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Brainiac Five posted:You approvingly quoted an article saying they were Quote the section that says so, please.
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TyrantWD posted:If the GOP were able to drop the overt bigotry, but keep every other part of their platform, we would probably be looking at decades of single party rule. loving lmao at saying this. It's clear at this point that GOP has forgotten how to govern, and America loves to go "throw the bums out" every 4-8 years, so no, I'm not worried about a GOP perma majority.
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Majorian posted:Quote the section that says so, please. You refuse to treat me with any modicum of respect, boasting of how you'll cut up my posts in order to avoid responding honestly, cheering on any insult that I receive, and yet you think that you can make these kinds of requests? That you can just tell people to piss straight into the wind and expect them to do it? Civil discussion is long dead in this thread, and you demanding it from other people while refusing to engage in it yourself is a sad joke. Good God, your parents were criminally bad at their job, and your teachers weren't much better.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:55
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TyrantWD posted:Hillary won among voters whose primary concern was the economy (Obama lost to Romney on this). Overall, yes. But overall numbers don't matter as much as numbers in strategically vital regions, like Ohio. quote:Trump dominated on immigration, and national security. People in this thread need to recognize that working/middle-class white voters are not single issue voters. You are not going to win them back by abandoning neoliberal economics. We're not going to win them back by denying its deleterious effects and doubling down on them, either. Repealing NAFTA is a bad idea, but there's a tremendous amount of structural friction that's been caused by it and other trade agreements. A lot of working-class former Dems have been consigned to poverty, and the Democratic Party simply hasn't done enough to alleviate this when it's in power. If we're going to be telling each other what they "need to do," you and voters like you need to realize that the Democrats cannot keep using the Clinton 90's election strategy if they want to win another presidential election in our lifetime. quote:It's also funny to see the hatred for centrist Democrats, when they are all that is standing between you and one party rule. I certainly don't hate them. I think many of them could be aiming a lot higher, I think their strategy failed miserably in 2016, and I think they need to adjust their strategy to be more in-line with what the Sanders wing of the party is proposing, but that's pretty far from "hatred." Brainiac Five posted:You refuse to treat me with any modicum of respect Oh quit whining; you call people "motherfucker" and make threats of physical violence against them. Glass houses, you huffy goofball.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:57
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Majorian posted:Overall, yes. But overall numbers don't matter as much as numbers in strategically vital regions, like Ohio. You don't hate, yet you find excuses to treat people as less than human because they... swear? And now you're hating on antifa too. Oh myyyyy.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:03
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Majorian posted:Oh quit whining; you call people "motherfucker" and make threats of physical violence against them. Glass houses, you huffy goofball. literally every effectronica post is hyperagressive ego defense through ad homs and reductio ad absurdum. he's not very creative. stop giving him fuel, put him on ignore and he'll go away.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:literally every effectronica post is hyperagressive ego defense through ad homs and reductio ad absurdum. he's not very creative. "Leftist" brags about how he treats people as subhuman, insists it's what Luxemburg would have wanted.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:07
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:literally every effectronica post is hyperagressive ego defense through ad homs and reductio ad absurdum. he's not very creative. Eh, I know, but I do enjoy arguing with him. It's good practice.
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To be fair, if any of y'all were drowning I'd go get a drink and some snacks and cheer on the water, so...
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Majorian posted:Eh, I know, but I do enjoy arguing with him. It's good practice. Maybe take it to PMs or something? It fucks up the thread for everyone else when people give him attention.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Maybe take it to PMs or something? It fucks up the thread for everyone else when people give him attention. You guys transparently want a thread that's just you circlejerking about how much you hate Hillary and "centrists". You freak out about anyone offering any kind of dissent. Knock it off with this pretense that Crowsbeak would magically grow a brain if I had my throat slit.
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TyrantWD posted:It's also funny to see the hatred for centrist Democrats, when they are all that is standing between you and one party rule.  The GOP control the leg., the state legs., the executive, the state executives. Please explain to me how feckless Dem centrists are holding this poo poo down.
