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raditts posted:Can we have this one thing where we don't grasp at straws for reasons to consider it "problematic" I mean ignoring these problems just perpetuates them, and no one here is saying you can't watch it or enjoy it. There's an issue where people see the word "problematic" and assume they mean "this piece of media is the worst thing ever in the world and has no redeeming qualities, this media might have well been invented by Adolf J Hitlerino". We're just discussing this piece of media we like, all media has problems to different degrees and it shouldn't make you uncomfortable to talk about them. Again, nobody is calling the TV cartoon show Samurai Jack, 'the devil', actually it's very good, that's why we like to talk about it. Anyway my new theory for the ending is that Samurai Jack marries Aku and they have twenty three children.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:43
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Legit good page opener, that.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:42
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I think the skin-suits were sexualized in the way that Paul Dini's characters were sexualized -- they're not that objectionable until you start thinking about why the animator chose to portray them this way and realize that's his ideal / fetish / only female body type he can draw. If I were an apologist, I'd probably point out that Samurai Jack's visuals is so stylized that it shouldn't matter. But the show is practically devoid of female characters (did Jack's mother even have a line in the flashback?) and that it's unacceptable not to call out the failures of the auteur. What the gently caress is this post, I can't tell if this is a joke or if you're that broken, either way, well done? raditts posted:Can we have this one thing where we don't grasp at straws for reasons to consider it "problematic" Yeah this. What's going to be strange to me in the future is when the Scotsman turns up, and both Jack and the Scotsman start opening fire and bellowing madly. Bonus fun ending to the new season of samurai jack: Ashi meets the Scotsman's wife and in an inspired moment of cunning states that Aku often spoke of the wife's fat nature. Queue Aku being smashed over the head for all time to the words, "I AM NOT FAT, I'M STOUT" while Jack liberates the people and requisitions a new time portal from now freed science dudes. During this time, Jack also happens upon an adorable dog and decides to keep it by his side, for it is such a sweet thing.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:17
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mycot posted:Oh yeah, everyone should have realized the daughters were doomed when he lost his hat/helmet and his clothes.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:31
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raditts posted:Can we have this one thing where we don't grasp at straws for reasons to consider it "problematic" I don't know if I agree with those criticisms specifically, but I definitely don't agree with "no criticisms allowed" (or, above on this page, "if you try to look at things through a feminist lens you must be broken and/or trolling"). Samurai Jack is legit a work of art, and as such deserves to be considered seriously. It's a great show, but as Tartakovsky said in an interview someone linked earlier in the thread, "I don’t think of myself as a 47-year-old with a mortgage and three kids, I think of myself as a virile young 25". And there's no way that's not going to be reflected in the show, for better and worse. (For instance, "gotta get back, back to the past" takes on a much more relatable meaning in that light than it originally had.)
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Mar 29, 2017 20:06
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JT Jag posted:It's like the Inverse Ninja Rule, except instead of ninjas being more dangerous the fewer there are of them (which, by the way, this show did a fantastic job of subverting with the Daughters) Jack gets more dangerous with each piece of his clothing that gets torn off. I mean, just look at the Dome of Doom episode; the nakeder he gets, the more brutal his methods become.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:07
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:I don't know if I agree with those criticisms specifically, but I definitely don't agree with "no criticisms allowed" (or, above on this page, "if you try to look at things through a feminist lens you must be broken and/or trolling"). Normally I don't like shooting down discussion in threads (and threads that are just "this thing was cool/how cool was that thing" are bad), but those criticisms are legit terrible. Not every woman bleeding has to be a period metaphor. TVIV doesn't deserve Samurai Jack.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:11
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I legitimately can't tell how many "layers of irony" you're operating on here. But now I'm worried that "going back to the past" has become a metaphor for "making America great again." (wretch) and I think I have to root for the future that is Aku. To be fair, I and most people I know have been wishing we could go "back the past" of, say, 2012 or 2013 for the better part of a year now.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:12
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mycot posted:Normally I don't like shooting down discussion in threads (and threads that are just "this thing was cool/how cool was that thing" are bad), but those criticisms are legit terrible. Not every woman bleeding has to be a period metaphor. Samurai Jack: There was a FORESKIN here. It's gone now.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:16
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Das Boo posted:Samurai Jack: There was a FORESKIN here. It's gone now. Jack repressing his bloody childhood memories is a metaphor for the trauma of early male circumcision.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:19
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Obviously you guys could have saved yourselves all the arguing if you had just read my new book Power Puff, and the Emasculation of the Modern Man.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:24
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mycot posted:Normally I don't like shooting down discussion in threads (and threads that are just "this thing was cool/how cool was that thing" are bad), but those criticisms are legit terrible. Not every woman bleeding has to be a period metaphor. I think it's fine to talk about specific criticism not being valid, but I think it's kinda lovely to ask people not to discuss anything critical. You don't have to shoot down the discussion to disagree with someone, I think it's easier and better for everyone if you just focus on countering the thing you don't agree with sensibly.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:25
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Is Samurai Jack A Postmodern Assessment of the Validity of the Nudist Lifestyle?
