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Sickening posted:What? Explain to me what containment priest is too strong for. Good answers are always on the menu. As an abzan company player, could we please not?
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mcmagic posted:Glorybringer is going be amazing in standard. Finally, Janjeet Sentry's time to shine!
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Entropic posted:It's surely an answer to the oppressive Planar Bridge deck FFL was convinced would otherwise dominate the metagame. To be fair, it could have been an answer to "traverse the ulvenwald, search my Emrakul".
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Mar 30, 2017 17:55
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Soul Glo posted:So what are we fetching that this hates on Traverse is the only card I can think of that cares about searching your library other than evolving wilds which was already mentioned.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:56
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Sickening posted:What? Explain to me what containment priest is too strong for. Good answers are always on the menu. it'd be super broken with Flickerwisp and Eldrazi Displacer
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Mar 30, 2017 17:56
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Marketing New Brain posted:Traverse is the only card I can think of that cares about searching your library other than evolving wilds which was already mentioned. Yeah, the bans changed the card from "sideboard" to "almost unplayable" little munchkin posted:it'd be super broken with Flickerwisp and Eldrazi Displacer And Displacer is currently in standard too!
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Mar 30, 2017 17:57
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Finally, an answer to the oppressive Planeswalker deck walker tutors! 
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Mar 30, 2017 17:58
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YggdrasilTM posted:Suddenly standard become a nightmare of control decks, prison decks and mind twists for 4 at turn 3 Wait, where's the nightmare? That's pretty much the dream.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:00
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Mar 30, 2017 18:00
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little munchkin posted:it'd be super broken with Flickerwisp and Eldrazi Displacer Is that super broken by modern standards?
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Mar 30, 2017 18:01
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mcmagic posted:Completely unplayable in the current standard but that could always change... That's not why they printed it. It's because its safe as gently caress to print in standard but sees some play in other formats. Like it doesn't even really hose Evolving Wilds or Attune because you run too many basics.\ The other option is that it was printed to stop Traverse from getting Emrakul.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:13
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Rinkles posted:Is that super broken by modern standards? both of those cards are already strong, so giving them another card to combo with that also incidentally hoses entire decks would prbobably be broken, yes
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Mar 30, 2017 18:13
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Soul Glo posted:So what are we fetching that this hates on Right now I think the only relevant thing it interacts with is Lost Legacy, Evolving Wilds and Renegade Map.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:14
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Sickening posted:What? Explain to me what containment priest is too strong for. It isn't. The three-card combo described is a three card combo. There's already three card combos that make you instantly win.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:15
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Angry Grimace posted:It isn't. The three-card combo described is a three card combo. There's already three card combos that make you instantly win. What's the combo? I only see it as another white sideboard card.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:20
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mcmagic posted:Completely unplayable in the current standard but that could always change... god drat do I love spoiler season
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Mar 30, 2017 18:22
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Angry Grimace posted:It isn't. The three-card combo described is a three card combo. There's already three card combos that make you instantly win. It's not a three-card combo, it's 2-card combos with one half that you're already playing, and a new second half that is a 1-card instant win in a handful of matchups sure death's shadow or burn whatever can beat it (flicker effects are actually pretty strong against death's shadow though), but I'd like the format to consist of other decks as well
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Mar 30, 2017 18:23
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BizarroAzrael posted:Right now I think the only relevant thing it interacts with is Lost Legacy, Evolving Wilds and Renegade Map. None of which requires Mindcensor to be reprinted, so either this is for Modern considerations (lol) or maybe we're getting better fetch options out of Amonkhet. Or maybe this was their answer if they didn't want to outright ban Emmy, but it proved too warping to last until Amonket's release. Soul Glo fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 18:26
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80s James Hetfield posted:god drat do I love spoiler season That post is a fine vintage, classic mcmagic
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Mar 30, 2017 18:30
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little munchkin posted:It's not a three-card combo, it's 2-card combos with one half that you're already playing, and a new second half that is a 1-card instant win in a handful of matchups It isn't even vaguely as strong as you are imagining and you have a bizarre definition of "instant win" with a creature that dies to un-revolted Fatal Push, Path to Exile, Lightning Bolt, Tarfire, and essentially every other removal spell that exists. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 18:33
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Speaking of things that are good against Death's Shadow, you guys should try out Condemn some time. It's pretty hilarious.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:34
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Priest isn't too much in legacy but white really doesn't need another silver bullet card that a lot of decks can't beat, and this one is easily maindeck if you also play displacer. It's a card that kills some of the variety around right now. I say this as someone that LOVES playing hatebears effects in every format possible but also as someone playing abzan company.Angry Grimace posted:It isn't even vaguely as strong as you are imagining and you have a bizarre definition of "instant win" with a creature that dies to un-revolted Fatal Push, Path to Exile, Lightning Bolt, Tarfire, and essentially every other removal spell that exists. How could I forget it dies to doom blade, it's terrible
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Mar 30, 2017 18:35
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little munchkin posted:It's not a three-card combo, it's 2-card combos with one half that you're already playing, and a new second half that is a 1-card instant win in a handful of matchups It dies to literally all the format's marquee removal. I think it would be a reasonable combo but nowhere near as powerful as you are implying.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:35
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Priest isn't too much in legacy but white really doesn't need another silver bullet card that a lot of decks can't beat, and this one is easily maindeck if you also play displacer. It's a card that kills some of the variety around right now. I say this as someone that LOVES playing hatebears effects in every format possible but also as someone playing abzan company. I like how you seem to think not only is "can be removed by cards played in relatively large amounts in every deck" is an inherently irrelevant argument, but also that this is true when the underlying argument is that there are all these decks that will lose to a 2/2's passive ability. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 18:38
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I could be completely wrong about it but it would make eldrazi taxes and white sideboards significantly better while discouraging people from playing company/chord decks, goryos decks, dredge, breach, etc.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:38
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I could be completely wrong about it but it would make eldrazi taxes and white sideboards significantly better while discouraging people from playing company/chord decks, goryos decks, dredge, breach, etc. Like, if Birthing Pod was legal, I might think there was some merit to the argument, but it isn't. That theory is why Standard has lovely artifact hate and lovely graveyard hate. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 18:41
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Angry Grimace posted:If you are playing a deck that cannot afford to play any copies of any removal, you have to understand that getting hosed by a sideboard card is exactly what your deck is built to have happen to it. The idea that Wizards should not print cards that hose decks that play no possible way to remove opposing threats to protect those decks is legitimately silly. Name one other maindeckable card in modern that shuts off that many strategies though? The decks playing a bunch of paths and pushes aren't the decks priest would be good against. Comparing it to the standard problem is irrelevant because "answer" cards aren't a problem in modern. I'm saying adding yet another one of those silver bullets is super unnecessary. I almost want it to get printed so I can get a foil for my Gaddock Teeg edh deck and play the 3 copies I have sitting around in unused legacy decks. That or stoneforge would be enough to get me to play taxes variants in modern all the time instead of only at local weeklies.
