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IronSaber posted:How long until Season 4? Probably sometime in the fall, if previous seasons premieres are an indicator.
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tsob posted:It's part of why I'm kind of sad Kanaan became a fairly standard Jedi mentor character so quickly. I was really looking forward to seeing what was I suppose a mix of Han and Luke, a Jedi that was also a bit of a scoundrel. Someone who'd do the right thing, but would do it somewhat reluctantly and with a bit of a greedy or dickish streak. And just someone who saw merit in using a gun as often as a sword really. I like to think that Kanan turned into more of a mentor because he saw what Ezra was going through and wanted to keep that from happening, that and him being blinded by Maul probably made him come to the realisation that he has to be better. Perhaps I should rewatch season 1 and 2 to see if I'm missing something, because I could be.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:36
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Aces High posted:I like to think that Kanan turned into more of a mentor because he saw what Ezra was going through and wanted to keep that from happening, that and him being blinded by Maul probably made him come to the realisation that he has to be better. Perhaps I should rewatch season 1 and 2 to see if I'm missing something, because I could be. Don't forget, after the end of S2, he went into a funk and spent however long moping around while his apprentice basically turned to the dark side. He realized he needed to step up at that point. Rebels tries really hard to portray the whole 'the master teaches the disciple, and the disciple teaches the master' idea.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:50
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I really liked the Bendu. It makes a lot more sense to me that someone really in tune with the force would use it to pull all sorts of crazy random shits and act like a force of nature.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:08
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It's my understanding that kreia and the Bendu are more opposites of the "gray jedi/pan-force" philosophy: Kreia: The Force is a capricious, alien thing which manipulates us into foolhardy beliefs and conflicts; the Force takes what lives it will, and we as mortals should not accept that Bendu: The Force is a capricious, alien thing which is beyond our judgment and interpretation and should be followed; the Force takes what lives it will, and we as mortals must accept that Traditional Jedi Knight: The (light side of the) Force is what binds all life together, and I am it's vessel through which life is protected; death is natural and my acceptance of it is what allows me to transcend to another level of existence Traditional Sith: The (dark side of the) Force is what fuels all life, and it is the source of my self-actualization and personal power; death is anathema to life and my denial of it is what makes me extraordinary and immortal
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Mar 27, 2017 21:36
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Bad News: I have not binged my way to the season 3 finale. Good News: I did finish season 2. Man, what a hit or miss set of episodes. Taken as an isolated episode, the finale felt like the perfect mix of fan service, pathos, and kickass action. But Ezra's journey felt more than a little wonky, given that we spent SO little of season 2 witnessing his training. I liked that they decided not to do a clunky I AM ANGRY AND I MUST PUNCH PEOPLE dark side riff, but lordy. I literally have no idea how Ezra became stronger outside of a few very short and very infrequent references. At first I was worried that Rex and Ahsoka would dominate the show and turn it into a stealth sequel of The Clone Wars, abandoning new viewers like me. I ended up feeling that Rex in particular felt very wasted after the slow-burn two parter that introduced him. The idea of Rex training Ezra to be a soldier while Kanan escalates their jedi training has so much potential... and happens entirely off screen. The same goes pretty much across the board. Kallus and Zeb star in a series highlight, but outside of "Zeb The Prophet" there's no real arc whatsoever. Same goes for Sabine and Hera. You could really feel the loss of Greg Weisman, sadly.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:45
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While there are parts of the finale I like, I also felt like it was kinda weak. Nothing can obviously be as awesome as Season 2's finale but it just felt like a standard episode. Granted, it's an episode where a major thing happens (the loss of Chopper Base) and it was done well but it just feel really "eh" on it. Things it did well: Setup how screwed the rebels were once Thrawn launched his attack. Show an orbital bombardment from the ground. This was something I've always personally wanted to see in some form of visual media. This was great. Things I felt fell flat: -Very few character beats. For a show that I think features its characters prominently, it felt like everyone was just there to serve a plot beat but lacked all personal beats. Kanan gets the Bendu riled up. Ezra gets Sabine for help. Hera organizes the escape. Zeb and Rex mount a defense. -Lack of stakes. While Thrawn's attack was well-constructed and built upon everything shown this season, it felt like very little was accomplished by him. Sure, a bunch of nameless rebels bought it (and Sato) but Rogue One did a better job conveying that "everything is going to hell, we're completely outclassed/outmanned/outgunned, and we'll snag a small victory out by the skin of our teeth" feeling. I'm not saying the show had to kill off significant members of the team but it did feel like someone more important needed to go to really communicate what a bind the rebels were in. -Lack of setup for next season. Season 1 ended with Vader and Ahsoka's reveal along with a clear "we're going beyond Lothal next season" message. Season 2 ended with Ahsoka gone, Kanan blinded, the rebels setting up a base to widen their rebellion, and Ezra clearly influenced by Maul. This felt like walking backwards. That can make a kind of sense when you've got a scrappy rebellion but the aforementioned lack of stakes really saps the setback they may have tried to establish. And then there's just no inkling towards what comes next for the characters. Minor things that bug me: 2 Interdictors - I don't know why this bugs me. Why are there just 2? I know it always seems like the bad guys only bring 1 of their cool toys to a party and here's an example of someone being smart enough to say "I want a backup". But I was super confused. Was there just 1 present at first or were they both there? Did a second come in later? Were 2 all that was available? Could've a third appeared at some point? I'm not sure I missed something but it just felt off the episode never made clear the situation with the Interdictors. It'll likely feel different binging the show after it's all done but, waiting for season 4, the season 3 finale feels like a wasted opportunity. Thwomp fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 21:51
