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LordAbaddon posted:I'm not super familiar with the game but there are 300 point starter boxes for Infinity that are supposedly a complete standard sized army right out of the box. You can get them for about $75-$100 dollars at various webstores online. Why don't you play infinity?
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Why don't you play infinity? I spent all my poor person bux on food and malifaux. E: Also my local store plays on a day that I'm working.
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Apr 1, 2017 04:01
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Dark Age is roughly $90 for a full tournament list at 750 points, excluding any sideboard you bring. (Or $60 for a 500 point list, which is a pretty common size for friendly games.) It's also got a similar aesthetic to Necromunda but some of the older sculpts are pretty bad (mostly Brood and Skarrd). Also if you win their tournament they make a model commemorating your win (it's tournament-legal and available to everyone). This is the 2015 winner: 
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Apr 1, 2017 04:05
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Real talk, heroic scale mini games actually all cost about the same. Calth/Prospero runs ~125ish and can reasonably be about 1000 points of GW mans, the warmahordes intro boxes are $40 for a 0 point battlegroup but the non boardgame plastic models are actually a little more expensive than GW, so getting up to a 75 point tournament list is probably $150 if you go for cheap and not optimal (and you need 2 lists for a tournament), and infinity and malifaux are pretty similar. GW has the advantage of lots of old armies on eBay though.
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Oh, also Dark Age has a new two-player starter set that has 450 points on each side for $70. As far as gaming figures so, GW isn't that much worse per-model (and in some cases is even cheaper than skirmish games), but the army size of GW games is typically a lot bigger. That's one of the biggest issues, since not only does it raise the startup cost, it also slows the game down due to models being individually based. For sure, it's a matter of preference, but I don't have any interest in painting 50+ guys for a single army ever again.
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I think Deadzone ends up being legit cheap if you strictly buy a faction. You really don't need many figures to play and the starter boxes come with a large enough variety that you don't need to go out and buy anything else to be fairly competitive. Looking at some of the Adepticon lists, there wasn't really anything special about what the players were bringing to the competition. That said, someone has to eat the cost of the book and terrain. You can get away with using coins and tokens instead of the official counters or slips of paper for the items (the free FAQ says the item count) and there's a chart for converting a D6 roll into a command roll. The only other thing you really have to buy are a handful of D8s but if you wanted to keep it as cheap as possible you can just double roll every D6 to get a D8 result. I'm not saying that's a practical way to play, just that it's one more way to shave off costs. So yeah, $40 and you're good to go.
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If you guys really believed in playing good games with cheap minis and weren't just reflexively hating on GW while not acknowledging all nerd companies are run by idiots you'd be advocating for gods own format, 6mm historicals      
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If you spent any time in the Mantic thread you'd know we are fully aware that the company is run by idiots.
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I'd be more interested in playing historicals if I didn't have to worry about some asswipe walking up to me and getting really bent out of shape that I had the wrong stripes painted on my army men or that I used the wrong shade of camo-green for my soviet tanks.
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Apr 1, 2017 04:22
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This thread goes a step farther and advocates for hex-and-chit games.
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Atlas Hugged posted:If you spent any time in the Mantic thread you'd know we are fully aware that the company is run by idiots. I have an unopened warpath starter box in my basement  Why did I think that was gonna be cool.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:The infinity starters are 90 euros right now, and my understanding is that those give you about 1/3 of a tournament army list. The bigger more expensive boxes are a full army list (decent ones iirc) and the smaller starters that are 6 models are 1/3-1/2 size of a regular army list.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:I have an unopened warpath starter box in my basement Having read the Firefight rules, I actually think it is pretty cool. Some of the models are garbage and some of them are really good. Warpath itself doesn't even have bad rules, it's just at the wrong scale. It really should be a 6-15mm game. But I'm grabbing Scrappers at the end of the month and my Warpath models will definitely see some use there.
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Flipswitch posted:The bigger more expensive boxes are a full army list (decent ones iirc) and the smaller starters that are 6 models are 1/3-1/2 size of a regular army list. What does it feel like to jack off to anime figurines.
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LordAbaddon posted:malifaux. how does this even happen?
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tallkidwithglasses posted:What does it feel like to jack off to anime figurines. Intense
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panascope posted:how does this even happen? It's called having taste 
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i think youll find that the actual true best skirmish game is saga
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:i think youll find that the actual true best skirmish game is saga I really wanted to like Saga. I really did. The core mechanics are fine. Their approach to balance is straightforward (a warrior is a warrior is a warrior). I just hated the random factor on the battleboards. If you roll poorly, you basically play a worse version of your list and it's super frustrating.