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Mar 29, 2017 20:28
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I don't really see anything problematic except that the show is yet another show about a male action dude in a world that's full of shows about male action dudes and short on real female protagonists. As usual, though, that's not a deathblow to any particular show about a guy, just a problem with the world in general. Anyway, it's not like they could change that now for Samurai Jack, and they've actually added important female characters, so I suspect they're aware that that's something they were short on. (You could say Ashi's not a great point of representation but I don't think anybody more empowered would fit into the established story of the conclusion of Jack and Aku's enmity.)
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Mar 29, 2017 20:29
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Eh, granted, I can see where people are coming from when the most major female character the show has ever seen was literally raised from birth to hunt down a man; everything we've seen so far is her having no agency independent of "kill Jack, please mother/Aku". However, we're also only a third of the way in, and it's probably pretty likely that Ashi is going to see some significant growth now that all of her sisters are dead and have essentially failed at their life's only goal.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:38
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Regalingualius posted:Is Samurai Jack A Postmodern Assessment of the Validity of the Nudist Lifestyle?
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Mar 29, 2017 20:38
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I'm betting on at least one daughter besides Ashi to survive, just to provide a contrast for her own development. But if not, its no major loss.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:41
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nerdman42 posted:I'm betting on at least one daughter besides Ashi to survive, just to provide a contrast for her own development. But if not, its no major loss. Now watch as someone makes a Loss edit out of the six Daughters getting killed.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:44
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Not every show has to tick box your progressive demands for a show. Jack is a samurai that jumps good and tries to depose evil. This is the first time I've ever posted in a TV/IV thread and the reputation for this subforum to be weird is very much deserved by the looks of things, and that's coming from someone who frequents the star citizen thread. This show is art. It is doing what it set out to do and it's god drat fantastic. Megaspel posted:I think it's fine to talk about specific criticism not being valid, but I think it's kinda lovely to ask people not to discuss anything critical. You don't have to shoot down the discussion to disagree with someone, I think it's easier and better for everyone if you just focus on countering the thing you don't agree with sensibly. I think it's an acceptable response when one encounters an absurd argument/criticism to state, "that is absurd and divorced from reality you utter goon." Okay, here's a new question for you folks. Who thinks that Jack will manage to find his sword again? Or if there's another solution available? I honestly think that the sword is the only way to defeat Aku. When you lose the deus ex machina, you don't tend to just find another one. Jack is going to have to get his blade back. Reforging a new one doesn't seem viable to me, especially now that Jack's spirit is troubled. Otherwise the good gods of the world would have given another hero a weapon to take down Aku.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:08
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I'm hoping there's a flashback episode showing just what kind of adventure could have been intense enough to end up with him losing the sword.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:11
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Jack's sword is such an iconic symbol in the show I would be completely surprised if we don't see him getting it back before the series ends. Personally, I hope he gets it back in the next two episodes.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:39
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Could Jack's sword by like MCU Mjolnir, when he regains his samurai heart it will return to him?
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Mar 29, 2017 21:43
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Mr.Tophat posted:Not every show has to tick box your progressive demands for a show ... This show is art. Then it deserves the critical rigor that other art also gets, and rightly so. There are many angles to criticism, the feminist perspective being one of them. Dismissing a perfectly common and valid criticism rather than discussing it is a disservice to the thread imo. Id rather the thread be both discussion about events in the show and about the show itself. quote:Otherwise the good gods of the world would have given another hero a weapon to take down Aku. The dude met Ra face to face and the bird faced fucker didnt do anything beyond saving him from the magical jackals.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:44
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Then it deserves the critical rigor that other art also gets, and rightly so. Okay, fair enough. I guess I was thrown off by ZorajitZorajit's post, because it reads like a madman to me. Unless that's what you're defending, in which case...I guess I just don't know anymore?
