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Hollismason posted:The big secret of the film will be that Major was Asian before she got her generic white woman body. Might read back a page or two. It's not a secret anymore.
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Hollismason posted:The big secret of the film will be that Major was Asian before she got her generic white woman body. Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Hanka/Section 9 are the bad guys, and "Motoko Kusanagi" and "Mira" are actually two completely different characters who assume the same title "Major." Somewhere along the line, it will be rendered explicit that the evil corporation literally took an Asian woman's brain and put it into a cyber-white woman's body.
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So ScarJo is literally playing a character who, within the logic of the movie itself, is Asian. This is hilarious. This even tops those "CGI Yellowface" leaks.
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Mar 26, 2017 05:07
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Actually, Johansson is literally playing the titular Shell.
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Mar 26, 2017 05:35
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Reverse Banana the Movie.
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Yup. Lookin' forward to watching this on FX on a Saturday afternoon in about a year.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Actually, Johansson is literally playing the titular Shell. she does have the titties
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we barely have any big female stars who can do action nowadays, let alone asian ones that an american audience knows
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Zzulu posted:we barely have any big female stars who can do action nowadays, let alone asian ones that an american audience knows
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Zzulu posted:we barely have any big female stars who can do action nowadays, let alone asian ones that an american audience knows How can poor Hollywood, an institution renowned for its inability to groom someone for an action movie and put their name all over the place, ever hope to overcome this.
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Hollismason posted:The big secret of the film will be that Major was Asian before she got her generic white woman body.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Sounds like it could be a good twist/idea depending on how they execute it.
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Neo Rasa posted:How can poor Hollywood, an institution renowned for its inability to groom someone for an action movie and put their name all over the place, ever hope to overcome this. Yeah, it's utterly hilarious the Hollywood logic about "We had to go with ScarJo becuz there's no Asian leads that are a box office draw" when GITS would have been the perfect format for that. There's no Asian leads because you fucks keep denying them the chance. BTW, I forgot that, before Johannsen was chosen, Margot Robbie was in the running for Major. It's obvious that they didn't go with her because she wasn't a big name, even after Wolf Of Wall Street, so they blew a bunch of their budget getting ScarJo. Then Suicide Squad opened and Robbie's career has exploded (like everyone with a brain knew it would) and here I'm thinking that Universal hosed themselves by not going with her first, because they could have rode that poo poo to the bank and spent that money elsewhere. Echo Chamber posted:No, it's pretty dumb Reposting this from earlier in the thread since no one wants to go back... [spoiler]   
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We can rebuild the bed - larger, flatter, less comfortable.
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, it's utterly hilarious the Hollywood logic about "We had to go with ScarJo becuz there's no Asian leads that are a box office draw" when GITS would have been the perfect format for that. There's no Asian leads because you fucks keep denying them the chance. Margot Robbie apparently turned it down. Much like Black Widow it seems Scarlett makes ludicrous money being 2nd choice. Honestly if anything Margot Robbie's success and media profile shows how desperate Hollywood is to anoint starlets that fit her profile.
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Watching people try to justify some of the decision in the remake without having looked further than the trailer is funny: "Maybe she's so emotion-less because this movie is set after the first one and this is the major merged with the AI."
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Mithaldu posted:Watching people try to justify some of the decision in the remake without having looked further than the trailer is funny: The movie isn't out yet.
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Schwarzwald posted:The movie isn't out yet.
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Schwarzwald posted:The movie isn't out yet. Films don't inherently deserve the benefit of the doubt. It's the PR and marketing's job to make people want to see the movie. Paramount has been tripping over their own dick with this. What I've been seeing in a lot of places (and for many other films as well) is this idea that even questions like whitewashing shouldn't be judged "until you see it". (IOW, throw money at them first.) I find this hilarious.
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Mithaldu posted:How big of a chance do you think there is of this one being a sequel to the 1995 one? Ballpark? It already is. The 1995 film came out in 1995, while this 2017 film will be released in about a week. It is inherently a thematic sequel.
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Mar 26, 2017 21:51
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It already is. The 1995 film came out in 1995, while this 2017 film will be released in about a week. It is inherently a thematic sequel. Not inherently. Werner Herzog also made Bad Lieutenant without having seen the original.
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And More posted:Not inherently. Werner Herzog also made Bad Lieutenant without having seen the original. All Bad Lieutenants are sequels to Godzilla 1954. What's so hard to understand dude?