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Brainiac Five posted:You guys transparently want a thread that's just you circlejerking about how much you hate Hillary and "centrists". You freak out about anyone offering any kind of dissent. Knock it off with this pretense that Crowsbeak would magically grow a brain if I had my throat slit. Crowbeak is actually a way better poster than you are.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Maybe take it to PMs or something? It fucks up the thread for everyone else when people give him attention. That's fair, I'll stop responding to him.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Crowbeak is actually a way better poster than you are. I'm not surprised you'd defend the illiterate Nazi, and I'm glad because when the Secret Service arrests you for threatening a former Secretary of State maybe they'll RICO all of CSPAM.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:46
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Brainiac Five posted:I'm not surprised you'd defend the illiterate Nazi, and I'm glad because when the Secret Service arrests you for threatening a former Secretary of State maybe they'll RICO all of CSPAM. Oh my gosh I'm gonna get arrested for saying Clinton hosed up the election guys See y'all when I'm out of jail 🤣
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Mar 30, 2017 17:47
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Oh my gosh You'll get arrested for sharing your unbelievably vile fantasies about the former Secretary of State with one of the few Bernieists with morals, or possibly you're stupid enough to do so publicly. I'm sure the Dr. Fishopolises of the world are wringing their hands that someone isn't responding to the constant smears of people with unending submission and cheerful forbearance, which is why all Bernieists, no matter what they may say, are equally complicit when one starts gabbling fascist propaganda or jabbering about how the Rothschilds control the Democratic Party, because all of you will justify one another.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:52
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Brainiac Five posted:You'll get arrested for sharing your unbelievably vile fantasies about the former Secretary of State with one of the few Bernieists with morals, or possibly you're stupid enough to do so publicly. Please seek mental help. 
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Hmmm for all the complaining about how dumb leftists have taken over this thread, JC is usually pretty silent for the day or two we occasionally get B5 in here threatening murder, until he's probated again.
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Kilroy posted:Hmmm for all the complaining about how dumb leftists have taken over this thread, JC is usually pretty silent for the day or two we occasionally get B5 in here threatening murder, until he's probated again. I haven't threatened murder at all in this thread, but it's not surprising that you'd try to slander me, knowing you have nothing else of use. I did notice that when I make effortposts people are consciously silent, so I vowed not to intimidate you by writing in depth about issues like the efficacy of job retraining, instead limiting myself to laughing at your inane class analysis and your inability to admit you hosed up. And meanwhile, I remember you shrieking in your whiny expat voice at JC to go away for weeks.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:01
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Brainiac Five posted:You'll get arrested for sharing your unbelievably vile fantasies about the former Secretary of State with one of the few Bernieists with morals, or possibly you're stupid enough to do so publicly. You have strange fantasies in your head, kiddo
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To be fair, I consistently pretend as though Bernieists are capable of anything other than sitting around and waiting for people to cater to them. I am grateful that I don't have to repeatedly pepper-spray people who lunge at me with a knife while calling me a neoliberal Shillary, but I do kind of wish there was any chance Bernieists might be useful for something.
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Brainiac Five posted:You refuse to treat me with any modicum of respect, boasting of how you'll cut up my posts in order to avoid responding honestly, cheering on any insult that I receive, and yet you think that you can make these kinds of requests? That you can just tell people to piss straight into the wind and expect them to do it? Civil discussion is long dead in this thread, and you demanding it from other people while refusing to engage in it yourself is a sad joke. Good God, your parents were criminally bad at their job, and your teachers weren't much better. Brainiac Five posted:To be fair, if any of y'all were drowning I'd go get a drink and some snacks and cheer on the water, so... Lmao. 
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BadOptics posted:Lmao. I don't feel any need to treat someone who repeatedly spits on me with respect. Do you?
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Brainiac Five posted:I haven't threatened murder at all in this thread, but it's not surprising that you'd try to slander me, knowing you have nothing else of use.
