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Uncle Boogeyman posted:This is basically The Hidden, which is a rad movie if you haven't seen it. The Hidden rules.
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cvnvcnv posted:But he is not delusional as a war criminals is. He felt helpless to stop an event which caused an incredible number of deaths and Superman had a direct hand in which allowed him to be made a force of opposition while still otherwise being a hero. His ideology is that such an event cannot occur again, that merely wanting to believe in good isn't enough in the face of actual godlike powers. This is what permits the villain to pit two heroes against each other, one framed but innocent and the other pure of motivation but to the point of betraying himself and the larger mission. That is the narrative. To say the story is that a villain pitted a hero and a different villain against each other, the entire movie collapses. But whatever, I get the sense there's semantics at play here. How does the movie collapse under that scenario? To say that there is a proximate cause for Batman's beliefs does not justify the ends to anyone other than himself and those he can convince cause it would be silly to say that this kind of thinking emerges from a vacuum. Even further than that, it would be sillier to say that any philosophy that is justifiable legitimates it. Because the utilitarian view - that Superman's presence is totally unwelcome because it's potentially destructive, demeaning to human life, whatever, is true. However, that ain't Justice.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:They're biomechanoids. I meant robots figuratively
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I hope the Shazam movie is just a fun light-hearted romp that comes out two weeks before VENOM starts shooting and makes ten billion dollars.
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Steve Yun posted:I meant robots figuratively Oh of course.
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Grendels Dad posted:I hope the Shazam movie is just a fun light-hearted romp that comes out two weeks before VENOM starts shooting and makes ten billion dollars. I hope the Shazam movie exists at all.
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Super Hero movies need to be more like the Fast and the Furious movies (mainly films 5-7).
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Equeen posted:I hope the Shazam movie exists at all. WB has made a lot of really poor decisions with its DC films so far. By far the worst decision they could make, however, would be to somehow let their giant superhero movie starring Dwayne Johnson fall apart. They need to bend over backward for the man and do whatever he wants.
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Mordiceius posted:Super Hero movies need to be more like the Fast and the Furious movies (mainly films 5-7). Rampant car destruction is already one of the most mocked aspects of the current studio powerhouse.  
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feedmyleg posted:WB has made a lot of really poor decisions with its DC films so far. By far the worst decision they could make, however, would be to somehow let their giant superhero movie starring Dwayne Johnson fall apart. They need to bend over backward for the man and do whatever he wants. You mean like turning Shazam into a Black Adam movie?
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Electromax posted:Rampant car destruction is already one of the most mocked aspects of the current studio powerhouse. Why anybody would watch Marvel movies for their feel-good comic book fare when we already have F&F is beyond me. edit: Good movie-fight post, btw.
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Update: in the coolest bit of comic book movie news in recent memory, the film adaptation of Brian Michael Bendis & Marc Andreyko's Torso is finally happening and it's being directed by Paul Greengrass (although they've rechristened it with the extremely lame title "Ness").
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Mar 27, 2017 21:06
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K. Waste posted:Why anybody would watch Marvel movies for their feel-good comic book fare when we already have F&F is beyond me. The whole franchise is structured like a D&D campaign.
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K. Waste posted:Why anybody would watch Marvel movies for their feel-good comic book fare when we already have F&F is beyond me. Fast Five was pretty cool but way too long and they just keep getting longer https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/846414578678484992
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I can't stand the F&F films, personally. I know that sets me apart from CineD and, well, the rest of the world, but dammit I just plain don't like 'em. Like, I get that they have a lot of merit as just the biggest dumbest over-the-top action franchise out there. But the celebration of meathead bro culture is just too much for me, and their earnestness goes so far beyond dorky I can't believe there are folks out there who take them seriously as "cool" movies with enviable characters and lifestyles. All the "tough guys" just come across as corny 40-something cheeseball dad types to me. Or maybe it's because I never gave a poo poo about cars and roll my eyes at car culture? At no level do I connect with those films, beyond appreciating how audacious they are from a distance.
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Electromax posted:Rampant car destruction is already one of the most mocked aspects of the current studio powerhouse. I'm not really talking about car destruction. There seems to be this constant struggle between people saying that the fights should take place somewhere populated and yet those preemptively complaining about those that will whine about civilian casualties. The fast and furious movies seem to do well to balance massive destruction in populated centers while also not having many civilian casualties by the heroes.
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feedmyleg posted:I can't stand the F&F films, personally. I know that sets me apart from CineD and, well, the rest of the world, but dammit I just plain don't like 'em. Look at this post by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
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feedmyleg posted:I can't stand the F&F films, personally. I know that sets me apart from CineD and, well, the rest of the world, but dammit I just plain don't like 'em. earnestness in the face of being considered dorky or cheesy by cynical audiences is a good quality i wish modern comic book movies had more of
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K. Waste posted:Why anybody would watch Marvel movies for their feel-good comic book fare when we already have F&F is beyond me. The average F&F cast member is too brown for your average comics nerd to empathize with. Brother Entropy posted:earnestness in the face of being considered dorky or cheesy by cynical audiences is a good quality i wish modern comic book movies had more of But how can you prove that the thing you like is actually Good Art worthy of respect if you don't make it clear, repeatedly, that you're not stupid enough to think the silly parts are serious? Babysitter Super Sleuth fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Honest Thief posted:They could just like, make a movie that doesn't have to start a franchise-universe, but maybe that's just me. Studios try to do this but then nerds blast social media with hype that that weird "Cloverfield" movie is secretly VOLTRON!!!, and what if this new space horror movie is secretly VENOM!!! FROM SPIDERMAN!!!