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Mar 29, 2017 21:50
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moosecow333 posted:Jack's sword is such an iconic symbol in the show I would be completely surprised if we don't see him getting it back before the series ends. Personally, I hope he gets it back in the next two episodes. I think jack losing his sword is probably representative of him having lost his sense of purpose. If that's the case, him regaining his sword should happen around the same time he resolves his personal demons. Doing that seems like the main character arc for the season, so I'm going to guess he doesn't get the sword back until near the end.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:55
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Pavlov posted:I think jack losing his sword is probably representative of him having lost his sense of purpose. If that's the case, him regaining his sword should happen around the same time he resolves his personal demons. Doing that seems like the main character arc for the season, so I'm going to guess he doesn't get the sword back until near the end. It's pronounced "You've forgotten your purpose!"
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Mar 29, 2017 21:59
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Mr.Tophat posted:It's pronounced "You've forgotten your purpose!" Shhh, some people don't actually watch this show.
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Mar 29, 2017 22:04
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Regalingualius posted:I mean, just look at the Dome of Doom episode; the nakeder he gets, the more brutal his methods become. he literally tickled a massive sumo wrestler to death I mean jfc it was horrifying
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Mar 29, 2017 22:04
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Mr.Tophat posted:Okay, fair enough. I guess I was thrown off by ZorajitZorajit's post, because it reads like a madman to me. Unless that's what you're defending, in which case...I guess I just don't know anymore? Keep your tophat on dude. A little lit crit isn't gonna hurt you.
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Mar 29, 2017 22:11
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If show can be criticized then so can your shifty criticism on whether it's worthwhile or not. End of the day the show is still more valuable and more enjoyable than your post so don't be surprised if you actually have to argue to make a point instead of just shouting into the void and getting retweets and reblogs. Most people posting crit remind me of people who never study, never ask anything in office hours except to have things regraded for more points, etc, don't really want to put the work in and just want the points now even if their arguments are completely illogical and their calculations are completely off. Don't evaluate my work, just give me credit and tell me I'm smart, even if I've done nothing besides be enrolled in the course. Wait what was I talking about what thread is this.
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Mar 29, 2017 22:19
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^^^ This guy gets it Otherkinsey Scale posted:I don't know if I agree with those criticisms specifically, but I definitely don't agree with "no criticisms allowed" (or, above on this page, "if you try to look at things through a feminist lens you must be broken and/or trolling"). So tell me, how did you read the words "grasping at straws" and translate that to "no criticisms allowed" I just want to be able to read this thread without having to skip pages of insane death of the author bullshit raditts fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mar 29, 2017 22:26
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I will happily eat a ban if by the end of the series: 1. Jack didn't get his sword back. 2. Jack and Ashi fell in love.
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Mar 29, 2017 22:46
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raditts posted:I just want to be able to read this thread without having to skip pages of insane death of the author bullshit Why Samurai Jack Is Failing Feminism And Minorities - read more at jezebel.com
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Mar 29, 2017 22:50
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Sorry, shouldn't have thought about the message being conveyed by media, especially not without checking from the author-on-high first. I'll go back to scribbling on every wall of my cell at the asylum now. I'd really hate to point out the flaws of a power fantasy starring a cis-het-able-male oligarch.
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Mar 29, 2017 22:53
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Hey, Jack is at least mentally ill.
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Mar 29, 2017 22:58
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Mr.Tophat posted:I think it's an acceptable response when one encounters an absurd argument/criticism to state, "that is absurd and divorced from reality you utter goon." Absolutely, I was more referring to the thing earlier, 'Can we have this one thing where we don't grasp at straws for reasons to consider it "problematic" ' from the other person.
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Mar 29, 2017 23:01
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jacks gonna get his sword back cause that'd be cool
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Mar 29, 2017 23:03
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Sorry, shouldn't have thought about the message being conveyed by media, especially not without checking from the author-on-high first. I'll go back to scribbling on every wall of my cell at the asylum now. I'd really hate to point out the flaws of a power fantasy starring a cis-het-able-male oligarch. Sir, this is a McDonald's drivethru.
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raditts posted:So tell me, how did you read the words "grasping at straws" and translate that to "no criticisms allowed" mandatory lesbian posted:jacks gonna get his sword back cause that'd be cool I wouldn't be surprised if the real magic was inside him all along or something. I think if he gets his sword back it has to represent a relatable struggle most likely, and I think him losing his sword is sort of a metaphor for losing his youth possibly? It's quite interesting because, with the closed miniseries format and the audience age bump, the ending might actually not fit into any of the tropes we usually see in cartoons. Whatever it is will probably be a reflection on how Genndy sees the world, so it'll be fun to see if he has a depressing outlook or an optimistic one; though I certainly don't want him to force a happy or bittersweet ending if that's not his actual outlook. curse of flubber fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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