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Really, if Bernies wanted this to be a discussion rather than a Nuremberg rally, their bald contempt for anyone who disagrees would be nonsensical, but this is a thread for Bernies to get themselves all fired up about the chattering classes, the donor class, the professional class, "Yalie bitches", identity politics, and just about anything other than the forms of non-nationalist socialism previously known to human beings.
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Brainiac Five posted:a Nuremberg rally Who hurt you, Brainiac Five? It's not your fault.
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Kilroy posted:I mean you kept asking "what should the Democrats do about anti-racism" and I tried to respond only to realize you were going to keep saying "no, that's not it" forever, instead of adding to that discussion yourself. So much for effortposts. You offered nothing beyond "prosecuting police officers", something outside the bounds of the legislature, and didn't appear to even understand what antiracism was. Should I have made assumptions about what you actually meant, instead? Should I have just assumed you were unwilling to put positive claims forward instead of screaming at people to go away?
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Brainiac Five posted:You offered nothing beyond "prosecuting police officers", something outside the bounds of the legislature, and didn't appear to even understand what antiracism was. Should I have made assumptions about what you actually meant, instead? Should I have just assumed you were unwilling to put positive claims forward instead of screaming at people to go away?
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Brainiac Five posted:You offered nothing beyond "prosecuting police officers", something outside the bounds of the legislature, and didn't appear to even understand what antiracism was. Should I have made assumptions about what you actually meant, instead? Should I have just assumed you were unwilling to put positive claims forward instead of screaming at people to go away? Do you have something to debate and/or discuss other than how lovely you think everyone here is?
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Kilroy posted:It's not "people" it's JC in particular. And I didn't scream at him to go away I suggested he jump off a cliff, or maybe a bridge if he doesn't live near a cliff. Oh, OK, you told him to kill himself and then went on to accuse me of doing what you did. And now you're not answering any of my questions, leading me to suspect you have no political goals or ideas whatsoever. Why should people follow your faction when you will lead them nowhere?
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I think the weirdest thing you do, at least wrt me anyway, is how to bring up my time living outside the US so much, as some kind of "gotcha". It's bizarre. While I'm trying to figure what the gently caress you were actually on about with "anti-racism" maybe you could shed some light on your pathology there. Or you can continue lobbing more bizarre insults at various posters ITT, tho that seems kinda played out 
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Mar 30, 2017 18:36
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Brainiac Five posted:Oh, OK, you told him to kill himself and then went on to accuse me of doing what you did. And now you're not answering any of my questions, leading me to suspect you have no political goals or ideas whatsoever. Why should people follow your faction when you will lead them nowhere? 
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Do you have something to debate and/or discuss other than how lovely you think everyone here is? Considering that that post was a continuation of a discussion about what antiracism from Democrats should look like, obviously so. Considering how many posts accusing people of being centrists, sociopaths, rich, college-educated, etc. as an insult are tossed out by Bernie wingnuts, you are throwing rocks from glass houses here.
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Kilroy posted:Threatening murder is not the same thing as suggesting suicide Maybe you could elaborate on why it's morally superior to wish someone dead so long as there's no blood on your hands, if you don't want to discuss antiracism.
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Brainiac Five posted:Considering how many posts accusing people of being centrists, sociopaths, rich, college-educated, etc. as an insult are tossed out by Bernie wingnuts, you are throwing rocks from glass houses here.
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I don't think B5 actually cares about these issues other than how they present an avenue to violently argue with people he considers subhuman.
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MooselanderII posted:I don't think B5 actually cares about these issues other than how they present an avenue to violently argue with people he considers subhuman. I am sure Dr. Fishopolis will condemn this post that is about nothing but how terrible a person you imagine me to be.
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WampaLord posted:Who hurt you, Brainiac Five? Anyone else want to talk about DWS sticking her head out from the Vipers Den I asusme she live in.
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Please forward me to the elaborate fantasies of Dem murder itt, I'd like to peruse them while pleasuring myself.
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