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Do will still need spoilers? Anyways, I assume the Intredictors are pretty new and rare so having 2 is actually a huge thing. But yea seeing what it's like to be on a receiving end of an orbital bombardment shows how terrifying it would be.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:14
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Gonz posted:Probably sometime in the fall, if previous seasons premieres are an indicator. The end of the last Rebels Recon gave it a "later this year" so yeah, fall it is. We'll probably get a more specific date at Celebration in a few weeks.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:17
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There was setup for the next season: they're going to Yavin IV to join the rest of the Rebel alliance. This just dawned on me: they need to get them out of Yavin ASAP. It would be majorly stupid if they were on Yavin during the Deathstar thing and didn't help out so, for canon's sake, they need to vacate asap.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:23
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Chopper and Hera (at the very least) were there for the events of Rogue One.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:30
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Mon Mothma was also on Yavin IV during Rogue One but not during A New Hope. Seems a easy route to have them escort her elsewhere right after Rogue One. Have them be with her when they get the news of the Death Star's destruction. Seems a fitting hopefully moment to go out on for the series.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:30
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considering that the Ghost is one of the few ships that escapes it probably went to a failsafe rendezvous point if poo poo went south at Scariff, which it did. What's the general timeline from the Tantive IV being captured and the Death Star being blown up? A few days? That's more than enough time for Ghost crew to report back to Yavin and evacuate VIPs Also does anyone think that taking back Lothal will be a big plot point for season 4? I forgot until they mentioned it in the episode that that was where the TIE Defenders were being built so I could see that being a big important issue, to make sure we don't see any of those when A New Hope happens
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Mar 27, 2017 23:37
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Dave Filoni said that Season 4 might be when we see X-wings
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I could have sworn I saw that the end of Rogue One and the start of ANH is a matter of hours. How I see it is that the Ghost was chosen to take Mon Mothma and others to a safe place so that if the rebel base is destroyed, it's leadership is not lost. Dodonna probably volunteered to stay behind and command the defense. That's my No Prize answer for why no Mon Mothma on Yavin.
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Mar 27, 2017 23:44
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twistedmentat posted:I could have sworn I saw that the end of Rogue One and the start of ANH is a matter of hours. To be frank, might be less than a matter of hours. I mean, it literally goes Rogue One --> Leia gets away...and then is immediately caught --> A New Hope. I wouldn't be shocked if it was just a half and hour or so between the films. It is one of the most literal prequels I've ever seen.
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Mar 28, 2017 00:13
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I hope in the next season they have to make a pit stop at a repair yard owned by the Azzameen family. The name of their base was Twin Suns Station http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Twin_Suns_Station_(space_station)
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Mar 28, 2017 02:33
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The Azzameens would certainly not be a group of EU characters I'd expect to show up, but it could be interesting.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:The Azzameens would certainly not be a group of EU characters I'd expect to show up, but it could be interesting. Just saying the name in passing would be enough for me. They don't really get involved until right before Empire.
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Covok posted:There was setup for the next season: they're going to Yavin IV to join the rest of the Rebel alliance. They should be heading for Dantooine. A rally point already established in S3, and there's an on-camera line about there being an abandoned rebel base there. Gavin IV will prove to be a better choice for some reason and they relocate there, but it's off to Dantooine next.
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mllaneza posted:They should be heading for Dantooine. A rally point already established in S3, and there's an on-camera line about there being an abandoned rebel base there. Gavin IV will prove to be a better choice for some reason and they relocate there, but it's off to Dantooine next. Didn't they specifically say they were heading to Yavin?
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Mar 28, 2017 03:26
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I don't get why Thrawn stops bombarding the planet from orbit just to ground assault the base later. It's not like turbolasers take turbolaser ammo. I guess because of cartoon Star Wars reasons?
