover Disgusting: The Freedom Caucus Saves Obamacare Again for yet more disagreement about the HFC.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Yes. Yessss! turn on everyone!

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

McGlockenshire posted:

My opinion is the so-called “Freedom Caucus” is afraid to take any responsibility in governing the country. By opposing everything they can continue to criticize everything, therefore;they can not be held responsible for law one way or another.

Uh oh, they're beginning to catch on!

Also

quote:

Now Tax reform takes the stage, and because Healthcare Reform fell on it's face, there will be the tendency to want to rush this through to get a victory.

Hadn't considered this. Considering how part of the reason that Trumpcare fell on its face is due to the needlessly rushed process, this doesn't bode well for their tax reform either.

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012
I feel a bit out of the loop, can anyone explain to a person who has never been to US how healthcare worked in America before the ACA and how it works now?

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
^ Before AHA you had two routes. The first you could go get treatment uninsured, but it would put you in debt for the next six generations. Or you could go through an insurer that would split the bill with you, usually 50%-75% depending on your plan/needs. BUT your insurer could drop you at any time for any reason if you became too much of a cost issue or flat out deny you if you had pre-existing conditions. Often your plans weren't really cheap, but they were still a better option then none. Insurance companies also regulated what treatment you got, often whatever was the cheapest. Lucky people got plans through their employer.
After AHA you have to be insured or pay a fine every year when you pay taxes, all employers except for small operations have to offer insurance, and insurance providers cannot refuse you or dump you if you become expensive. It basically encourages everyone to be insured and forces insurers not to be profit scumbags that choose money over someone's health (You know, sorta like death panels that conservatives claimed the AHA would be).

McGlockenshire posted:

To: bboop

as much as a breath of fresh air Donald J. Trump is, he is not a God Emperor. Conservatives can disagree with him and that doesn’t make them liberals.

2 posted on 3/25/2017, 8:19:12 AM by ErikJohnsky

Remember a month ago when sedition like this would bring down the ire of all of freep and almost a ban?

Stop the winning guys, us losers can only take so much defeat, lol

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 25, 2017

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

HappyHippo posted:

Hadn't considered this. Considering how part of the reason that Trumpcare fell on its face is due to the needlessly rushed process, this doesn't bode well for their tax reform either.

Considering how lots of his stupid poo poo has fallen on its face because it was rushed....There's his appointees, this bill, the 2 attempted muslim bans, all of his "businessman negotiations".

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

Aumanor posted:

I feel a bit out of the loop, can anyone explain to a person who has never been to US how healthcare worked in America before the ACA and how it works now?

Prior to the ACA, health insurance was generally unavailable to individuals, but this varied by state. You generally had to get insurance through your employer, but employers did not have to offer insurance as a benefit. The insurance industry established lifetime benefit caps and it was legal to turn away people if they had existing health conditions. Healthcare has become artificially, absurdly expensive and profit-driven. Simple medical conditions could easily bankrupt people without insurance.

The ACA prevents insurance companies from establishing care limits and requires coverage of things like preexisting conditions, hospitalization, and drugs. It mandates that states set up a local marketplace for individuals to buy insurance as a group. States may instead choose to use a federally-powered exchange. States may also opt in to expanded federal funds for medicaid/medicare (I forget which, maybe both?), and may also opt in for subsidies to lower income folks. In order to ensure that private insurance companies don't go bankrupt from suddenly having to pay for sick people, it is now mandatory to be covered by insurance. Because those two programs are opt-in, heavily red states lead by Republicans with the toxic ideal that all government is bad government tended to opt-out. Those are the states getting hit by the worst rate increases. Almost all of the real stories about the ACA being a disaster come from the states that don't actually implement the ACA as intended. When you see stories about thousands of counties with only one provider, those are from red states that opted out of everything, with rural low density populations.

The individual mandate is the thing that almost everyone is upset with, but without the mandate, the insurance industry can not offer comprehensive coverage and the actual good parts of the ACA have to be thrown out. Ryan's plan was to remove the mandate but allow insurance companies to add surcharges for newly insured people that went without insurance for a period of time. This would cause people that don't want to or can't pay insurance out of pocket to leave the system. With fewer people in the system to spread the cost of healthcare around, things will only get worse.

Neither the ACA nor Ryan's plan attempt to actually drive down the real cost of healthcare. Republicans can't attack the actual healthcare cost issue without oversight and regulation of the industry, things that they are ideologically opposed to. Instead, they believe that the unregulated free market will fix everything, something that we have mountains of evidence against.

Adopting price controls and establishing single payer like the entire rest of the goddamn civilized world is the only way out of this mess.

McGlockenshire fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Mar 25, 2017

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

SocketWrench posted:

Remember a month ago when sedition like this would bring down the ire of all of freep and almost a ban?

Stop the winning guys, us losers can only take so much defeat, lol

Also lol at the op of that. "I think Drudge is liberal because he doesn't suck Barnacle Jim Trump's dick enough."

Peak shallow tribalism

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

SocketWrench posted:

Considering how lots of his stupid poo poo has fallen on its face because it was rushed....There's his appointees, this bill, the 2 attempted muslim bans, all of his "businessman negotiations".

Yeah, although I think this one is more so on Ryan, who really is more responsible for this whole process, from the behind-closed-doors drafting of the bill, to the half-assed unveiling, to ramming through the committees, and the rushed vote in an attempt to push it through before anyone could really have a look at it. It was a terrible strategy. One wonders how he's going to approach tax reform now given this. You'd think he'd want to take it slower, bit he'll want to get a quick "win" too.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

HappyHippo posted:

Yeah, although I think this one is more so on Ryan, who really is more responsible for this whole process, from the behind-closed-doors drafting of the bill, to the half-assed unveiling, to ramming through the committees, and the rushed vote in an attempt to push it through before anyone could really have a look at it. It was a terrible strategy. One wonders how he's going to approach tax reform now given this. You'd think he'd want to take it slower, bit he'll want to get a quick "win" too.

You know the answer to this. There's a old saying regarding casino gambling, "scared money never wins".

Trump AND Ryan are gonna be the guy who just lost his kids' college money at the craps table, now he's going to chase after that money by putting the mortgage on red at the roulette table.

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Yes. Yessss! turn on everyone!

Between this and wanting Infowars unbanned I'm hoping this becomes the moment where the monster JimRob created moves out of his control, to the point where Freep turns on their creator and declares him to be not ideologically pure enough. In reality JimRob won't tolerate an iota of dissent and another mass purge would take place, but the idea that Frankenstein would play out in Freepville is too entertaining to not at least consider.

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

Zwabu posted:

You know the answer to this. There's a old saying regarding casino gambling, "scared money never wins".

Trump AND Ryan are gonna be the guy who just lost his kids' college money at the craps table, now he's going to chase after that money by putting the mortgage on red at the roulette table.

If Ryan drops the ball on taxes that's got to be it for him as speaker, no? No way they keep him on after two massive failures like that I feel. Then the real fun begins.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Lol forever at bannon trying to browbeat congressmen and getting told to eat poo poo. He only wishes it was a dictatorship, but it's still the mob rule he rode into the house.

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Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

HappyHippo posted:

If Ryan drops the ball on taxes that's got to be it for him as speaker, no? No way they keep him on after two massive failures like that I feel. Then the real fun begins.

Will they even be able to find another speaker? As I recall they had a devil of a time filling the position last time and I doubt the outrage over Trumpcare/Ryancare is making it any more attractive.

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