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Arglebargle III posted:I'd like to remind you that the game opens with your ship running into an obstacle in deep space. Later you'll discover your father died making you the chosen Special One who can do the Special Thing. You will be opposed by a megalomaniacal villain with few lines and little characterization. The writing is terrible. And Mass Effect 2 opens with a character named Shepard being brought back from the dead to assemble a rag-tag group of ruffians, outlaws, and experts to go on a suicide mission where they stop an alien spaceship invasion by shooting a giant robot skeleton in the face with a nuke, all while being personally taunted by an allegedly unknowable villain like he's some 15 year old Call of Duty player with anger management issues. The writing is terrible.
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BrianWilly posted:Man, one GiantBomb review sure brought the slavering horde crawling out of hiding again. Would you say that the game needs a white knight to defend it from the slavering horde?
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Generic American posted:And Mass Effect 2 opens with a character named Shepard being brought back from the dead to assemble a rag-tag group of ruffians, outlaws, and experts to go on a suicide mission where they stop an alien spaceship invasion by shooting a giant robot skeleton in the face with a nuke Are you trying to say this is bad?
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Arglebargle III posted:Would you say that the game needs a white knight to defend it from the slavering horde?
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Arcsquad12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDAxIVQE0To The ending of this is really good.
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BrianWilly posted:It's a cool little detail. I wonder what these summaries would be like for someone who strictly, stubbornly picked one response over the others. I got a similar report to your first profile for my Ryder. She is cool and diplomatic in the field even with 'difficult personalities' but more warm on the Tempest, which is how I've been trying to play her, so that was cool to see. I wondered if it was astrology writing-just vague enough with enough hooks to seems like it 'gets me', so it's neat to hear that you got a different read on a different playthrough. Reading through the companion codex entries is interesting too. In particular, with Drack, it says he "decided" to stay with the team after I saved the Salarian pathfinder over his scouts. Which makes me wonder if there is a series of moves you can make that leads to him quitting the team. The game is so long that it doesn't really lend itself to multiple playthroughs for me, but I'm curious about what you could put together for the worst possible world state at the end.
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fruit on the bottom posted:I think the series has always had that problem though, for instance with the salarians and asari talking about their lifespan and temperament in relation to humanity instead of treating us like we're the weird ones. It's been there since the start. It's not that Krogans love to fight and gently caress all the time, it's that other species are huge weakling pussies that can't even breed right.
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Android Blues posted:The character creator in this is shockingly bad, wow. I'd heard the complaints but it's worse than they conveyed. It's worse than the DA:I character creator, and that one only produced Italians.
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Apr 2, 2017 00:29
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This really is a game of contrasts because while you have some "my face is tired" open world cutscenes the main story cutscenes and the loyalty mission cutscenes actually look really loving good. Makes me wonder how the game might have been received if it was structured with more of a mission focus.
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Maybe Bioware should just go "gently caress it" and release ME2 forever
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Fojar38 posted:Maybe Bioware should just go "gently caress it" and release ME2 forever I did Liam's loyalty mission and had a lot of fun. It felt really reminiscent of ME2. I wish they had just focused their efforts to make a smaller, shorter game that was basically just stuff like that with more polish. In other words, ME2.
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SniperWoreConverse posted:When you do talk to him it's an insanely irritating idiot decision you need to make. loving stupid. Talking to that guy should basically put the hammers on hold and open up a whole new series of major quests. I like how Elaaden and Eos have these morally-taxing water scarcity plot beats when Voldt is a loving ice planet which you have already settled. Also extremely cool to bury the lede when guy mentions a totally separate and sovereign human colony on Eos and Ryder characteristically cannot give two shits about it.
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Beefstew posted:I did Liam's loyalty mission and had a lot of fun. It felt really reminiscent of ME2. I wish they had just focused their efforts to make a smaller, shorter game that was basically just stuff like that with more polish. 
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Chill Nazi Frog posted:I like how Elaaden and Eos have these morally-taxing water scarcity plot beats when Voldt is a loving ice planet which you have already settled. There's a bunch of dialog on Voeld in the colony about how they are mining ice to ship off world. I wonder how they could have addressed this intelligently in the other planets. (I kind of love the idea of quest chains that simply don't trigger if you do things in the right order, but also can see the disadvantages of players accidentally cutting themselves out of ~content~).
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I remember reading something on Voeld about ice getting shipped off to Eos
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I mean I guess the easiest would be to have some lines of dialog where you ask about the Voeld ice and they're like "oh yeah, we know about that but it takes time to get interplanetary bulk shipping up and running and our people are dying NOW, Ryder."
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Arglebargle III posted:Are you trying to say this is bad? Mass Effect 2 had the worst combat and its plot was bad if just because it basically forced you to work with Cerberus. Good characters though.
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Magil Zeal posted:Mass Effect 2 had the worst combat and its plot was bad if just because it basically forced you to work with Cerberus. Forcing you to work for Cerberus is especially dumb if your Shepard has the sole survivor background.
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It's interesting that players don't seem to mind Mass Effect 3 forcing you to work for the military.
