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Timby posted:Because Drexler is not a good designer. He's a fan of Gabe Koerner's hideous concept for a rebooted 1701: Eh, I'm not a huge fan of the surface greebling, but at least he kept the classic proportions. The JJPrise looks nice in extreme close-up, but the overall silhouette and arrangement are just... off, especially around the secondary hull. 
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Powered Descent posted:Eh, I'm not a huge fan of the surface greebling, but at least he kept the classic proportions. The JJPrise looks nice in extreme close-up, but the overall silhouette and arrangement are just... off, especially around the secondary hull. They tweaked the design to be much more aesthetically pleasing in Beyond, which makes it kind of frustrating that they just blew it up right away after they fixed a lot of problems. Then replaced it with an Enterprise-A that looks practically the same.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:20
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Powered Descent posted:Eh, I'm not a huge fan of the surface greebling, but at least he kept the classic proportions. The JJPrise looks nice in extreme close-up, but the overall silhouette and arrangement are just... off, especially around the secondary hull. The big problem with the JJprise is that the neck connection to the secondary hull is way, way too far back, giving it a goofy underbite. Move it forward and it's perfect. 
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Mar 30, 2017 22:25
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Timby posted:Because Drexler is not a good designer. He's a fan of Gabe Koerner's hideous concept for a rebooted 1701: I think this would be a lot better with different paint and/or lighting.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:35
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The problem with the JJprize is that the engines are stupid looking and way too big.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:39
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Baronjutter posted:The problem with the JJprize is that the engines are stupid looking and way too big. See, I love the giant gently caress-off engines. They're propelling a ship at unbelievable speeds over unbelievable distances, they should look like giant monstrosities.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:41
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The best ships are smooth and matte light-grey.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:52
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Timby posted:The big problem with the JJprise is that the neck connection to the secondary hull is way, way too far back, giving it a goofy underbite. Move it forward and it's perfect. And with that one change I suddenly like the design a whole lot more.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:58
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I don't really care about the JJprise design since the ship was never really fully realized as a character and really only served purpose to be punked by the big bad.
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Mar 30, 2017 23:02
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Powered Descent posted:And with that one change I suddenly like the design a whole lot more. Two minutes in Photoshop. 
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Mar 30, 2017 23:05
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Timby posted:Two minutes in Photoshop. Now do the film!
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Mar 30, 2017 23:07
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The_Doctor posted:I'd have liked it to be the JJPrise. The JJverse is an alternate universe Timby posted:See, I love the giant gently caress-off engines. They're propelling a ship at unbelievable speeds over unbelievable distances, they should look like giant monstrosities. And yet the scientifically derived Best Ship is the Connie Refit 
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Mar 30, 2017 23:57
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Best Non-Fed ship with the Klingon Bird of Prey.
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I was always a Warbird guy.
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twistedmentat posted:Best Non-Fed ship with the TOS Romulan FTFY. Honorable mention goes to the TNG Romulan Warbird. Never been a huge fan of the post-TOS Klingon ships. The designs are fine, but they insisted on painting them all in various shades of green and teal and it just looks bad. Especially the 1980's miami edition Vorchas.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Never been a huge fan of the post-TOS Klingon ships. The designs are fine, but they insisted on painting them all in various shades of green and teal and it just looks bad. Especially the 1980's miami edition Vorchas. The post-TOS Klingon ship design language was permanently hosed by Nilo Rodis, who designed the Bird of Prey as a Romulan ship (as Star Trek III was originally written, Kruge and his crew had stolen it). When the script was changed so that they were just Klingons doing Klingon things in a Klingon ship, Rodis just shrugged and crossed out "Romulan" and replaced it with "Klingon Bird of Prey." ILM getting full control over the starship designs beginning with TSFS was the worst goddamn thing (Nimoy not giving a poo poo about design didn't help, of course).
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Timby posted:Because Drexler is not a good designer. He's a fan of Gabe Koerner's hideous concept for a rebooted 1701: Ah, yeah, that was done back when BSG was still big.
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Orv posted:I was always a Warbird guy. Definitely. Such a sexy design. That two-hulled thing coming together to a big ominous beak... mmm... I love the idea of just being able to pretty much uncloak SURROUNDING a smaller ship, like what the gently caress are they gonna do with that situation?
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Mar 31, 2017 01:57
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I'm a big fan of The Voyager. The way it just transforms when it's going to warp was such a brilliant idea by an obviously handsome executive.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:07
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Even in jest some things are just too far.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:13
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Zesty Crab Legs posted:I'm a big fan of The Voyager. The way it just transforms when it's going to warp was such a brilliant idea by an obviously handsome executive. It's the most 90's thing about the ship and the show was so bland it just sort of fades into the background
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Mar 31, 2017 02:27
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I remember I had the Voyager micro-machine and the nacelles snapped on to the body so you could move them up and down. In practice, they just got loose and you ended up with castrated Voyager.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:34
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Brawnfire posted:Definitely. Such a sexy design. That two-hulled thing coming together to a big ominous beak... mmm... I love the idea of just being able to pretty much uncloak SURROUNDING a smaller ship, like what the gently caress are they gonna do with that situation?
