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Runa
Feb 13, 2011

TKIY posted:

Maybe it's time to close this one up. I'm sure someone else can fire up a death thread if they want.

Don't GreenMarine this chat thread

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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Lord_Hambrose posted:

Remember 20 to 30 years ago when they used to have those Pepsi challenges? I would do it every time and could always tell the difference between the Pepsi and Coke. The Pepsi was always identifiable as it was too sweet. I worked up quite the fascination with Coke around the time they came up with Coke Classic. I hated that New Coke, as it tasted like Pepsi, too sweet. Fearing I was drinking too much of he Coke Classic, I switched to Diet Coke as I couldn't stand it. Now, I have an even unhealthier addiction to Diet Coke. I drink one or two a night and feel like a drug addict once I finally get it going through my system. I even drink it in my mixed drinks. Rum and Diet Coke with a Lime is my preferred drink. I can tell every time I order it and get Diet Pepsi mixed in instead. It's too sweet. Today I tried a Diet Pepsi product for the first time in my life that isn't too sweet. **The Find** While grocery shopping today I found a display with small sample size (12 oz.) bottles of Diet Pepsi Max. Right on the bottle it calls itself an "invigorating cola." Okay, that intrigued me. It was only 50 cents for this sample bottle, so I thought, alright I'll try it. The "invigorating" thing got to me. It reminded me of my fascination with Diet Coke and had me questioning if this was the target audience. **The Taste** I opened up the Diet Pepsi Max and tried it on my way home from the store. Lo and behold, it wasn't bad! There was just a tiny, tiny little resemblance to that familiar Pepsi sweetness. And there was quite the "invigorating" bite to it. It really did remind me of the boldness of a Diet Coke. **Conclusion** While I still remain faithful to my Diet Coke, Diet Pepsi Max is the first close second I have found. If it was on sale, I just might consider buying it instead of Diet Coke.

You should drink Moxie.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Ashcans posted:

You should drink Moxie.

You monster

Hixson
Mar 27, 2009

Gas this trash

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
April's fools is coming early this year, isn't it?

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

nopantsjack posted:

Why?

The worst seems to be over now we're just palling around. Either way in a week this thread will be a ghost town as normal and then pick up during the age of emperor stuff.

It's gotta be the most active this thread's been when GW hasn't actually done anything.

Mango Polo posted:

nice meltadown

um it's actually a flamer???

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

Hixson posted:

Gas this trash

now turn on you're monitor

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Xarbala posted:

You monster

Hey you can talk poo poo all you like about miniatures, but mess with soda and this is going to get serious

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Ashcans posted:

Hey you can talk poo poo all you like about miniatures, but mess with soda and this is going to get serious

Just a nice cool glass of still water for me, thanks.

e: would that be KoW in a wargaming analogy?

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

nopantsjack posted:

Just a nice cool glass of still water for me, thanks.

e: would that be KoW in a wargaming analogy?

*ducks for cover*

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
Can just we... we all look for chocolate eggs together? :ohdear:?

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

Ashcans posted:

Hey you can talk poo poo all you like about miniatures, but mess with soda and this is going to get serious

do not start foodchat you know the next thing that'll happen is a vitriolic screed about ketchup

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

Avenging Dentist posted:

do not start foodchat you know the next thing that'll happen is a vitriolic screed about ketchup
The general public is becoming more aware that processed food is toxic and full of chemicals. We’re understanding that organic is a better option and it’s better to make something at home with fresh, organic ingredients than to buy it from the store. There are certain store bought little things though that we may not think much about making ourselves because they seem simple, i’m talking about condiments like mustard, sauces, dressings and ketchup. Whether you’re a meat eater or a vegan you may still love that ketchup taste and use it on a variety of foods or to dip foods into. Recently I was doing some research on high fructose corn syrup and what I found shocked me.

I’ll get to that more in a minute, but first I want to share with you why you should read and understand the heinz ketchup ingredient label. At first glance you may think that there are a few questionable ingredients but by digging deeper you’ll actually find it’s not only not healthy but extremely toxic and in my personal opinion quite dangerous to consume over time.

Here’s the heinz “ketchup” ingredient label:


If you aren’t already familiar with how ingredient labels work, the label lists ingredients in order from most to least in the product, meaning that tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes is what is in this ketchup most, followed secondly by distilled vinegar, high fructose corn syrup etc. Onion powder and natural flavoring are a small percentage of the overall content of this bottle. Now that you understand this I want to share with you what is actually in heinz ketchup served at mostly every restaurant, fast food or not in America and in many other countries.