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2house2fly posted:It's interesting that players don't seem to mind Mass Effect 3 forcing you to work for the military. Because Shep's back story is literally that he was an N7 in the military.
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2house2fly posted:It's interesting that players don't seem to mind Mass Effect 3 forcing you to work for the military. I wonder why that could be
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Dexo posted:Because Shep's back story is literally that he was an N7 in the military. If you can believe it, there are some players who wanted to work with Cerberus and hate the Alliance
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Magil Zeal posted:Mass Effect 2 had the worst combat and its plot was bad if just because it basically forced you to work with Cerberus. Actually, it's good, and Cerberus in ME1 was bad, because ME1 was badly written.
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Lt. Danger posted:Actually, it's good, and Cerberus in ME1 was bad, because ME1 was badly written. Cerberus in ME1 was side-plot material and served its purpose as a rogue black-ops group that performed some dangerous experiments that failed. I hardly see how that's indicative of bad writing. Shallow maybe, but it wasn't really set up to be the much larger entity that it transformed into in 2. I jumped from finishing ME1 right into ME2 and the transition is really, really stupid.
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It was good you were able to bitch about working for Cerberus every chance you got and leave them at the end by flipping the bird at TIM when destroying the collector base and taking all the cool stuff they gave you.
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SgtSteel91 posted:It was good you were able to bitch about working for Cerberus every chance you got and leave them at the end and flipping the bird at TIM by destroying the collector base and taking all the cool stuff they gave you. That is good yes.
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Lt. Danger posted:Actually, it's good, and Cerberus in ME1 was bad, because ME1 was badly written. s e r v e d
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Arcsquad12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDAxIVQE0To lmao is that character model at 1:05 for real.
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lol the bugs vetra's model vanished halfway through her loyalty mission.
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Dexo posted:Because Shep's back story is literally that he was an N7 in the military. And in ME2 his current story is literally that he has to work with Cerberus to stop the Reapers.
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Magil Zeal posted:Cerberus in ME1 was side-plot material and served its purpose as a rogue black-ops group that performed some dangerous experiments that failed. I hardly see how that's indicative of bad writing. Shallow maybe, but it wasn't really set up to be the much larger entity that it transformed into in 2. The Geth in ME1 were antagonists and served their purposes as bad robots that Shepard could shoot without being worried about the morality of killing hundreds of opponents. I hardly see how that's indicative of bad writing. Shallow maybe, but the Geth weren't really set up to have factions and differences of opinion that they transformed into in 2. I jumped from finishing ME1 right into ME2 and the transition is really, really stupid.
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Wiseblood posted:Forcing you to work for Cerberus is especially dumb if your Shepard has the sole survivor background. What other faction would have been willing to back Shepard? Remember, you're largely operating in non-alliance territory.
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fruit on the bottom posted:What other faction would have been willing to back Shepard? Remember, you're largely operating in non-alliance territory. Legion's geth friends.
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What is, like, ME1 Cerberus for, though? In ME2 Cerberus is part of the whole "fight for the lost" thing where the traditional power structures (which after ME1 we now realise are corrupt) properly begin to break down, and Shepard has to team up with criminals and outcasts to save the galaxy. The unholy alliance with TIM is much of a sameness as teaming up with the likes of Jack, Thane, Mordin and Legion. It's a deal with the devil, yeah? And Shepard's walk on the wild side is what gives them the tools to eventually take down the Reapers. In ME1 Cerberus are a generic high-tech humanoid enemy group with an unspecified agenda to carry out unethical experiments for unclear reasons. What was the purpose of turning people into killer zombies, and to what end were they going to employ these zombie weapons? Why did they send soldiers into a thresher maw nest, and what did they learn from the pointless slaughter? That a squad of humans aren't a match for a group of colossal galactic apex predators? Most of the jokes about Cerberus' incompetence come from these ME1 misfires. It's part of this orphaned idea about how sometimes science can be bad when the wrong people, e.g. Cerberus/Exogeni/Binary Helix, get their hands on it. But where does ME1 go with this?
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Lt. Danger posted:What is, like, ME1 Cerberus for, though? It doesn't go anywhere with it. It barely gives any background about anything that isn't a main character. Like, there are rumblings of incompetence and corruption in Citadel security throughout each of your visits to the place, but it never ever gets addressed.
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in me2 it is revealed that every time you kill a geth you are actually killing millions of individuals most of which arent combat oriented at all every "lmao im gonna paste this geth in the mako" moment is equivilent to hiroshima
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Fojar38 posted:in me2 it is revealed that every time you kill a geth you are actually killing millions of individuals most of which arent combat oriented at all I thought it was the opposite, that each Geth platform was linked to a huge server/consciousness that was housed somewhere far off, and that most of the low-level thinking was done by consensus in these hubs while individual sensory data was uploaded once in a while to be disseminated. So when you kill a robot you're basically just killing a locally networked camera with a gun. Legion is the only platform with all the experimental independence.
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Any suggestions for crafting sniper rifles? It looks like all the fun augmentations make them garbage.
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Just finished. Happy with the game in the end.
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