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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
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| Paul Ukips |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Party Boat posted:Isn't this relatively easy to resolve by upping wages to min wage and also offering workers food / clothing / accommodation at below market rates instead of providing them "free"? Sorry dude, that was directed at Breath Ray, not you 
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forkboy84 posted:Theresa May's reign has been gently caress up after gently caress up, unpopular policy after unpopular policy. The only thing she's doing that people like is Hard Brexit. From Grammar Schools to the NI raise for the self-employed, toadying up to Donald Trump, the relatively common U-turns after less than a year in office. With a better opposition that wasn't more interested in its own in-fighting, she's right there for the taking. That's wishful thinking. Thatcher's government also enacted unpopular policy after unpopular policy, with plenty of U-turns despite the rhetoric, and they were there for 18 years. They eventually fell only because sleaze scandals - not policies - undermined them, the press abandoned them, and the LibDems were popular. At some point people have to face the fact that we have FPTP and Labour cannot win seats in large areas of the country. Couldn't under Blair, couldn't under Jesus.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:05
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Tigey posted:Yeah - I am getting the distinct feeling that May's honeymoon from the right wing/centrist media is now officially over now that Article 50's been triggered and its happening (rather than it being something everyone could project their own wishes/fantasies onto). Cold hard reality is beginning to set in and the number of negative articles are increasing. Well it's definitely gonna be a while before things really bite, even the first major disagreement will probably be painted as something that will be resolved by negotiating acceptable terms in other areas. David Davis will do his job of looking casual and cuddly and saying "everything will be fiiiiiine" and the right-wing press will push some DESPERATE EU TRIES TO BULLY BRITAIN angle But at some point the broader deal will start to take shape, there'll be too many deflected questions and some of the bigger promises will look like they've been cut loose. A lot of people are going to be unhappy, and it'll be interesting to see how far the press takes things - I'm sure the Express would see the UK sinking beneath the waves in flames so long as the last person dies holding the immigrant door closed, but yeah it feels like some of the others would be really unhappy with some of the compromises that'll be made It's gonna be a real shitshow though - get ready for a lot of chest-beating and Churchill analogies Tesseraction posted:Now that article 50 is triggered it's a case of which party is pushing for the better policies in the deal. Now, having watched that May interview on Wednesday be a total car crash I was hoping that Corbyn would stomp her in the rebuttal interview... but despite some strong moments he mostly just puttered on what should've been a slam dunk, especially given Brillo's obvious contempt for May. I think he (and Labour in general) are trying to stay on message - not down on Brexit happening, wanting it to work out, but promising to hold the government to account over the specifics of the deal. At this stage it's probably counterproductive to suddenly move straight to 'this will be bad and the Tories are gonna gently caress it up'. Which is true, but they're trying to look objective and criticise the deal itself. They've sounded pretty aggressive on, like, the repeal bill
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Mar 31, 2017 14:08
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Guavanaut posted:It's also worth drawing a distinction between people who are homeless because of mental health problems and people who have mental health problems because they are homeless. The charity provides this according to the article.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:12
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jBrereton posted:What do you as a brexiteer want out of this process? Ideally: for us to leave the EU but remain in the single market and spur an internal realisation of need for proper beneficial reform within the EU. More realistically: for us to have a less-optimal-but-still-bearable trade deal and some pragmatic reorganisation of the EU towards solving its fundamental identity crisis. Most likely still deckchairs on a titanic as long as the Eurozone continues apace. What I'm not looking forward to: May being such a colossal dumbshit that we end up on WTO rules and the EU giving us a punishing retaliation on top of it.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:15
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Oh dear me posted:What mess? We're still the only party to have more seats now than after the 2015 election. 
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Mar 31, 2017 14:15
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baka kaba posted:I think he (and Labour in general) are trying to stay on message - not down on Brexit happening, wanting it to work out, but promising to hold the government to account over the specifics of the deal. At this stage it's probably counterproductive to suddenly move straight to 'this will be bad and the Tories are gonna gently caress it up'. Which is true, but they're trying to look objective and criticise the deal itself. They've sounded pretty aggressive on, like, the repeal bill Oh I agree, but when asked simple questions like "so you don't differ from the Tories on this policy?" he'd warble instead of talk about how Labour is more interested in maintaining trade relations even outside of an optimal deal whereas May was just saying "FOUR FREEDOMS: BURN THE IMMYGRUNTS"
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Mar 31, 2017 14:16
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TinTower posted:We're still the only party to have more seats now than after the 2015 election. What percentage of the seats prior to that election is your current tally?