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, it's utterly hilarious the Hollywood logic about "We had to go with ScarJo becuz there's no Asian leads that are a box office draw" when GITS would have been the perfect format for that. There's no Asian leads because you fucks keep denying them the chance. Wrong. The "transformation" in the movie from Asian Major to her White version is obviously a commentary on the boom of plastic surgery in Asia, as millions of women are undergoing procedures in an attempt to look more Western, to drift away from their "real selves" into something artificial for acceptance and self-fulfillment. Very sad. quote:-Dr Kim Byung-gun says his clinic, one of the most successful in a city dubbed the "plastic surgery capital of Asia," performs 100 surgeries a day, ranging from eyelid surgery to nose reshaping to facial contouring. Of course what the movie is trying to say, is that the women like these, who will go to any lengths to conform to a more widespread standard of beauty will do so while sacrificing their identity, and will only realize it when it is already too late, as is the case with Major. This was a genius move by the director and writers, and only deepens what is shaping up to be a great movie. Can't wait to watch it.
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, it's utterly hilarious the Hollywood logic about "We had to go with ScarJo becuz there's no Asian leads that are a box office draw" when GITS would have been the perfect format for that. There's no Asian leads because you fucks keep denying them the chance. You don't groom a new action star by making them a lead in an unproven property with a budget of this size, regardless of ethnicity. It's a fine criticism for small films or low risk properties, but not here. This property has been pushed for funding decades now and the budget for this go around wasn't secured until Scarlett signed on. Making this movie, as a big action film, with an unknown was not an alternative. The possibilities were: 1. Wait until a viable (in financiers eyes) asian action lead had started to rise in the industry (Disney is probably the best hope here, as they're more or less the main studio with both the funds and the properties to groom such an actress. But I don't think they're very inclined and it won't be happening soon). Downside is, this property loses its luster with every year. 2. Don't make the movie. 3. Make the movie with one the very few current female action box office draws, all of whom are white. Maybe option three is such a bad idea that it should never have been considered. At the least, they have gone about it in just about the worst possible way. But a fourth option where an unknown lead headlined this property only exists in fantasy. Mean Bean Machine posted:Wrong. The "transformation" in the movie from Asian Major to her White version is obviously a commentary on the boom of plastic surgery in Asia, as millions of women are undergoing procedures in an attempt to look more Western, to drift away from their "real selves" into something artificial for acceptance and self-fulfillment. Very sad. Oh Christ. This is a bullshit racist myth that keeps getting bandied about in western media. Normally the story is sold as "asians are trying to have white eyes," but double lids have always been natural for a large portion of the east asian population and have always been a local standard of beauty. There are a handful of doctors, normally with questionable certification they find to keep it alive, but South Korea is not full of asians who want to be white. They asking to look like k-pop and k-drama stars and are pursuing ideals of beauty which have been local for a long time and are often alien to westerners. It's not about imitating the west. If you suggest the prominence of surgery is to look more American here, you're going to get a mix of confusion and anger. Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Thisis one of those perfect, bullshit, self justifying catch 22s. Non-white leads aren't pushed, so they don't exist, so they can't be given the big roles because that's a risk, so can't prove themselves, so they aren't pushed, and so on. Meanwhile, we have to keep pretending that every Jai Courteny, Chris Pratt, Sam Worthington or Joel Kinnaman is going to be the next thing unless it's exhaustively demonstrated that they're not. Studios have no goddamn problem taking a risk on guys like that, even as it keeps failing to pay off. poo poo, I am a tall white guy and I'm sick of it.
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For a movie like this they don't want "the next big star", they want an already big star who can sell a niche property to a wider audience.
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how could Hollywood ever have justified using Andy from Parks & Rec as an action star in Guardians of the Galaxy but then say they could never take a chance on a woman unless they're already a headliner
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/\ /\ /\ /\ Or a guy from neighbours to play Thor, or a guy from alcoholism to become Marvel's biggest star.Irony Be My Shield posted:For a movie like this they don't want "the next big star", they want an already big star who can sell a niche property to a wider audience. It's a mostly naked cyborg woman doing gun karate in the future to other robots. That's not niche, that's a blockbuster unless you gently caress it up.
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Bugblatter posted:Oh Christ. This is a bullshit racist myth that keeps getting bandied about in western media. Normally the story is sold as "asians are trying to have white eyes," but double lids have always been natural for a large portion of the east asian population and have always been a local standard of beauty. There are a handful of doctors, normally with questionable certification they find to keep it alive, but South Korea is not full of asians who want to be white. They asking to look like k-pop and k-drama stars and are pursuing ideals of beauty which have been local for a long time and are often alien to westerners. It's not about imitating the west. Are you saying that the doctors who are doing these procedures, and who say that they have patients coming in every day saying they want to look more "Western", are lying? Why would they do such a thing?