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AndyElusive posted:I don't get why Thrawn stops bombarding the planet from orbit just to ground assault the base later. Pretty much. I imagine,if the main characters didn't have plot armor, that Thrawn would've done something like this.
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Mar 28, 2017 04:33
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He was under orders to capture leadership for interrogation, and when he protested the difficulty of this (if only on the basis of the Rebels being likely to do something stupid or suicidal) Tarkin basically teases that SURELY someone of his talents can do it. The bombardment was likely just to push the shields to the breaking point to make the ground assault easier. Or to prove a point and try and get them to stop resisting to make his orders easier.
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Mar 28, 2017 04:42
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Yup, blame Tarkin. Thrawn would've been happy to just nuke em all from orbit. Admittedly, Tarkin did have a bit of a point in the order. The leaders can not only be made public examples of, but can be interrogated to make sure they'd completely decapitated the fledgling Rebel Alliance (and unsurprisingly they would not have).
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Covok posted:There was setup for the next season: they're going to Yavin IV to join the rest of the Rebel alliance. Actually, there were two setups - Hera and Chopper are going to Yavin, where they'll be with the Ghost for Rogue One. Sabine is heading back to the Mandalorian civil war, and you'd better believe Ezra is going back with her, not to mention Rau - and the concept art already indicated that civil war is gonna be a big plot point in s4. Stick Kanan on Mandalore too so there's not another jedi on Yavin, split Zeb and Rex how you like, and you've got a season that alternates between locations every couple of episodes.
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Mar 28, 2017 06:45
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Zeb would likely be with Hera on Yavin. Probably Rex as well.
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Mar 28, 2017 07:05
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Everyone dies before Scarif. Chopper is piloting the Ghost.
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Aces High posted:Also does anyone think that taking back Lothal will be a big plot point for season 4? I forgot until they mentioned it in the episode that that was where the TIE Defenders were being built so I could see that being a big important issue, to make sure we don't see any of those when A New Hope happens Not really. How could the rebellion ever occupy a planet out in the open? The empire would just nuke the poo poo out of it.
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Hakkesshu posted:Not really. How could the rebellion ever occupy a planet out in the open? The empire would just nuke the poo poo out of it. Mon Cala was openly an Alliance member and producing capital ships for them by RotJ iirc.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Mon Cala was openly an Alliance member and producing capital ships for them by RotJ iirc. No, according to nucanon the Mon Calamari had a mass exodus following the rise of the Empire and all the ships you see including Home One are apparently civic buildings?
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Derp. Right, I completely forgot that it was Gov. Tarkin that asked Thrawn to take the leaders alive at the start.
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Chickenwalker posted:No, according to nucanon the Mon Calamari had a mass exodus following the rise of the Empire and all the ships you see including Home One are apparently civic buildings? As goofy as it may sound, I love the idea of someone flying the Empire State Building into space and sticking turbolasers on it.
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From what I recall they were the equivalent of cruise liners, cargoships, etc that they militarized. Wasn't the Mon Calamari's whole thing that they're absurdly good ship builders to the point that even retrofitting non-military ships into a combat role made them damned effective, it's just that the way they built them also made it hard to do the retrofitting, repairs, etc because no two ships were exactly alike?
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IronSaber posted:As goofy as it may sound, I love the idea of someone flying the Empire State Building into space and sticking turbolasers on it. Sir Rebel ships coming out of Hyperspace. Identify! Sir, it's the Recreation Comission and the Office of Budget.
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:Sir Rebel ships coming out of Hyperspace. We're being boarded sir! By the Tourism Board!
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:Sir Rebel ships coming out of Hyperspace. Sir, more are coming in! They appear to be the, uh, Department of Agriculture and the Department of Parks and Recreation.
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Look out, it's the Crimson Permanent Assurance! Actually, wait, that would have worked better as a Separatist ship in Clone Wars.
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You've never heard of Pump Station 13? It's the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy. I liked the "If you're so good, Thrawn, why don't you take prisoners?" angle. It's either classic imperial hubris or maybe even a case of Tarkin undermining someone he sees as a rival. Either way, it fits the characters and was a good excuse to create a situation where the Rebels could survive.
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DancinBrud posted:You've never heard of Pump Station 13? It's the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy. It's definitely Tarkin positioning so that the credit is his, or the fault is Thrawn's, and both he and Thrawn know it. Zebulon posted:From what I recall they were the equivalent of cruise liners, cargoships, etc that they militarized. Wasn't the Mon Calamari's whole thing that they're absurdly good ship builders to the point that even retrofitting non-military ships into a combat role made them damned effective, it's just that the way they built them also made it hard to do the retrofitting, repairs, etc because no two ships were exactly alike? Pretty sure that's oldcannon, I don't think they've gone into it in any great detail in the nucannon yet, beyond the nomad rebels in flying buildings bit.
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