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I don't know how you think bad Dems will somehow be converted into good Dems with real convictions by promising Medicare for all that they don't intend to pass. It's the primary or nothing.
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JeffersonClay posted:As Bernie demonstrated last year, writing a proper single-payer bill that doesn't require raising taxes massively isn't a simple task. 1. Unfurl the dole 2. White out "Lockheed Martin" 3. Write in "Private Citizens"
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JeffersonClay posted:As Bernie demonstrated last year, writing a proper single-payer bill that doesn't require raising taxes massively isn't a simple task. Tax the rich you loving idiot
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the trump tutelage posted:It's actually really simple. now do it without getting murdered
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Oh no, not taxes Imagine spending tax money on the collective good, instead of wars and invasions Pretty loving messed up!!!
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Mar 28, 2017 00:21
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You mean I'm gonna be paying more taxes for this free health care? I can't afford to pay that on top of $4k per year in insurance premiums!!#
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/dick-cheney-russia-2016-election-act-of-war-236556 tfw someone you hate gets in the elevator with you
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he make a fart too, not nice
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This was the CIA's plan all along.
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Crowdstrike, the private firm hired by the DNC to investigate their servers, apparently revised their report cited as evidence of Russian origin of the malware purportedly used in the DNC hack.
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that's the guys who took less than 24 hours to draw their conclusion, right?
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Crowdstrike, the private firm hired by the DNC to investigate their servers, apparently revised their report cited as evidence of Russian origin of the malware purportedly used in the DNC hack. no they didn't cloudstrikes claim that russia hacked ukrainian artillery is what people have disagreed with
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Gringostar posted:no they didn't I thought that was traced back to an app a lot of ukranian artillery-men used. The russians were able to intercept that app, and of course figure out the precise geographic locations of the users of the app, which, Surprise! was exactly where the artillery was located.
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blamegame posted:
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https://twitter.com/TAPSTRIMEDIA/status/847480700747915265 Senate committee testimony, Russian interference worked this time because Trump and friends were actively engaged in spreading it.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-congress-idUSKBN17126Tquote:In Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin again denied that Russia tried to influence the election, but in doing so he made reference to the wrong U.S. president in answering a question at an Arctic forum. This is good trolling, I can feel the flecks of piss from here, warmer than the sun at noon.
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https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/...genumber%3D3447Brother Friendship posted:*dies under mysterious circumstances after outliving my usefulness*
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Kurtofan posted:More and more burtonesque neoliberal looks like vader without the mask on in ROTJ
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JeffersonClay posted:https://twitter.com/TAPSTRIMEDIA/status/847480700747915265 loving soviets are at it again
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It's definitely not Hillary's fault that she couldn't beat the boorish fool spewing conspiratorial propaganda lines being fed to him by the Kremlin.
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JC no amount of Russian collusion will make your rabid defense of Clinton any sadder or less wrong.
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Fiction posted:JC no amount of Russian collusion will make your rabid defense of Clinton any sadder or less wrong. Why haven't the press ran a story about Clinton accepting responsibility for throwing the election?
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Fiction posted:It's definitely not Hillary's fault that she couldn't beat the boorish fool spewing conspiratorial propaganda lines being fed to him by the Kremlin. It would have helped if the left hadn't taken her statements that Trump was spewing conspiratorial propaganda lines being fed to him by the Kremlin as laughable redbaiting that proved she wanted to start world war 3.
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JeffersonClay posted:It would have helped if the left hadn't taken her statements that Trump was spewing conspiratorial propaganda lines being fed to him by the Kremlin as laughable redbaiting that proved she wanted to start world war 3. No, she just definitely wanted to use it as a distraction from how few people really cared about her and her campaign.
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JeffersonClay posted:It would have helped if the left hadn't taken her statements that Trump was spewing conspiratorial propaganda lines being fed to him by the Kremlin as laughable redbaiting that proved she wanted to start world war 3. The left can't help being right and true
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I love to talk about Hillary Clinton it's great
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The most unsettling part about the DNC leaks is how the media didn't seem to care about the content in them in favor of red-baiting. The extent of Hillary's corruption with banks and multinational corporations was enough to make some republicans envious. It's almost like the Democrats nominated the wrong candidate.
