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Throatwarbler posted:Mosul operations suspended after hundreds of civilians killed in air strike. Mr. President, please stop, we can't take all these mountains of civilian corpses. We have so many mountains of civilian corpses that we are tired of mountains of civilian corpses.
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Mar 26, 2017 02:23
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Throatwarbler posted:Mosul operations suspended after hundreds of civilians killed in air strike. Good loving job you orange piece of poo poo.
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Mar 26, 2017 02:48
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WarpedNaba posted:Dang, just what we need. This is what Trump and Bannon are actually saying to themselves, for the record.
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Mar 26, 2017 03:12
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Al-Saqr posted:Fascist Animals is a pretty good descriptor for anyone who supports or fights for Assad. Some don't have a choice.
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Mar 26, 2017 04:41
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Human Grand Prix posted:Some don't have a choice. They all had a choice. They picked fascism.
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Mar 26, 2017 04:42
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Volkerball posted:They all had a choice. They picked fascism. Hmm execution or fascism. Sorry id pick fascism. Westerners seem tothink anythin g less than 1 millio people dead is just water under the bridge
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Mar 26, 2017 04:44
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LeoMarr posted:Hmm execution or fascism. And you'd be more of a coward than most Syrians for it.
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Mar 26, 2017 04:50
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Mar 26, 2017 04:51
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Perhaps Volkerball would like to go into Syria, make that choice, and then come back and tell us how easy it was?
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Mar 26, 2017 04:59
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WarpedNaba posted:Perhaps Volkerball would like to go into Syria, make that choice, and then come back and tell us how easy it was? I didn't say it was an easy choice. Just that they had a choice, and they chose to collaborate with a fascist to save their own asses. If there's consequences for that, 
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Mar 26, 2017 05:01
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Brother Friendship posted:Mr. President, please stop, we can't take all these mountains of civilian corpses. We have so many mountains of civilian corpses that we are tired of mountains of civilian corpses. I think this was already mentioned, but based on other articles it looks like the airstrike blew up a massive car bomb that leveled the block. Unlike the mosque bombing in Idlib, this wasn't a targeting error, per se. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-idUSKBN16U2OF
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Mar 26, 2017 06:06
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Volkerball posted:And you'd be more of a coward than most Syrians for it. choosing to live is not cowardice hth
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Mar 26, 2017 06:09
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trading freedom for temporary security is both cowardly and extremely dumb though.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:22
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Truga posted:trading freedom for temporary security is both cowardly and extremely dumb though. nobody traded freedom for temporary security, because freedom wasn't a choice. the choices were Al Quaeda or Assad
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Mar 26, 2017 06:32
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This is true, Syrian rebels don't exist, Assad was just bombing empty cities.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:35
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OctaMurk posted:nobody traded freedom for temporary security, because freedom wasn't a choice. the choices were Al Quaeda or Assad Al Qaeda was nothing in Syria for a solid year after protests broke out. The regime was massacring innocent people and calling them jihadists after the fact. It was transparent bullshit, but people chose to believe it. Just as they chose to believe that it's a legitimate election where a candidate wins 99% of the vote, that it's ok for people to be detained, tortured, and executed for criticizing the president, and that it's fine if the economy exists solely to empower Assad's family.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:43
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Truga posted:This is true, Syrian rebels don't exist, Assad was just bombing empty cities. Syrian rebels is an alternative name for Al Quaeda-lite. The majority of the rebel's combat power was never provided by people who wanted freedom or democracy.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:46
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OctaMurk posted:Syrian rebels is an alternative name for Al Quaeda-lite. The majority of the rebel's combat power was never provided by people who wanted freedom or democracy. The FSA was formed by military defectors, op.
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OctaMurk posted:Syrian rebels is an alternative name for Al Quaeda-lite. The majority of the rebel's combat power was never provided by people who wanted freedom or democracy. Just like theres been no True Communist state right
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Mar 26, 2017 06:51
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Since Trump took office, American air strikes have killed more innocent civilians in Iraq and Syria than Russia has. For context, we used to regularly deny 1/2 the bombing missions that the PYD or Iraqis called out due to the possibility of civilian casualties.
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Mar 26, 2017 07:50
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TildeATH posted:See a doctor, for real. I have, you ableist rear end in a top hat. My behaviour doesn't harm anyone or myself nor is it noticeable, and it isn't logically a stupid thing to do, so gently caress you, you stigmatizing simpleton. See one yourself.
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Mar 26, 2017 07:52
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Volkerball posted:I didn't say it was an easy choice. Just that they had a choice, and they chose to collaborate with a fascist to save their own asses. If there's consequences for that, How can somebody be such a piece of trash. In an alternative timeline Volkerball would have found a happy livelihood overseeing the deportation of Soviet POWs to gulags after the war for collaborating with the enemy.
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Mar 26, 2017 10:10
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Re: the video of the TOW strike last page, what is generally the explosive weight and composition of what they're using?
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Mar 26, 2017 10:19
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Al-Saqr posted:Fascist Animals is a pretty good descriptor for anyone who supports or fights for Assad. As long as we get to call the rebels Islamist Animals.
