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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Don't Lol me posted:I'd say 1-2 hours for big issues with some kind of team to call around the party to confirm and corral a consistent stance to take so the media doesn't try to make the story about how some people have differing opinions. The idea of a press team is you don't have to collate anything, it just needs sign off from someone high up in comms with a bit of strategic nous. Unfortunately seumas milne doesn't seem to be very well suited for the job.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:05
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Don't Lol me posted:As for you flaps, jfc yourself. You really think there is no size factor in play there? When you've a media team and MPs just breaking double figures, it's not going to be hard to collate a response. Of course it's not in play. There's supposed to be a media team anticipating and responding to these queries, labour don't ring around all the MPs and ask what they think when a question drops in the inbox. You have got to be taking the piss.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:06
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quote:The EU has outlined its strategy for Brexit negotiations, suggesting talks on a trade deal could begin once "sufficient progress" is made on a separation settlement with the UK. Interesting deviation from Merkel's line earlier this week.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:11
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Breath Ray posted:The idea of a press team is you don't have to collate anything, it just needs sign off from someone high up in comms with a bit of strategic nous. Unfortunately seumas milne doesn't seem to be very well suited for the job. Well I won't disagree with you there. "Pissflaps" posted:Of course it's not in play. There's supposed to be a media team anticipating and responding to these queries, labour don't ring around all the MPs and ask what they think when a question drops in the inbox. No, seriously, I'd imagine the Labour media has to go through extra steps to ensure that the official stance is consistent and disseminate to a chunk of key people as there are well known elements in the party not exactly helping things. I agree that their media response is poo poo, and probably contributes to the whole coverage angle.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:14
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Pissflaps posted:Interesting deviation from Merkel's line earlier this week. I guess some good news at least. Tory scum will still gently caress it up.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:14
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Don't Lol me posted:No, seriously, I'd imagine the Labour media has to go through extra steps to ensure that the official stance is consistent and disseminate to a chunk of key people as there are well known elements in the party not exactly helping things. I agree that their media response is poo poo, and probably contributes to the whole coverage angle. You'd imagine that would you.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:17
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Pissflaps posted:Interesting deviation from Merkel's line earlier this week. Quoting ahead of my dnd april thread to be posted at midnight tonight which will heavily emphasise good news and positivity and optimism
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Mar 31, 2017 09:23
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quote:No, seriously, I'd imagine the Labour media has to go through extra steps to ensure that the official stance is consistent and disseminate to a chunk of key people as there are well known elements in the party not exactly helping things. I agree that their media response is poo poo, and probably contributes to the whole coverage angle. A thoroughly organised cabinet and one that has a consistent party line or even just a political philosophy that is aligned, will not only be able to respond to a press question within a 30 minute time frame, but will have already thought up possible answers to press questions well before they're asked. That Labour are taking so long to reply to press questions isn't because they're thinking really hard about their response; it's because they're so poorly organised and fractured into factions that they can't muster the ability to react quickly and don't have the key advisers ready to deal with these questions.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:23
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We're in the age of social media; a swift and clear response is expected of every organisation and people are literally employed for this sole purpose. Upwards of six hours isn't excusable in TYOOL 2017. I don't know if this has always been the turnaround time for Labour or if it's standard for any large political party, but we're beyond a time when it can take more than, like, an hour or two tops. Less, even.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:28
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Oddly enough, when Corbyn was running his leadership election the second time, with a team of on-board momentum organisers, the press response was snappy and complimented on by the press at the time. It's almost like the ideological splits that permeate the party are a detriment to messaging. Guess we really need to eject some of the previous guard's members.
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Mar 31, 2017 09:38
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Mar 31, 2017 09:59
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Kokoro Wish posted:Oddly enough, when Corbyn was running his leadership election the second time, with a team of on-board momentum organisers, the press response was snappy and complimented on by the press at the time. It's almost like the ideological splits that permeate the party are a detriment to messaging. Guess we really need to eject some of the previous guard's members. its almost like Jeremy and friends put the effort in when their necks are on the line but otherwise dont really care
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Mar 31, 2017 10:00
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Kokoro Wish posted:Oddly enough, when Corbyn was running his leadership election the second time, with a team of on-board momentum organisers, the press response was snappy and complimented on by the press at the time. It's almost like the ideological splits that permeate the party are a detriment to messaging. Guess we really need to eject some of the previous guard's members. I think you're making this up.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:01
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Somebody's worried they're going to get cut off. She's not the only person to observe how slow Labour are to respond to events.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:02
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She just said they're good Flaps.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:04
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Gonzo McFee posted:She just said they're good Flaps. After her more detailed comments explaining why they're bad blew up on twitter.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:07
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Donald Tusk looks like a mix between Frasier and Niles Crane.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:10
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Pissflaps posted:After her more detailed comments explaining why they're bad blew up on twitter. Maybe people don't get back to her because she's a buzz feed hack.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:11
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Gonzo McFee posted:Maybe people don't get back to her because she's a buzz feed hack. Even more surprising. I thought social media was how Corbyn was going to get non voters to vote labour?