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Mar 31, 2017 14:17
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Party Boat posted:Isn't this relatively easy to resolve by upping wages to min wage and also offering workers food / clothing / accommodation at below market rates instead of providing them "free"? I expect the charity to have considered your suggestion so perhaps their business case found this way worked better. As mentioned I'd be more comfortable if people were paid but there are few Easy answers in homelessness. The new bill and the bob blackman thing are encouraging though.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:20
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TinTower posted:We're still the only party to have more seats now than after the 2015 election. Gotta be honest, that would be some pretty impressive spin if everybody suddenly forgot 2010-2015.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:33
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Would someone please post people's ratings for this thread? While it has some flaws that I will address when I take over tonight I was surprised that currently it is only rated a 2. I'd give it 4 I think.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:34
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forkboy84 posted:Theresa May's reign has been gently caress up after gently caress up, unpopular policy after unpopular policy. The only thing she's doing that people like is Hard Brexit. From Grammar Schools to the NI raise for the self-employed, toadying up to Donald Trump, the relatively common U-turns after less than a year in office. With a better opposition that wasn't more interested in its own in-fighting, she's right there for the taking. No one will want leadership until Brexit is signed and over and done with. She was the sacrificial lamb, whether she knew it or not, when she stepped up to take over. No one else wanted it that badly apart the extreme nutters like loving Gove and loving Boris. She was the least worst of the group who wanted it, same as Trump. Her legacy was written from the beginning, she is the PM who signed Brexit, and no other Tory has the balls to take that over.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:42
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I think you are being too pessimistic about Brexit and its consequences for the PM personally
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Mar 31, 2017 14:55
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Tesseraction posted:More realistically: for us to have a less-optimal-but-still-bearable trade deal It's probably going to be just this. Hopefully.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:55
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Oh dear me posted:That's wishful thinking. Thatcher's government also enacted unpopular policy after unpopular policy, with plenty of U-turns despite the rhetoric, and they were there for 18 years. They eventually fell only because sleaze scandals - not policies - undermined them, the press abandoned them, and the LibDems were popular. At some point people have to face the fact that we have FPTP and Labour cannot win seats in large areas of the country. Couldn't under Blair, couldn't under Jesus. Nah, this is some heavy defeatist bollocks. Theresa May is not Margaret Thatcher. She is no undefeatable behemoth. Especially now the honeymoon is over and Article 50 has been triggered. Of course, some seats aren't winnable for Labour. Some aren't winnable for the Tories either. So? Hardly seems like a good excuse for just giving up. Better to fight for 280-300 winnable seats than just giving in & giving the Tories some massive loving majority to really gently caress the poor over. FYI, if not for some unpopular dickheads in Argentina deciding on an invasion of the Falklands & South Georgia combined by the idiot Labour right splitting off to perform electoral suicide as the Lib-SDP alliance, Thatcher's government was there for the taking in '83.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:58
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Thatchers govt didn't last 18 years!
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Mar 31, 2017 15:06
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/847780132156829701 This is especially brutal polling when you consider the top labour team are all based in London. Also: https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/847804884279853058
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Mar 31, 2017 15:07
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Mar 31, 2017 15:09
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FAO especially jabby, Prince John: further to the Alexander Blackman discussion the other day, someone pointed this out from the first appeal judgment:quote:This was, in our view, a very unfortunate circumstance. It was not possible two years after the killing of the insurgent to diagnose whether the appellant was in fact suffering from combat stress disorder, but the circumstances to which we have referred may have meant that any combat stress disorder was undetected. So over three years the CMAC have flipped on a dime over whether Blackman could have been diagnosed with adjustment/combat stress disorder after the fact.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:11
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baka kaba posted:Savage Are some of us still at the 'the polls are wrong' stage or is it that it doesn't matter because 'it's four years until an election'?
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Mar 31, 2017 15:14
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Pissflaps posted:Are some of us still at the 'the polls are wrong' stage or is it that it doesn't matter because 'it's four years until an election'? Have some of us decided who we'd rather see as Labour leader yet?