Here’s the full ingredient list:

1. Tomato Concentrate

2. Distilled Vinegar

3. High Fructose Corn Syrup

4. Corn Syrup

5. Salt, Spice, Onion Powder, Natural Flavor etc.

When I first read this label I laughed to myself because Heinz is already trying to trick you, the consumer into thinking it’s a healthy condiment by labeling two of the ingredients differently even though they are the exact same ingredient. Can you guess which two? It’s quite obvious right? High fructose corn syrup and corn syrup are the same exact thing, they are both ‘high fructose corn syrup’ but they are going with adding a second corn syrup name to try to trick you into thinking there are more ingredients than there really are for two reasons.

First, they probably want you to think that corn syrup is healthier than high fructose corn syrup so they separate the two. They also want you to think there is a difference, which there is not and lastly they most likely did this because consumers are becoming aware of the higher the ingredient on the ingredient list the more there is contained in the product. So if they just took “High Fructose Corn Syrup” and put that on the label with no ‘corn syrup’ that would probably be much higher on the list. The ingredient label may look more like this:

1. High Fructose Corn Syrup

2. Tomato Concentrate

3. Distilled Vinegar

4. Salt, Spices etc.

Their label would be ruined! It would create transparency and show you that you’re buying and eating more corn syrup from GMO corn than ACTUAL tomato based ketchup. This is just the start too, wait until you understand the rest of the label. This is already a tomato-red flag in my opinion though. They are already using the labeling system to try to deceive you. The second issue I have with heinz ketchup and another reason why I will not consume it is that they use distilled vinegar. Guess where most vinegar comes from? Genetically Modified Corn.

With the high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup and distilled vinegar we already have three corn based ingredients in what should be tomato tasting ketchup, but wait! there’s more.

The label goes on to say ‘salt, spice, onion powder, natural flavoring’ at the end. The salt they use is the cheapest form of salt that can be bought which is the type of salt that causes high blood pressure, toxicity in the body and mineral imbalances (high sodium in the blood) which leads to many health challenges if consumed too frequently. They go on the label to say ‘natural flavors’ and what they mean by that? Only God knows. If we look at the rest of the heinz label (as you can see below) you’ll notice that there is no fiber or protein but there is sodium and sugar. Where does the sugar come from? Maybe ‘natural flavor’ is sugar. You’ll see that 1 tbsp is 7% of your daily sugar value so each spoonful of ketchup you consume on anything you increase your sodium daily value by 7%, count away… 7-14-21-28. Do you see how quick that adds up? you could consume a large chunk of your daily sodium value with just a condiment, let alone the food you eat along with it.



There are multiple reasons to avoid heinz ketchup for the sake of your health and well-being but i’ll sum it up in 3 solid reasons why you should avoid heinz ketchup like the plague and why i’ll be doing so also.

1. High Fructose Corn Syrup: Heinz Ketchup is LOADED with high fructose corn syrup. I wonder if that would be the number one ingredient in the ketchup if they didn’t play this “list the ingredient twice under two names” trick on us. High fructose corn syrup is extremely unhealthy and toxic. It acts like a sugar in the body when it’s metabolized, somewhat… only worse! because it comes from genetically modified corn it is even more toxic. It spikes your blood sugar levels and will damage the liver over time. High fructose corn syrup can lead to obesity, heart disease, diabetes, a weakend immune system and so much more. You may already know this but what frightened me even more was what I read from Dr. Mark Hyman’s website recently. He noted that an FDA researcher contacted the corn producers to send her a barrel of high fructose corn syrup for testing, they wouldn’t send her a barrel even though she attempted to receive one multiple times. Finally, she changed her approach and asked a new beverage company on the market for a barrel. They sent her one gladly. After doing the testing she found that high fructose corn syrup contains high levels of Mercury, an extremely toxic heavy metal. This information and research comes from an FDA researcher! Mercury affects the brain, nervous system, can lead to autism and it really harms children. I highly recommend avoiding heinz ketchup or ANY other food containing high fructose corn syrup with your children.