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Who's red-baiting?
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people comparing this to mccarthyism are weird because mccarthyism cost good people their livelihoods this is focused on people who are all pieces of poo poo anyway, and also not going to cost them much of anything in the end
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Some people are really convinced Trump and Putin made a blood pact and that the DNC emails increased Trump's turnout. Things get weird when someone tells one of these people, "wait a minute, it doesn't seem like anything but circumstantial evidence has been found at this point. Maybe the media should tone it down a little while the investigation is going on. Besides, I don't need Russia involved to convince me Trump and the Republicans have policy that is bad."
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wizard on a water slide posted:people comparing this to mccarthyism are weird because mccarthyism cost good people their livelihoods Actually, it has major implications. It illustrates how the Intelligence Community simply manipulated the supposed anti-war party—the Democrats—into promoting blatantly interventionist, neocon foreign policy overnight. Most establishment Democrats now sound virtually identical to Lockheed Martin senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain on Syria and foreign policy in general. If that isn't alarming to you, then perhaps you should have your head examined.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Actually, it has major implications. It illustrates how the Intelligence Community simply manipulated the supposed anti-war party—the Democrats—into promoting blatantly interventionist, neocon foreign policy overnight. Most establishment Democrats now sound virtually identical to Lockheed Martin senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain on Syria and foreign policy in general. If that isn't alarming to you, then perhaps you should have your head examined. I guess examine my head, because I don't find anything about that shocking
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The dems were never anti-war, but usually when another country interferes in your electoral politics, people tend to react against that, it's the same reason the US is hated in a lot of other countries around the world, because that's exactly what it's done
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To extend it a bit further, this sort of internal bickering is probably the result Putin expects. Funding & pushing a candidate like Trump helps Putin, because it's essentially exporting the 'confusion' model that characterizes Russian politics, to the US. Observe: Bernie people want to push the message that Clinton lost on policy, because she did, but that gets undermined by having an external actor mess up the situation, so they have to play it down. Problem is, it did actually happen, and it's becoming clearer just how extensive that influence was, and how much the Trump campaign team encouraged and played into that influence. Clinton people don't want to acknowledge the shortcomings of their campaign, their ideology, and also their dumb poo poo candidate and the entire organizational apparatus that thought she was gonna win lol, so Russia is a great little canard for them to ignore all of those issues. Republicans, the people who would be most likely to bang the 'foreign threat!' drum, mysteriously don't want to bring up the influence of one of the US's greatest geopolitical rivals on the election, because said rival helped their candidate win, and there's a real chance he would have lost (by the slimmest of margins) had putin not intervened, so they swallow their pride - and in doing so, show everyone else that they're not the 'patriots' they claim to be. The end result is - everyone loses, no one's sure what's happening anymore, there's no real clear winner. And that's the issue, because democracy's greatest strength, is that it gives a non-violent decisive political victory to one side or another. Without that decisiveness, faith in the system is damaged, and its ability to ameliorate political conflict is reduced. That, more than anything else, more than Donald loving Trump, is probably Putin's end goal here - a destabilization of Russia's greatest geopolitical rival, through the leveraging of internal conflict. rudatron has issued a correction as of 12:51 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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rudatron posted:The end result is - everyone loses, no one's sure what's happening anymore, there's no real clear winner. Trump won by 77 electoral votes. Fairly decisive in that sense. No major stinks about vote count issues, like some previous elections. Corky Romanovsky has issued a correction as of 13:35 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Trump won by 77 electoral votes. Fairly decisive in that sense. No major stinks about vote count issues, like some previous elections. the electoral college plays into that perception of destabilization and american infighting, tho trump's EC win was "fairly decisive", despite the fact that the majority of american voters preferred clinton, leading many of those clinton voters to feel disenfranchised and like the election results are illegitimate (which is part of why the russia narrative caught fire with the public) this isn't unique to dems; republicans would feel the same way if clinton had somehow won the EC and lost the popular vote
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