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Though if Gripping Beast did a Three Kingdoms version of Saga all would be forgiven.
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Hey guys I heard this thread was easy to troll?
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false, you have entered a top secret elite posting zone and navy seals are currently en route to destroy your computer
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BULBASAUR posted:I'm lovely A state we all should aspire to. Some more than others.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Real talk, heroic scale mini games actually all cost about the same. Calth/Prospero runs ~125ish and can reasonably be about 1000 points of GW mans, the warmahordes intro boxes are $40 for a 0 point battlegroup but the non boardgame plastic models are actually a little more expensive than GW, so getting up to a 75 point tournament list is probably $150 if you go for cheap and not optimal (and you need 2 lists for a tournament), and infinity and malifaux are pretty similar. The real price conscious Good Boy plays Frostgrave, I think the plastic boxes are 20 quid for 20 minis and you can easily make a warband plus extras through like 10 games of campaign with just that. But yeah Malifaux and Infinity are just as pricey as GW, though without the ridiculous GW outliers, they just have the advantage of being attached to good games. And it's nice that they stick pretty well to their aesthetics across the whole range.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Real talk, heroic scale mini games actually all cost about the same. Calth/Prospero runs ~125ish and can reasonably be about 1000 points of GW mans, the warmahordes intro boxes are $40 for a 0 point battlegroup but the non boardgame plastic models are actually a little more expensive than GW, so getting up to a 75 point tournament list is probably $150 if you go for cheap and not optimal (and you need 2 lists for a tournament), and infinity and malifaux are pretty similar. Real talk, 40k tournament size is 1850 at the lowest usually, and the equivalent 300pts of Infinity tends to be either 10 man or a little bit over. I can buy a 300 point tournament-legal army - where 300 points are the mainstay and not some "well, you can play 150 or 200 to get a feel for the game" style thing - for £72. Good luck buying your 40k army for £72. Secondly, it's very rare that 2 lists for a tournament in WMH don't share models.
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GW's prices don't actually seem that bad if you're going bang-for-buck on certain well-supported units, it's the really juicy stuff that gets the gougey premium price hike. That and most of the competition in its price range are skirmish games while 40K is company-sized or greater, meaning you actually need a lot more of those models to play at a scale people generally expect to. Which I figure is the main reason why people are interested in Shadow War as the Necromunda soft reboot.
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Xarbala posted:GW's prices don't actually seem that bad if you're going bang-for-buck on certain well-supported units, it's the really juicy stuff that gets the gougey premium price hike. That and most of the competition in its price range are skirmish games while 40K is company-sized or greater, meaning you actually need a lot more of those models to play at a scale people generally expect to. It's what I expected from Age of Sigmar, a mordheim reboot in the wastes of the old world, but no spaceballs instead. Hinterlands looks quite good though.
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On one hand this was quite the spectacle, on the other it lowered my opinion of some people i thought were cool which is somewhat of a downer.
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Like, I haven't played 40k in a long time, but even I'm aware that <£100 doesn't buy you much of an army. For a fun experiment I thought I'd put together an army that would've been lots of points way back in the day and tot it up using an online army builder (Epic Roster) So, from the site (sorry GW, I'm not in Ireland) Captain £18 10-man Tac Squad £25 (used as 2 squads ingame) 5-man Terminator Squad £28 (this is a good price IMO) 5-man Devastator Squad £28 Dreadnought £28 5-man Assault Squad £25 Before specialist wargear but adding in available weapons, that's under 1000pts. For 27 models of one of the more points-expensive armies in the game. Coming out at ~£150. You're still looking at another 900pts or so from somewhere to match. The price comparison does not work in GW's favour, even when you can point at individual models or squads and compare them favourably with the competition, price-wise. Look at Infinity's Yu Jing Starter Pack. It's €40 from CB themselves. It's just 6 models. That's expensive compared to GW - though I much prefer the models - but they're a significant chunk of an army list: 3x ZHANSHI (Combi Rifle) (33pts in total) 1x TIGER SOLDIER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) (Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower) (33pts) 1x HSIEN (HMG) (61 points) 1x ZÚYǑNG (MULTI Rifle) (28 points) That's 155 points, over halfway to a full sized force.