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Studios try to do this but then nerds blast social media with hype that that weird "Cloverfield" movie is secretly VOLTRON!!!, and what if this new space horror movie is secretly VENOM!!! FROM SPIDERMAN!!! You joke but if the very last scene as the guy was getting stepped on or eaten or wahtever in Cloverfield had a vague outline of Voltron booster-rocketing down with its sword out ready to take a swing at the monster I would have died and gone to the rapture. All that said, how'd the Power Rangers movie turn out? Anybody seen it? I want to.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:The average F&F cast member is too brown for your average comics nerd to empathize with. Walker was the only white guy in the whole (protagonist side) cast in 5-7, right? It's a remarkably diverse group. I guess there's Kurt Russell but that was a pretty small part
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The villains have some white guys. Now they can latch onto Jason Statham as he heel turns in 8.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:But how can you prove that the thing you like is actually Good Art worthy of respect if you don't make it clear, repeatedly, that you're not stupid enough to think the silly parts are serious? thinking back on that post it's mostly just marvel studios that's doing this, it just feels way more omnipresent because they've been doing it for so long it's wild though since the success of sam raimi's spiderman really felt like the seed that eventually led to the MCU and drat if that trilogy wasn't afraid to commit to comic book schmaltz Drifter posted:All that said, how'd the Power Rangers movie turn out? Anybody seen it? I want to. people in the power rangers/super sentai thread seem pretty positive on it, for what that's worth to you Brother Entropy fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Drifter posted:All that said, how'd the Power Rangers movie turn out? Anybody seen it? I want to. I enjoyed it. The teen bonding stuff was pretty well done, even if I found their campfire secrets sharing scene a little too Degrassi. Elizabeth Banks was really good as Rita. There's not a lot of hand to hand while rocking the suits, however the Zords were a lot of fun and it felt like the movie "earned" using the MegaZord the way they did. It was amazing or anything, but as a reboot to classic Power Rangers it gets the job done. The only reason I think the movie is PG-13 is the use of "rear end" and a few crude innuendos. A crude joke near the beginning that I will spoiler tag, Jason and his football buddies are pranking a school (their school?) by putting a bull in the locker room and one of them jokes about making it relax by milking it only for the other two to point that it's a male cow MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Brother Entropy posted:earnestness in the face of being considered dorky or cheesy by cynical audiences is a good quality i wish modern comic book movies had more of I don't disagree. But if the X-Men series is one side of the spectrum, embarrassed by what it is and constantly apologizing for it, the F&F series is way on the opposite side of the spectrum. I understand that the contrast must be refreshing to most, but I feel that striking a balance is important. Clearly I'm in the minority when it comes to applying that to F&F though. Raimi's Spider-Man series is a good example, I feel. The first film was a little too embarrassed to be a comic book movie, the second struck a perfect balance, and the third went too far and went straight into over-the-top melodrama territory. I think the Marvel films tend to strike a pretty good balance most of the time, which is why I can appreciate and like all of them significantly, even if they aren't really remarkable. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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feedmyleg posted:The first film was a little too embarrassed to be a comic book movie, 
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Right. But then compare that to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEZBhL5lpqg The final film went with something that had to be grounded in an Xtreme power suit. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 21:52
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feedmyleg posted:Raimi's Spider-Man series is a good example, I feel. The first film was a little too embarrassed to be a comic book movie I dunno where you get that idea, Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin is like the schlockiest thing in the franchise. edit: beaten
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feedmyleg posted:Right. But then compare that to this: i mean, they're both ridiculous and over the top it doesn't have to be a competition the real 'afraid to be comic book-y' move would've been to do what ultimate spider-man did and just make him a vaguely more demonic hulk because genetic monster feels less cheesey and more grounded to people than insane strong guy in a tokusatsu outfit
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Just out of curiosity, and so I know we are talking on the same level, how many of the fast and furious films have you actually seen?
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Mordiceius posted:Just out of curiosity, and so I know we are talking on the same level, how many of the fast and furious films have you actually seen? 5, 6, and part of 7.
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feedmyleg posted:5, 6, and part of 7. Well, when it comes down to it, those are the only films that really nail the tone and action I'm taking about.
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The MSJ posted:The recent episode of Legion (episode 7) not only confirms that Xavier is David's father but also features a reference to the best scene in X-Men Apocalypse: One of the villains was killed when the Shadow King mentally twisted his body into a box. Wait, which scene was this?
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My gripe with Shazam and I don't think I'm ever gonna drop this one is why, in Shazam movie with Dwayne The Rock Johnson is Dwayne The Rock Johnson not playing Shazam?
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He was given the choice between the two roles and picked the one he thought was more interesting. Playing an anti-hero would allow him to stretch his acting chops a little more than playing a do-gooder. Think about a rough, charming morally-ambiguous Rock going up against, say, Armie Hammer as a gosh-golly perfect do-gooder.
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Mordiceius posted:I'm not really talking about car destruction. There seems to be this constant struggle between people saying that the fights should take place somewhere populated and yet those preemptively complaining about those that will whine about civilian casualties. The fast and furious movies seem to do well to balance massive destruction in populated centers while also not having many civilian casualties by the heroes. I think that's more a matter of audience engagement with the action and the status of the heroes as underdogs, making the power fantasy of them not accidentally killing anyone while rolling a bank vault through downtown in Fast Five less obnoxious. mastershakeman posted:Walker was the only white guy in the whole (protagonist side) cast in 5-7, right? It's a remarkably diverse group.  But, yeah, just him and Paul Walker.
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I'm posting it everywhere relevant: Batman: Gotham Knights is an actually, honest-to-goodness, very well-executed compilation film.
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The Rock should play Billy Batson. He's grown up and worked out to the point that his power is comparable to Captain Marvel, and now Captain Marvel has to struggle to find a reason to exist.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Wait, which scene was this? The opening scene. One of the ancient Horsemen was telekinetic and killed a rebel this way.
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