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Mar 31, 2017 10:12
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mehall posted:Donald Tusk looks like a mix between Frasier and Niles Crane. We are missing Donald Legg and Donald Arse.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:14
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Pissflaps posted:Even more surprising. I thought social media was how Corbyn was going to get non voters to vote labour? Are we calling a website social media now?
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Mar 31, 2017 10:25
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forkboy84 posted:Are we calling a website social media now? Some of them quote:BuzzFeed is an American internet media company based in New York City. The firm describes itself as a "social news and entertainment company" with a focus on digital media and digital technology in order to provide "the most shareable breaking news, original reporting, entertainment, and video." Sure.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:28
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Buzz feed is so much more than a website.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:29
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I think we all agree that labours current comms strategy and personnel are not fit for purpose. But tbf Remain had the same issue. The fascinating question is if comms were better, would a lefty labour be politically viable?
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Mar 31, 2017 10:33
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Pissflaps posted:I think you're making this up. Well, since you're down with BuzzFeed now it seems, here: quote:“Since the campaign started, there has been a step up in the professionalism of the comms side of things compared to the day-to-day running [of the] leader’s office,” said one online political reporter who deals regularly with the team. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 10:38
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Kokoro Wish posted:Well, since you're down with Buzzfeed now it seems, here: Strong messages here from some curiously anonymous journalists.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:42
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Breath Ray posted:I think we all agree that labours current comms strategy and personnel are not fit for purpose. But tbf Remain had the same issue. The fascinating question is if comms were better, would a lefty labour be politically viable? Almost certainly. Most surveys show a majority of people are absolutely fine with things like nationalised utiilties, a generous social safety net, and a more redistributive tax system - as long as they're not described in those terms, because the Tories have done such a good job of poisoning that well.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:57
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So, is pissflaps some kind of Tony Blair superfan?
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Mar 31, 2017 10:58
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He's the next leader of the Labour Party. The people have spoken.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:02
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Panzeh posted:So, is pissflaps some kind of Tony Blair superfan? I haven't posted about Tony Blair for weeks and I only do so infrequently. I'm far more interested in current political events than the past. I strongly suspect this post is the prelude to some lazy personal attack rather than a genuine desire for information.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:03
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 At 6/1 Big Keir Starmer has replaced Clive the loony lewis as the bookies' favourite to succeed, if that is the right word, jeremy corbyn as labour leader. Diane Abbott is some way off at 80/1.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:16
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Get 20 on Abbott.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:17
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It's almost as if Corbyn has had bad experiences of people within the Shadow Cabinet leaking poo poo to the press or directly contradicting his press releases or something nah that can't be it
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Mar 31, 2017 11:21
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Panzeh posted:So, is pissflaps some kind of Tony Blair superfan? He's a third way, triangulating centrist superfan. Somehow despite having witnessed its failure globally for some 15 years now terminating spectacularly in the Democratic failure in the US, New Labour's failure in the 2015 election and the precipitous decline in support for it in the EU, causing the rise of left and right wing parties and declining from its one-time high point that just so happened to be the only point in time such an ideology could have flourished. vv: Dude, they're "Blue Labour" now. Keep up. 
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Mar 31, 2017 11:23
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At this point it would just be healthier to remove all those red tories from Labour. They're not making the party more electable, they're actively detrimental, and their policies suck.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:25
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Ah the CDF in full flow cheering along Labour into the gutter.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:28
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Nah, I'd support anyone that sincerely held Corbyn-like beliefs and platform. I'm more of Socialist Defence Forcer.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:31
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Pissflaps posted:Get 20 on Abbott. What was it about her tweet that made you think she'll be leader?
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Mar 31, 2017 11:31
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/homeless-charity-workhouse-workers-rights-exploitationI was vulnerable and wanted a home. What I got was a workhouse posted:And then I befriended a resident of a residential charity for the homeless. He was far more helpful than the housing advisers, and managed to organise a place for me at the charity. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Breath Ray posted:What was it about her tweet that made you think she'll be leader? Not that tweet, the article earlier. She's got a secret plan for doing 'something' in six months time. The idiots that support Corbyn will get behind her: Kokoro Wish posted:Nah, I'd support anyone that sincerely held Corbyn-like beliefs and platform. I'm more of Socialist Defence Forcer.
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