Remember, Heinz decided to list high fructose corn syrup and ‘corn syrup’ as separate so they actually have a higher level of high fructose corn syrup in ketchup than you’d think, meaning higher levels of mercury also if their corn syrup correlates with corn syrup that has been tested thus far.

Not only has high fructose corn syrup been proven to be unhealthy and toxic, genetically modified foods have also, this is both a GMO food and a toxic poisonous sweetener.

2. Distilled Vinegar & Sugar: Heinz ketchup contains distilled vinegar as another ingredient and on their label they list 4 grams of sugar per serving which is each tablespoon. Distilled vinegar is created from genetically modified corn which is grown with toxic pesticides and chemicals. Ingesting this in the form of vinegar is not beneficial in any way to your health, it’s only toxic. They list ‘natural flavors’ on the ingredients and list 4 grams of sugar above it. This leads me to believe they not only added high fructose corn syrup in a all to generous amount but they added sugar also and labeled it as ‘natural flavors’ on the label. Most sugar in mass produces products come from GMO sources. GMO beet sugar is the most common used. If the toxic high fructose corn syrup wasn’t bad enough for your pancreas, liver, metabolism, immune system, nervous system and brain the super generous Heinz Corporations decided to add some more chemicals, gmo’s and sugar into your ketchup to add fuel to the fire for you!

This much sugar without any fiber or anything else has been shown to spike blood sugar levels and begins to weigh on your pancreas and your liver.

3. No Nutritional Value Whatsoever: Heinz has NO fiber and NO protein and NO nutrition in their ketchup. The miniscule amount of ‘tomato paste’ may contain a very very small amount of cooked lycopene that won’t even be available by your body to absorb. This ketchup is a chemical poo poo storm of genetically modified ingredients, sugar and toxic sugar like substances. It’s void of any nutrition yet full of GMO’s, sugar, and chemicals and even possibly mercury, a heavy metal that is extremely toxic to the body.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Oh thank god I thought it was going to be about ketchup on hot dogs

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I'm more of a Cholula hot sauce guy.

Or i make my own garlic and blue cheese mayo that is incredible, it burns to eat and I stink for hours.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Well if ketchup is so terrible, what am I supposed to put on my steak?

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003
I love Heinz ketchup. None of that low-class Del Monte poo poo for me.

Xarbala posted:

Oh thank god I thought it was going to be about ketchup on hot dogs
Hot dogs are naked without ketchup.

nopantsjack posted:

I'm more of a Cholula hot sauce guy.

Or i make my own garlic and blue cheese mayo that is incredible, it burns to eat and I stink for hours.
I've been into chipotle mayo lately. Taco Bell uses it on their mini chicken quesadillas and, while it sounds absolutely disgusting, that poo poo is amazing.

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
Soy sauce.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Xarbala posted:

Oh thank god I thought it was going to be about ketchup on hot dogs

Ketchup and mustard belong on hotdogs

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Ashcans posted:

Well if ketchup is so terrible, what am I supposed to put on my steak?

Salt and lemon juice. Only way to fly.






Holy poo poo I'm so dull

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
Life Hack: Save the resin dust from cleaning your Forgeworld miniatures and sprinkle it on your steak for a nice flavor kick!!

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


what hobby projects are y'all up to? I've got bit by the modelling bug but am totally indecisive about what to get so I'm just making random terrain until I figure it out but my latest, biggest project (bridge over punji pit) melted when I sprayed it cause I'm a dummie and was like "durr all packing foam is the same!".

hot dogs are the only thing i eat with ketchup

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Did the bad thread get closed?

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

berzerkmonkey posted:

Hot dogs are naked without ketchup.

ijyt posted:

Ketchup and mustard belong on hotdogs

Ikr?

When I saw people in another thread saying otherwise, I had no words

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer
Ketchup is a legit trash condiment for idiots. Mayo too.

Mustard's my jam though.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Southpaugh posted:

Did the bad thread get closed?

They are all bad threads, Brent.

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
Peace at least.
Phew.
Say Moola, do skellingtons believe in the easter bunny as well?

Broken Record Talk
Jul 28, 2009

A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.
The only way to eat a hotdog is to throw it out and get a sausage instead. Then eat it with hot peppers and mustard.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Safety Factor posted:

Ketchup is a legit trash condiment for idiots. Mayo too.

Mustard's my jam though.

You are a true monster.