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starkebn posted:how could Hollywood ever have justified using Andy from Parks & Rec as an action star in Guardians of the Galaxy but then say they could never take a chance on a woman unless they're already a headliner Obviously it was his turn in Movie 43 that showed he was ready. Certainly not a separate standard for white dudes.
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Bugblatter posted:You don't groom a new action star by making them a lead in an unproven property with a budget of this size, regardless of ethnicity. It's a fine criticism for small films or low risk properties, but not here. This property has been pushed for funding decades now and the budget for this go around wasn't secured until Scarlett signed on. Does this movie need a $100+ million dollar budget? Also, looking over some of Hollywood's newer stars like Channing Tatum or Chris Hemsworth, those guys have careers that span 15 years tops. In fact, talking about unproven actors leading multi-million dollar projects, Hemsworth's first film role was not even ten minutes as George Kirk in Star Trek before getting the role of Thor two years later. And, if you don't recall, Thor was a huge gamble. Goddamn e:fb: Snowman_McK posted:/\ /\ /\ /\ Or a guy from neighbours to play Thor, or a guy from alcoholism to become Marvel's biggest star. Exactly. And they are. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Asian women are getting procedures done on them every day in an attempt to look more White. This is a very real and very sad situation that the movie is trying to comment on, but the people who would rather assume the directors/writers/studio did it for "money" should instead take a long hard look at themselves. Why are they obsessed over box-office of a movie that isn't even out yet? Very strange.
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Mean Bean Machine posted:Asian women are getting procedures done on them every day in an attempt to look more White. This is a very real and very sad situation that the movie is trying to comment on. It's definitely weird to see self-styled 'progressives' tweeting their objection to a film that's explicitly against white supremacism because "they're trying to make money!" Unlike...?
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Young Freud posted:Does this movie need a $100+ million dollar budget? Thor's gamble was tiny compared to the perception of GitS among studios. And it was a far cheaper film. Neither Channing Tatum nor Chris Hemsworth headlined something as big or risky as GitS on its first time out, it's not an equal comparison. Also as hosed as it is, getting financiers to back an action film with a female lead vs. a male lead is much harder. Who was going to pay for it. We don't even have to be so hypothetical. This pitch of GitS was floundering, unable to secure funding, and close to being cancelled until Johannson signed on. And yes it had to be $100m+. Your example of Thor was 150m and they set it mostly on location in a small town to save money. What do you think a big cyberpunk action film costs? They couldn't do Dredd in SA on a single soundstage for under $100m. Mean Bean Machine posted:Are you saying that the doctors who are doing these procedures, and who say that they have patients coming in every day saying they want to look more "Western", are lying? Why would they do such a thing? Yes, I am saying that. Publicity is a big pro. The majority of plastic surgery procedures in South Korea are done on foreign patients. Also, the anecdotal sources are generally not even licensed doctors or questionably licensed dentists doing illegal surgery work on the side.
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Bugblatter posted:And it was a far cheaper film. Bugblatter posted:And yes it had to be $100m+. Your example of Thor was 150m and they set it mostly on location in a small town to save money. What do you think a big cyberpunk action film costs? They couldn't do Dredd in SA on a single soundstage for under $100m. Also, they actually did Dredd not just on a soundstage for a lot less than 100 million. In fact, literally less than half that. You probably could have picked a better example. EDIT: I had a look at a few other cyberpunk movies and their budgets: The Matrix was 63 million, Johnny Mnemonic was done for 26, and the Terminator was done for the spare change in Gale Ann Hurd's couch. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Snowman_McK posted:EDIT: I had a look at a few other cyberpunk movies and their budgets: The Matrix was 63 million, Johnny Mnemonic was done for 26, and the Terminator was done for the spare change in Gale Ann Hurd's couch. I will temper that it was the '90s ('80s for The Terminator), but even if you adjusted those figures for inflation, they'd still be less than $100 million in 2017 USD.
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Young Freud posted:I will temper that it was the '90s ('80s for The Terminator), but even if you adjusted those figures for inflation, they'd still be less than $100 million in 2017 USD. I found an inflation calculator, The Terminator would have cost just over 15 million, The Matrix would have cost 92 million, and Johnny Mnemonic would have cost either 41 million or 63 (there are two numbers for its budget) poo poo, even Judge Dredd, Stallone's one, would have cost 143 million.
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Mean Bean Machine posted:Wrong. The "transformation" in the movie from Asian Major to her White version is obviously a commentary on the boom of plastic surgery in Asia, as millions of women are undergoing procedures in an attempt to look more Western, to drift away from their "real selves" into something artificial for acceptance and self-fulfillment. Very sad. Boy what a clever and incisive parody of the basic idea that movies are about things. Funny stuff
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