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Mar 31, 2017 02:38
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Brawnfire posted:I remember I had the Voyager micro-machine and the nacelles snapped on to the body so you could move them up and down. In practice, they just got loose and you ended up with castrated Voyager. Seems appropriate, that's basically what happened to the plot
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Mar 31, 2017 02:38
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Nessus posted:Shoot your way out or go to warp? Possibly after informing your home government that the Romulans have declared war on your people. I have this feeling like the Romulans actually suck but have been able to manage their reputation so they SEEM like badasses. I had assumed a hostile situation, so no sneaky cold-war stuff just classic pounce and smash. I feel like being literally surrounded by an enemy's vessel is a strategically poor time to begin firing weapons, but I'm not a starship captain. Edit: Can a shield bubble stop a ship? skasion posted:Seems appropriate, that's basically what happened to the plot 
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Brawnfire posted:I had assumed a hostile situation, so no sneaky cold-war stuff just classic pounce and smash. I feel like being literally surrounded by an enemy's vessel is a strategically poor time to begin firing weapons, but I'm not a starship captain. Have they ever won a war?
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Nessus posted:Well I mean if nothing else, it'll be hard to miss. I assume the Roms would plan for this, but maybe they wouldn't. I wish one of the TNG alternate futures or timelines had involved the Romulans conquering the Klingons. The Romulans were always more interesting but the writers couldn't keep themselves from having them destroyed or defeated all the way through the reboot. Was "Future Imperfect" the only exception?
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Nessus posted:Well I mean if nothing else, it'll be hard to miss. I assume the Roms would plan for this, but maybe they wouldn't. They were on the winning side of the Dominion War.
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Powered Descent posted:They were on the winning side of the Dominion War. Yeah, but the French were on the winning side of both World Wars, even though the UK, US, and USSR did all the heavy lifting.
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Sash! posted:Yeah, but the French were on the winning side of both World Wars, even though the UK, US, and USSR did all the heavy lifting. At least the French were on the winning side both times. Now, the Italians...
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Nessus posted:Well I mean if nothing else, it'll be hard to miss. I assume the Roms would plan for this, but maybe they wouldn't. Apparently they did enough damage to get the Federation to abandon an entire technology tree.
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Beachcomber posted:Apparently they did enough damage to get the Federation to abandon an entire technology tree. The Romulans just don't seem to be real big players, even if they're obviously not like... small, at least by the TNG/DS9 era. (They may have been relatively more impactful earlier.) I wouldn't be surprised if they had less political and economic clout than the Cardassians did. Nessus fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Nessus posted:The Romulans just don't seem to be real big players, even if they're obviously not like... small, at least by the TNG/DS9 era. (They may have been relatively more impactful earlier.) I wouldn't be surprised if they had less political and economic clout than the Cardassians did. The fact that they had been completely isolationist for decades before TNG Season 1 is one thing they (mostly) stuck with, it helped to keep some air of mystery about them. That said, I still want my Machiavellian Romulan spin-off so goddamn bad. All the cunning and patience of Vulcans, but with a human lust for power and control. You can't order a pizza on Romulus without ending up in the Senate beholden to multiple competing factions and carrying out secret missions for the Tal Shiar... and that's before you add toppings. Is Space Borgias really too much to ask for?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:They tweaked the design to be much more aesthetically pleasing in Beyond, which makes it kind of frustrating that they just blew it up right away after they fixed a lot of problems. Then replaced it with an Enterprise-A that looks practically the same. The A may look more different than you think, we just didn't get a good look. The A also corrects my two biggest dislikes about the design: how far back the neck meets the hull (as covered before), and the fact that the pylons bowed outward, which just robbed them of all visual strength.
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After The War posted:Is Space Borgias really too much to ask for? As long as it's still Jeremy Irons, just as a Romulan.
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One Actual Good thing that Voyager had going for it: the opening theme.
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Zesty Crab Legs posted:I'm a big fan of The Voyager. The way it just transforms when it's going to warp was such a brilliant idea by an obviously handsome executive. The USS Toilet Lid.  Although it's kind of grown on me actually.  It's so sleek. It's definitely the most futuristic looking of the hero ships imo. Kind of looks like a fat robot or a toad with those windows on top.  Speaking of the swing-wing pylons, I can't imagine how much of a pain in the rear end it is to keep those things moving. Imagine them gumming up after a while, although I imagine they can fire the warp engines pylons down or cockeyed, just can't move as fast.
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After The War posted:The fact that they had been completely isolationist for decades before TNG Season 1 is one thing they (mostly) stuck with, it helped to keep some air of mystery about them. It's a very Federation thing to do to honor a non-proliferation treaty made with a state you haven't had diplomatic relations with for a generation, during which time you fight at least two wars and meet the borg e: and then continue honoring it through the entire dominion war too
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I hate that that was literally the first shot of the completed Enterprise, with the film frame cutting off the front and back ends of the ship. It's a horribly ugly shot to present your new creation.
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skooma512 posted:Although it's kind of grown on me actually. I like Voyager because the torpedo launchers and deflector give it a happy face. 
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