Broken Record Talk posted:

The only was to eat a hotdog is to throw it out and get a sausage instead. Then eat it with hot peppers and mustard.
You too. Sausages have their place, but not as a hot dog replacement.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

Broken Record Talk posted:

The only way to eat a hotdog is to throw it out and get a sausage instead. Then eat it with hot peppers and mustard.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Safety Factor posted:

The general public is becoming more aware that processed food is toxic and full of chemicals.

This is legitimately pissing me off because:

1. Everything contains chemicals

2. All food is artificial

3. All fruit and vegetables (or close to) that we eat are genetically modified. Corn didn't just spring into existence fully-formed

High-fructose corn syrup is bad poo poo and I'm really surprised to see it contains mercury but the fact ketchup has GMOs in it has absolutely no issue for the consumer.

GMOs and their regulation are a massive issue if you care about biodiversity, the rights of farmers, the right of a company to own basic science, and so on, but being genetically modified is going to do jack poo poo to your health on it's lonesome (and even then most food is actually fortified, instead of being made less nutritious, so most GMO food contains more nutrient content, not less).

EDIT: Also checking our ketchup it's mostly water, 29% puree, and vinegar, so I guess the UK has less lovely ketchup.

spectralent fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Mar 30, 2017

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I'm going to salvage this loving punji pit I'll just keep giving it PVA coats until it stops melting!

I won't give up on you!

It stuck to the cardboard I was using as a spray shield but that's fine it just gives it a bottom that had otherwise melted out. This won't stop me you hear!

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

nopantsjack posted:

what hobby projects are y'all up to? I've got bit by the modelling bug but am totally indecisive about what to get so I'm just making random terrain until I figure it out but my latest, biggest project (bridge over punji pit) melted when I sprayed it cause I'm a dummie and was like "durr all packing foam is the same!".

I've been taking a break from miniature stuff because I just got a new job and I'm busy playing Too Much Overwatch, but I want to finish up sculpting the bases on my Kukulkani. I got some neat little brass etch jungle plants I'm gonna use for foliage (never really liked using fake aquarium plants).

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

spectralent posted:

GMOs and their regulation are a massive issue if you care about biodiversity, the rights of farmers, the right of a company to own basic science, and so on, but being genetically modified is going to do jack poo poo to your health on it's lonesome (and even then most food is actually fortified, instead of being made less nutritious, so most GMO food contains more nutrient content, not less).

My friend's girlfriend works in the bio field and if you want to see someone flip their poo poo when some idiot brings up GMOs, she's the person to see.

As an aside, the GMO thing is a great argument against the earlier claim that the Internet is greater than the printing press. It does give quicker access to facts, but also propagates and enforces misinformation at an alarming rate.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

spectralent posted:

This is legitimately pissing me off because:

1. Everything contains chemicals

2. All food is artificial

3. All fruit and vegetables (or close to) that we eat are genetically modified. Corn didn't just spring into existence fully-formed

High-fructose corn syrup is bad poo poo and I'm really surprised to see it contains mercury but the fact ketchup has GMOs in it has absolutely no issue for the consumer.

GMOs and their regulation are a massive issue if you care about biodiversity, the rights of farmers, the right of a company to own basic science, and so on, but being genetically modified is going to do jack poo poo to your health on it's lonesome (and even then most food is actually fortified, instead of being made less nutritious, so most GMO food contains more nutrient content, not less).

EDIT: Also checking our ketchup it's mostly water, 29% puree, and vinegar, so I guess the UK has less lovely ketchup.

noice maltdown

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

berzerkmonkey posted:

My friend's girlfriend works in the bio field and if you want to see someone flip their poo poo when some idiot brings up GMOs, she's the person to see.

As an aside, the GMO thing is a great argument against the earlier claim that the Internet is greater than the printing press. It does give quicker access to facts, but also propagates and enforces misinformation at an alarming rate.

The printing press also allowed people to learn wrong things faster, just not as fast. It's not like papers are so much better.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

panascope posted:

noice maltdown

My condiments for the pun but I feel like I've still got a lot to ketchup on to compete with this thread.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Broken Record Talk posted:

The only way to eat a hotdog is to throw it out and get a sausage instead. Then eat it with hot peppers and mustard.

Sausage Dog is love.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



berzerkmonkey posted:

My [ ] girlfriend

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Its Rinaldo
Aug 13, 2010

CODS BINCH
All Broccoli is a genetically modified as it does not occur in nature in its current form.

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