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Mar 31, 2017 15:16
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Have some of us decided who we'd rather see as Labour leader yet? I'm not sure about anyone else but if you're asking me then it's simple: I want Corbyn to remain leader until the general election.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:19
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Yorkshire Evening Post posted:'Biggest protest in Leeds for 17 years' this weekend I'll be there, come if you have time/are in the area. Should be a blast.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:20
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Have some of us decided who we'd rather see as Labour leader yet? Some of us have decided that Keir Starmer, Lisa Nandy or Clive Lewis would be better leaders. Can't speak for Flaps though. Bench isn't deep and that remains a problem, and yet we can still have a slightly left leaning Labour leader who can't do any worse than Corbyn. Hell, I'd welcome Ed Miliband back with open arms at this point. Pissflaps posted:I'm not sure about anyone else but if you're asking me then it's simple: I want Corbyn to remain leader until the general election. Why? If the answer is anything other than "so I can say I told you so" I'd really like to understand the logic
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Mar 31, 2017 15:27
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forkboy84 posted:Some of us have decided that Keir Starmer, Lisa Nandy or Clive Lewis would be better leaders. Can't speak for Flaps though. Bench isn't deep and that remains a problem, and yet we can still have a slightly left leaning Labour leader who can't do any worse than Corbyn. Hell, I'd welcome Ed Miliband back with open arms at this point. Whats the point in a "slightly left leaning" Labour leader on a political spectrum where neoliberlism dominates the centre? Theres not really much opposition in advocating policies that essentially entrench the status quo.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:32
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forkboy84 posted:Why? If the answer is anything other than "so I can say I told you so" I'd really like to understand the logic Because if he leaves before the next election labour will be haunted by 'Jezza would have won'. He's shat the bed. He must lie in it.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:43
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forkboy84 posted:Hell, I'd welcome Ed Miliband back with open arms at this point. so would pissflaps and Miliband got us a tory majority
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Mar 31, 2017 15:43
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Cue in Gibraltar's citizens used as negotiating chips.quote:After lobbying from Spanish diplomats, a clause has been inserted in the EU’s draft Brexit negotiating guidelines that appears to allow Spain to exclude Gibraltar from any transitional single market access arrangement or future trade deal with the UK if it is not satisfied with the status of the territory. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/31/future-of-gibraltar-at-stake-in-brexit-negotiations
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Mar 31, 2017 15:49
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Pissflaps posted:This is especially brutal polling when you consider the top labour team are all based in London. london is full of cunts
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Mar 31, 2017 15:51
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JFairfax posted:london is full of cunts Cunts who voted labour until recently.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:51
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TinTower posted:FAO especially jabby, Prince John: further to the Alexander Blackman discussion the other day, someone pointed this out from the first appeal judgment: The conclusion of the appeal judgement pretty decisively states the court agreed Blackman was suffering from combat stress disorder though, and the prosecution subsequently did not contest that issue after the appeal
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Mar 31, 2017 15:54
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Pissflaps posted:Cunts who voted labour until recently. And we voted against brexit If we're going to tar huge swathes of the population with the count brush, there are probably better targets. But we'd be better off not doing that
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Mar 31, 2017 15:57
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Pochoclo posted:Cue in Gibraltar's citizens used as negotiating chips. That way everyone comes out with about as much as they had before and we can write off the whole mess.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:58
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Pissflaps posted:Because if he leaves before the next election labour will be haunted by 'Jezza would have won'. Surely one could simply point to his current polling to dispel the haunting, unless his successor somehow manages to be worse.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:00
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forkboy84 posted:Nah, this is some heavy defeatist bollocks. Theresa May is not Margaret Thatcher. She is no undefeatable behemoth. Especially now the honeymoon is over and Article 50 has been triggered. Of course, some seats aren't winnable for Labour. Some aren't winnable for the Tories either. So? Hardly seems like a good excuse for just giving up. Better to fight for 280-300 winnable seats than just giving in & giving the Tories some massive loving majority to really gently caress the poor over. When did I suggest giving up? You're the one who's apparently willing to accept Keir loving Starmer as Labour leader. Your FYI is basically my argument, but offered as though it disagreed with me. Thatcher could have lost if she did not have the support that comes from a popular issue dominating the news and if she wasn't helped by the current configuration of minor parties weakening the opposition more than the Tories. I'd add media support as another important factor but otherwise that's pretty much what I said. Those things are favourable for the Conservatives at the moment and likely to remain that way until after 2020.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:04
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Dyslexia is genetic in case anyone was wondering, so yes this is an extremely weird case of eugenics.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:04
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This is an April Fools joke someone messed up the Twitter scheduling on, right? ...Right?
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Mar 31, 2017 16:05
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happyhippy posted:She was the least worst of the group who wanted it It's depressing how true this is. Can you imagine this poo poo under Gove. May's deluded enough promising the loving moon, Gove would be even more of a complete loving trainwreck - if that were possible. Fox was too toxic, even by Tory standards, Javid and Crabb too ineffectual, and Leadsome was basically May if May had no vocal filter.
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Breath Ray posted:Surely one could simply point to his current polling to dispel the haunting, unless his successor somehow manages to be worse. Also it's irrelevant to how a new leader does, who would be better off having more time to put their stamp on the party. So basically Pissflaps is a red Tory who wants to ensure the left dies on the altar of centre-right politics, which I'm sure is news to everyone in this thread.
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