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today I went to the reopening of a GW store in the rainy, earthquake prone antipodes. "Maybe I'll pick up a Mechanicum character to paint" I thought. Then I realised the cheapest one was 60 NZ funbux. For a single sprue plastic miniature.
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If you bought the Start Collecting! Space Marines or Betrayal at Calth you could get a pretty decent Space Marines army for a lower price. These would be perfectly viable options for games of Kill Team and Combat Patrol, which is were the game is best for new players anyway.
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Bad Decision Dino posted:If you bought the Start Collecting! Space Marines or Betrayal at Calth you could get a pretty decent Space Marines army for a lower price. These would be perfectly viable options for games of Kill Team and Combat Patrol, which is were the game is best for new players anyway. Betrayal at Calth is £95 for - A Captain in Terminator Armour and a Dark Apostle; - A Contemptor Dreadnought, armed with a choice of multi-melta or assault cannon; - Five Cataphractii Terminators, with weapon options including combi bolters, power fists, lightning claws, chain fists, power swords, heavy flamers and grenade harnesses; - Thirty Legion Tactical Space Marines in MK4 armour, with a huge selection of weapons and custom features, including bolters, missile launchers, heavy bolters, chainswords, power swords, power fists, plasma pistols, lightning claw blades, combi flamer, melta and plasma guns, a melta bomb and a set of combat blades! These miniatures also include ammo packs, holstered bolt pistols and a selection of frag and krak grenades. someone else can price that up points-wise as I need to head out, but those goalposts seem to be shifting from "playing a game of 40k" to "playing a game of 40k that isn't 40k but is designed for low model counts / intros to the rules". Which is fine as I think Kill Team is a legit good idea even if the ruleset doesn't really work at that level, but let's compare apples to apples here. Otherwise that €40 Yu Jing set is all you need for Infinity's version of the starter game. Or Operation: Icestorm at £65, which has two armies, a game mat, scenery, and a bunch of other stuff.
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Avenging Dentist posted:This thread goes a step farther and advocates for hex-and-chit games.
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I will agree that if you want to play 40k tournaments you will probably have to spend a lot of money. That said, there are several ways to play and enjoy the game with 100 bucks to spend. Claiming that anything less than tournament level play isn't real 40k seems like a weird argument, equivalent to saying that I cannot play Magic without spending a couple hundred bucks.
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Bad Decision Dino posted:I will agree that if you want to play 40k tournaments you will probably have to spend a lot of money. That said, there are several ways to play and enjoy the game with 100 bucks to spend. Claiming that anything less than tournament level play isn't real 40k seems like a weird argument, equivalent to saying that I cannot play Magic without spending a couple hundred bucks. Argue with the guy who choose to use "you need two lists for tournaments" as an argument against WMH, then. 40k isn't kill team and kill team is some barely supported mod for 40k.
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Thirsty Dog posted:Argue with the guy who choose to use "you need two lists for tournaments" as an argument against WMH, then. I don't want to argue with that guy, he sounds like a tool. You could also just play 500 points of regular 40k or whatever? The assertion that 40k can only be played and or enjoyed at 1800 or above is simply untrue.
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I was interested in Shadow war, it's sold out. I guess they'll bring out a rule book or something soon but I'll hopefully be able to go to my local infinity group by then and stop caring about shadow war. Oh well.
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ijyt posted:It's what I expected from Age of Sigmar, a mordheim reboot in the wastes of the old world, but no spaceballs instead. It's pretty ambitious, and coming from a pnp rpg background I'm always curious about fanmade attempts to homebrew the game they really want from a product that already exists. It helps that the mod maker puts an emphasis on the not!Empire folks in a somewhat more comprehensible setting with the sigmarines as a rare, well, space marine equivalent.
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Bad Decision Dino posted:I don't want to argue with that guy, he sounds like a tool. What scale is the game designed (heh) around though? Like, most games will have a point scale and will also say "but bigger or smaller games are possible!", when in actuality a smaller game doesn't give you enough points for essential elements, and bigger becomes a massive grinding slog. There was a 1000 point game of FoW at the club the other day while we were inducting a newbie, and it was notable just how badly the variance holds up at that level; there were lists with two tank platoons because EW german armour just can't make a list at that points level. There's absolutely a lot of wiggle in a point's scale, but I'd be really surprised if 500 points is legitimately the same game as 1800 or 2500 or whatever's the suggested point scale these days.
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