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i'm the giant suppressor
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 17:51 |
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# ? May 10, 2024 06:09 |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VKS_sniper_rifle
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 18:52 |
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I'm ashamed that I knew nothing about that gun until the picture and your link.
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 18:54 |
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Subsonic 12.7 mm round
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 19:00 |
i have his book and it owns
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 19:09 |
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While a bit goofy looking, that VKS sounds like it'd own bones.
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 19:46 |
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not caring here posted:While a bit goofy looking, that VKS sounds like it'd own bones. Russian guns are always cool, either on purpose or by hilarious accident
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 19:51 |
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A subsonic .50 round? Jesus
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 19:58 |
Bullet weight is ~1/3 bigger than a similarly purposed Browning .50 round from what I can tell.
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 20:14 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap90sNUX-_c The Hama offensive is really delivering on the ATGM video front.
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 20:29 |
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Duzzy Funlop posted:A subsonic .50 round? Jesus It's no joke. Russian .50's have bigger rounds than BMG too iirc. The one in the middle is solid bronze for reasons I don't understand. The rifle is 5 kg empty, less cope and silencer; 6.5 kg with scope and silencer,
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 20:43 |
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Mr. Showtime posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap90sNUX-_c Dude sounds like he's rattling off a list of shoutouts after the explosion
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# ? Mar 27, 2017 21:05 |
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I went to Arlington on my D.C. vacation this past week and they just happened to be doing a wreath laying ceremony at the Tomb, literally 5 minutes after I randomly walked up: The person in front of the SSG to the right of the general officer is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_D._Swenson
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 01:56 |
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Booblord Zagats posted:Russian guns are always cool, either on purpose or by hilarious accident https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irj1rD6g1hY
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 02:29 |
What's the power like on a VSS or AS Val anyway? Wikipedia gives 9x39mm a bullet weight of 259 grains and a muzzle energy of 658.5 joules, which is basically a .45 ACP +P round. Does it maintain that over longer distances?
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 03:12 |
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That much weight you'd think it'd be good out to 300 metres odd pretty easy But that slow a speed you'd think much further I'm gonna guess that it's lopey as gently caress and you'd be dialing in some serious drop.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 03:19 |
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But why use solid bronze then? Wouldn't the heavy weight be a detriment?
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 03:36 |
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Frosted Flake posted:But why use solid bronze then? Wouldn't the heavy weight be a detriment? Penetration is the primary goal of bronze ammo, and a giant hunk of it traveling just shy of the sound barrier would penetrate pretty well as far as relatively slow moving projectiles go
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 03:43 |
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The weight (mass) is only a detriment initially...it'll have a slower speed out of the barrel. But it won't drop any faster, and the weight (mass) helps it resist crosswinds (how much, I have no idea, but inertia's inertia).
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 04:07 |
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Mr. Showtime posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap90sNUX-_c Well that one certainly went "better"/chunkier.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 04:09 |
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not caring here posted:That much weight you'd think it'd be good out to 300 metres odd pretty easy
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 05:45 |
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evil_bunnY posted:These are all awesome Smiling Jack posted:i have his book and it owns Bill Mauldin ended up in the Quartermaster Corps in the 45th Infantry Division, before they went overseas. However, he felt he was losing his "edge", cartoon-wise, and voluntarily transferred back to the infantry. (Well, for a cartoonist, anyway.) He put out a number of books, with Up Front being his most well-known, which contains a shitload of cartoons and stories from WWII. There's a couple about his earlier life (The Brass Ring covers more of his prewar Army stuff), and he even went to Korea as a correspondent and got a book out of it.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 06:01 |
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Frosted Flake posted:The one in the middle is solid bronze for reasons I don't understand. Solid bronze bullets are used for accuracy, it's bronze so it doesn't have to be jacketed and it's made in a precision lathe instead of being cast so it's much more balanced and consistent than a cast lead bullet with an extruded jacket.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 07:33 |
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chitoryu12 posted:What's the power like on a VSS or AS Val anyway? Wikipedia gives 9x39mm a bullet weight of 259 grains and a muzzle energy of 658.5 joules, which is basically a .45 ACP +P round. Does it maintain that over longer distances? it always seemed more like an urban assassin rifle. It comes with a briefcase to carry it in even. I think its for killing putin's domestic enemies more than foreign ones.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 09:09 |
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Mr. Showtime posted:The Hama offensive is really delivering on the ATGM video front. https://youtu.be/YdQkwp18nng This stuff would be funny if it didn't involve so many people dying
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 11:58 |
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I thought T-90s would be able to detect lasing (I don't think that's the right term but I'm using it)? Or are these the crap export models being used by SAA? I think the running away might point towards SAA but I dunno, I can't read squigglly letters