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Mar 26, 2017 11:59
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Dr.Radical posted:Re: the video of the TOW strike last page, what is generally the explosive weight and composition of what they're using? about 3 kilograms of explosive, but there's no fragmentation so the effectiveness reduces quickly with distance from the impact point
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Mar 26, 2017 12:05
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Maybe US airstrikes over mosul are suspended, but the ISF ground offensive is back on track after a couple of quiet days https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/status/845963457413435392 https://twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/845969579239202816 https://twitter.com/BowenBBC/status/845916058515058688 Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Mar 26, 2017 12:47
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Sergg posted:Since Trump took office, American air strikes have killed more innocent civilians in Iraq and Syria than Russia has. ISIS is also claiming coalition bombing caused damage to systems at Tabqa Dam and prevents their engineers from reaching the site, meaning it might collapse. There's definitely been bombing there, but ISIS is obviously unreliable.
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Mar 26, 2017 12:47
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Brown Moses posted:ISIS is also claiming coalition bombing caused damage to systems at Tabqa Dam and prevents their engineers from reaching the site, meaning it might collapse. There's definitely been bombing there, but ISIS is obviously unreliable. Yeah, Aamaq says the dam could collapse at any moment, but that is what they would say regardless of the condition the dam was in, I guess other sources back up parts of the claim https://twitter.com/sarahussein/status/845961459607748608
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Mar 26, 2017 12:54
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Volkerball posted:They all had a choice. They picked fascism. How do you square this attitude with your own choice to go into Iraq and take part in that crime?
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Mar 26, 2017 12:56
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Al-Saqr posted:Fascist Animals is a pretty good descriptor for anyone who supports or fights for Assad. There are alas, plenty of fascist animals in the Middle East. Assadists. Trumpists. Israeli colonists. Those taking part in or supporting the on-going genocide in Yemen.
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Mar 26, 2017 12:59
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Bohemian Nights posted:Yeah, Aamaq says the dam could collapse at any moment, but that is what they would say regardless of the condition the dam was in, I guess I got some recent imagery of the dam, seems there's been no direct damage https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/845946067325767681 This place got blown to pieces, it's just south of the dam https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/845948525238202369 https://twitter.com/elemcee69/status/845956165876027393
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Mar 26, 2017 13:05
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Mar 26, 2017 13:38
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mediadave posted:How do you square this attitude with your own choice to go into Iraq and take part in that crime? I didn't deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan, but that was a matter of circumstance. In the time period when I would have gone, I would've either been fighting what became ISIS, or fighting the Taliban. I didn't have any moral issues with doing either, being the jihadist sympathizer that I am. The war crimes being committed back then were mostly at an individual level rather than at an institutional level. You had soldiers who thought killing anyone, to include unarmed noncombatants, made them a badass. Or that if they didn't kill anyone, they weren't doing the job "they signed up for." So you had situations like Haditha and the kill teams where soldiers took it upon themselves to go and murder civilians. At a lower, more common level, you had guys chuckling about throwing gatorade bottles of piss at Iraqi kids and things like that to dehumanize the civilians. I never bought into all of that poo poo, so I don't consider myself part of that problem, although I did see soldiers with that attitude while I was in. I felt like I could be somewhat of a counterweight to that, and would have support in doing so because the mission was to win hearts and minds and build stable militaries and governments. The jackasses taking shots at old men in wheelchairs were directly undermining that mission, and as a result, were empowering groups like ISIS. But I had to change jobs due to hearing loss, so I never ended up going. In the end, the jackasses were pretty successful. But more in line with what happened in Syria, had protesters back home started protesting about regulatory capture and then been gunned down, sparking a civil war in which I was obligated to fight on behalf of the army against US citizens, I would've defected or died trying, no question about it. It's easier to do that when you are young and don't have a family, but if I had been in a situation where I had made the determination to collaborate to protect my own family, I wouldn't expect, or want your sympathy. I'd probably welcome death at that point, and it wouldn't be undeserved when it came.
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OctaMurk posted:choosing to live is not cowardice hth That's not what Hamlet said...
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Ben Norton supported Trump because he was so afraid of Hillary, so he can stfu. This is the world he wanted.
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Volkerball posted:I didn't deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan, but that was a matter of circumstance. In the time period when I would have gone, I would've either been fighting what became ISIS, or fighting the Taliban. I didn't have any moral issues with doing either, being the jihadist sympathizer that I am. The war crimes being committed back then were mostly at an individual level rather than at an institutional level. You had soldiers who thought killing anyone, to include unarmed noncombatants, made them a badass. Or that if they didn't kill anyone, they weren't doing the job "they signed up for." So you had situations like Haditha and the kill teams where soldiers took it upon themselves to go and murder civilians. At a lower, more common level, you had guys chuckling about throwing gatorade bottles of piss at Iraqi kids and things like that to dehumanize the civilians. I never bought into all of that poo poo, so I don't consider myself part of that problem, although I did see soldiers with that attitude while I was in. I felt like I could be somewhat of a counterweight to that, and would have support in doing so because the mission was to win hearts and minds and build stable militaries and governments. The jackasses taking shots at old men in wheelchairs were directly undermining that mission, and as a result, were empowering groups like ISIS. But I had to change jobs due to hearing loss, so I never ended up going. In the end, the jackasses were pretty successful. You wouldn't say starting an illegal war was an institutional war crime? And you wouldn't say that allowing the individual abuses to take place by starting the war should ultimately be blamed on the leadership and institutions?
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Grads hit AL Quaboun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAutXAORLUU
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Why didnt isis detonate more dams? Seems like a pretty great weapon of mass destruction
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