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Since I was getting caught up on the thread and story chat was a few pages ago, I do want to say while 99% of the stories are hot garbage every once in awhile a good one happens! http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/stories-and-endings-2016-05-11 (Broken clock, etc)
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For a casual (modern) red snow deck, is there a solid replacement for divining top to power Scrying Sheets? Crystal Ball was the best replacement I could find.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Name one other maindeckable card in modern that shuts off that many strategies though? The decks playing a bunch of paths and pushes aren't the decks priest would be good against. Comparing it to the standard problem is irrelevant because "answer" cards aren't a problem in modern. I'm saying adding yet another one of those silver bullets is super unnecessary. Scavenging Ooze?
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Mar 30, 2017 18:59
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Name one other maindeckable card in modern that shuts off that many strategies though? The decks playing a bunch of paths and pushes aren't the decks priest would be good against. Comparing it to the standard problem is irrelevant because "answer" cards aren't a problem in modern. I'm saying adding yet another one of those silver bullets is super unnecessary. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Serenade posted:For a casual (modern) red snow deck, is there a solid replacement for divining top to power Scrying Sheets? Crystal Ball was the best replacement I could find. No, but you shouldn't be doing any work to enable scrying sheets anyways. The whole point of the card is the extremely low setup cost of putting a colorless land in your mono-colored deck. Play one of the Chandras or Outpost Siege if you want more card advantage.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:02
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Angry Grimace posted:Nobody is going to maindeck Containment Priest on the 5% chance their opponent is playing Living End or something because Containment Priest is a Grizzly Bears with flash if its ability doesn't do anything, which it doesn't in 95% of matchups. Just eyeballing mtggoldfish, priest hits about 13% of the modern decks by herself. That combined with displacer/flickerwisp synergy makes her well more than enough to maindeck at least 2 copies. Not quite as much as I thought, but if you're willingly ignoring decks for the sake of posting then there's not much discussion to be had.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:07
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Just eyeballing mtggoldfish, priest hits about 13% of the modern decks by herself. That combined with displacer/flickerwisp synergy makes her well more than enough to maindeck at least 2 copies. Not quite as much as I thought, but if you're willingly ignoring decks for the sake of posting then there's not much discussion to be had. Oh holy poo poo 13% of the format that's 1 in every 8 matches
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Mar 30, 2017 19:11
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little munchkin posted:No, but you shouldn't be doing any work to enable scrying sheets anyways. The whole point of the card is the extremely low setup cost of putting a colorless land in your mono-colored deck. Oh, huh. I could have sworn mono white control only got away with Scrying Sheets because of top. But if it's not needed then good, more deck space.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:15
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TheKingofSprings posted:Oh holy poo poo 13% of the format that's 1 in every 8 matches I admitted it wasn't as much as I assume and I also said I could be completely wrong about it. Thanks for reminding me why I don't engage in discussion here very often though.
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I don't think already good decks getting an extremely good means of making GBS threads on 1/8th of the format is good for it. Hence why I anticipate Containment Priest is in Amkomiket and WoTC will claim Temur Dynavolt is an upcoming Modern deck when they rationalize not banning it.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:19
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I admitted it wasn't as much as I assume and I also said I could be completely wrong about it. Thanks for reminding me why I don't engage in discussion here very often though. You ignored the actual salient point I made about a card that occupies a similar niche to Priest in what it does while being good as a card by itself and being a 2 of in a couple of solidly performing decks but not format oppressing. The combos you're espousing are fine but there are comparable combos that just win on the spot in Modern instead of a slow exile engine.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:21
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I don't think already good decks getting an extremely good means of making GBS threads on 1/8th of the format is good for it. I really do hope it gets a standard printing, because it'd be an answer to issues but not a "welp gg" answer. The fact that it's modern playable is just icing on the cake.
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Serenade posted:Oh, huh. I could have sworn mono white control only got away with Scrying Sheets because of top. But if it's not needed then good, more deck space. When they were briefly in standard together that was a good deck, but the version of MWC that stuck around after Kamigawa rotated for TSP was solid and didn't need Top. God, that was another really awesome deck I miss. Proc+Martyr and Sacred Mesa and Gauntlet of Power...
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