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 12:25 |
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I thought T-90s would be able to detect lasing (I don't think that's the right term but I'm using it)? Or are these the crap export models being used by SAA? I think the running away might point towards SAA but I dunno, I can't read squigglly letters They can, but the Syrians have a bad record for not using the electronic systems like Shtora, the soft kill APS. I would venture to guess rather than being a Monkey Model like back in the day, the Syrians may just not be making the most of modern systems on the T90.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 13:28 |
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Also I thought the one of the points of the optical guidance ATGMs was that you didn't have to keep a laser on the target. Unless I'm just completely remembering it wrong.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 13:32 |
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mlmp08 posted:Also I thought the one of the points of the optical guidance ATGMs was that you didn't have to keep a laser on the target. Unless I'm just completely remembering it wrong. I think Shtora confuses the signal to the missile, causing it to veer off course. The Syrians cooked up their own APSand apparently it's the reason we're seeing so much footage of ATGMs, even TOWs being used against buildings and soft targets. Some smarter than me could probably explain it better but it seems really interesting. If the Syrians are making composite armour, thermal sights and APS, I would imagine that they are having significant Russian help. It's wild to see them going from using literal bricks to replace lost ERA and chicken wire as cage armour to the systems they've had in the field since about 2016.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 13:38 |
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I thought T-90s would be able to detect lasing (I don't think that's the right term but I'm using it)? Or are these the crap export models being used by SAA? I think the running away might point towards SAA but I dunno, I can't read squigglly letters There are basically no man portable ATGM that uses laser based guidance, it's mostly SACLOS systems that optically track a flare at the base of the missile and sends commands to line that flare up with the crosshairs the user is aiming with. Shtora works by by simply being a fake flare, so the guidance system just tries to move the fake one on the tank and ends up sending the missile in the sky or straight in the dirt.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 16:10 |
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There is footage out there of a T-90 with clearly open shotra shutters being hit with a TOW in Syria. No idea if the system was really active/being properly used.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 16:33 |
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Has anyone ever seen a video from Syria of someone taking a followup shot? Like in that first video there's still a bunch of cars and people around, in that second one there's still a second, intact tank showing their rear to the shooter. Is it them only having one missile or do they have to move the launcher after taking each shot to avoid counterfire and the camera is somewhere else so it can stick around?
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 16:48 |
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TOWs don't have to use lasers at all. You can use tracking gates to size and range the target, then fly it in by sight and feel. Other ATGM systems work the same way, which means that those countermeasures that rely on guidance systems/lasers don't work. (Not OPSEC)
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 16:50 |
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Mad Dragon posted:Here's a table for 300 AAC Blackout, which fires a 220 grain .308 caliber bullet at 1050fps. The drop at 300yds is hilarious, but the high ballistic coefficient means that it will retain most of its energy. Well that's pretty cool. Hope there's plenty of scope adjustment seeing as how wikipedia says 400 metres.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 17:02 |
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not caring here posted:Well that's pretty cool. Hope there's plenty of scope adjustment seeing as how wikipedia says 400 metres. Massive holdovers and/or BDC reticles. There are also mounts that tilt the scope forward to give it more vertical adjustment, but those are more for 1000yd+ precision rifles than subsonic catapults.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 17:12 |
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Mad Dragon posted:Massive holdovers and/or BDC reticles. There are also mounts that tilt the scope forward to give it more vertical adjustment, but those are more for 1000yd+ precision rifles than subsonic catapults. appropriate part timestamped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqpHU0oLG2Y&t=206s
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 17:28 |
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glynnenstein posted:There is footage out there of a T-90 with clearly open shotra shutters being hit with a TOW in Syria. No idea if the system was really active/being properly used. AFAIK the issue is that the flares on decent missiles tend to be encoded by strobe pattern/IR wavelength as a countermeasure for Shtora-like systems. So you kinda need to have a decent idea of what is being fired at you for it to work, and in Syria you really don't. It probably works best versus old Soviet missiles really, i'm not sure the system is worth the gaps in ERA coverage it causes.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 17:31 |
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Kafouille posted:AFAIK the issue is that the flares on decent missiles tend to be encoded by strobe pattern/IR wavelength as a countermeasure for Shtora-like systems. So you kinda need to have a decent idea of what is being fired at you for it to work, and in Syria you really don't. It probably works best versus old Soviet missiles really, i'm not sure the system is worth the gaps in ERA coverage it causes. Sounds like they're on the case. quote:To start a more specific and valid solution, the first step was to familiarize the SSRC with what tanks were encountering on the frontlines; such as the BGM-71 TOW. The first time it was encountered was was during the 1973 war against Israel and then in Lebanon during the 1982 war and finally the Iranian supplied variant of the Missile "Toophan" system which is used by the SAA to a limited extent. However, the SSRC had to have number of samples of the BGM-71 TOW which were already being used by the militants in Syria.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 17:43 |
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Mr. Showtime posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap90sNUX-_c I appreciate their prayers to the machine spirit
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 18:05 |
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Pretty sure there is roughly 400 actual pictures of this that were set up/posed.
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# ? Mar 28, 2017 18:31 |