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Season 2 was probably given more leeway because they had nothing in the pipeline, unlike Season 2 of 00 and Geas R2 when they already had a set year of shows. I mean, they had to throw in a half-baked Unicorn series just to fill space for the timeslot between the breaks.
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Tae posted:Season 2 was probably given more leeway because they had nothing in the pipeline, unlike Season 2 of 00 and Geas R2 when they already had a set year of shows. That should've put them right in the crosshairs for meddling though, because it has to do well as the only show in the pipeline. Generally in situations where you see a show or game turn out amazingly well in spite of itself like this, it means there was another one taking the brunt of the unwanted attention at the time from the same studio/publisher.
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GimmickMan posted:Not too surprising, given how many of them got cancelled or changed directors along the way. Not many were though. I know of 5 definite ones across both possibilities, and there's maybe one or two more that I'm not sure of or being generous for ones I don't know. In a franchise with at least 26 entries total including TV anime, OVA and films. Cancelled projects being 0079 and X, while 08th MS Team and 0083 had changed directors. Zeonic Translations recently translated some F91 stuff that spread some light on it's production, including that the staff were never told whether F91 was going to be a film or TV animation and operated under that confusion for months. So it was really cancelled, but the end result is similar enough that it might as well still be counted as one. Which is 5 total, out of at least 16 TV animations, 5 OVAs and 5 films. Tae posted:I mean, they had to throw in a half-baked Unicorn series just to fill space for the timeslot between the breaks. That's not why Unicorn: 0096 exists. It exists because Brave Beats or some other show was cancelled and they needed something to air in it's vacant slot. tsob fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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The article reminds me of the time I read that a lot of Cross Ange's shoddier aspects were attributed to Gundam Seed's Director Mitsuo Fukuda (Cross Ange's Producer). I'm guessing at the point where Ange's development started, he was just trying to stay focused due to the stress of taking care of his wife (Chiaki Morosawa, who was G-Seed's main writer). Poor guy. 
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Overall a fairly solid ending. Things end up a bit too happy for what they are. Rustal being reform-minded totally makes sense but at the end of the day they veered a bit too hard on it offscreen so it fills a little ill-earned. Kudelia basically got poo poo on by the plot and ended up doing nothing but be Mika's Sad Waifu despite the show trying to pretend otherwise. Still, I respect them for actually sticking the landing on the concept. Mika being brutally slaughtered and his metaphorical head literally thrust upon a spike as a symbol of evil is a really potent image.
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Wark Say posted:The article reminds me of the time I read that a lot of Cross Ange's shoddier aspects were attributed to Gundam Seed's Director Mitsuo Fukuda (Cross Ange's Producer). I'm guessing at the point where Ange's development started, he was just trying to stay focused due to the stress of taking care of his wife (Chiaki Morosawa, who was G-Seed's main writer). Poor guy. Wait, wait. What parts of Cross Ange weren't shoddy?
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Apr 2, 2017 17:51
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Wait, wait. What parts of Cross Ange weren't shoddy? I haven't watched it but from its SRWV appearance it at at least tries to tell a story about how hosed up some social rules we take for granted are and makes the final villain a walking talking redditor who only cares about women for being pure waifus. I don't know if it succeeds at it (and I doubt it does) but y'know. I mean in SRWV the main character literally gives a speech about how hosed up it is that gay people are treated like outcasts and she is fighting for a world where they can live without being judged so y'know, I presume it has at least something good buried beneath the awful poo poo.
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Apr 2, 2017 17:53
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Wait, wait. What parts of Cross Ange weren't shoddy?  )This was the first Gundam she watched as it was airing and she seems to have liked it. I even taught her how to do the awesome celtic battle theme in Violin, so maybe she's not completely hopeless. 
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I more or less knew what was going to happen, but I thought the feeling was going to be a lot darker than it ended up actually being In the end all a mixture of self-serving pragmatism and good natured idealism work together in a way that makes the world a better place i'll take that over the power of psychic ghosts creating trans-temporal universal empathy
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Somebody earlier in the thread predicted the show would have an ending similar to Fang of the Sun Dougram, and drat were they spot-on
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I now have a powerful urge for an IBO AMV set to 'Hammer to Fall'. I know it's a Cold War song, but I still think it'd fit really well. We who grew up tall and proud In the shadow of the Dainsleif cloud...
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Decent ending. Gonna agree with the sentiment that the stuff about democracy coming to Mars anyways didn't really feel earned but I was cool with everything else, particularly with the various character endings, especially Mikazuki's final battle.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Somebody earlier in the thread predicted the show would have an ending similar to Fang of the Sun Dougram, and drat were they spot-on I've been noticing parallels from Episode 1 honestly. It's been really following that path from the beginning with the politicking, and seeing it end this way makes alot of sense.
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I liked that though the ending paints a nicer, brighter picture of the IBOverse than when it started, it keeps kind of winking and nudging that the process of getting there was not at all clean despite the official story. Oh, and Gjallarhorn reforming because three of the Seven Stars are dead and gone, and not also because of the controversies the ignited the coup, I mean, the McGillis Fareed Incident. History is complicated but society enjoys a clean narrative.
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Well, the ending was a mixed bag for me. Add me to the crowd who felt the wrap up of Mars' situation was a little too cozy, but hey at least there's a happy ending there overall. On the other hand, rest in piss Iok Kujan. Sadly, he did not overtake Chronicle Asher as the most hilariously embarrassing Gundam death, but is a solid runner-up in my book. Glad that Akihiro got some revenge at least. As for Ride, I am satisfied that some people who lived didn't get happy endings, but I do feel bad that one of the more positive members got the less happy ending. Overall, like others have been saying, IBO stuck the landing very well, considering other series in the past have messed up on that part in various ways.
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And with a single bad decision, Iok paves the way to a reformed, democratic Gjallarhorn. Get hosed you incompetent boob. I'm cool with this. If nothing else, it was certainly the most  last episode in Gundam history.
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AtheistMantis posted:Who the hell was that blonde mechanic in the ending? Yamagi?
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Even the curse of the second season died.
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paragon1 posted:Iok died, therefore Good End. "Colasaur your way out of this one, motherfucker."
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Rustal finally pinned down the proper title for Tekkaden and Mikizuki. They are not space rats to be crushed with ease, but beasts who you must do everything possible to prevent from emerging in the first place. I think that fact spurred on a lot of what Rustal did after the dust settled he didn't want to risk another such group emerging and this time tearing apart the system he cared so much about. So better to start the change himself so that he could have some control over what happened.
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AtheistMantis posted:Who the hell was that blonde mechanic in the ending? Psycho Landlord posted:Yamagi? Yep. And look at the symbol on his jacket. 
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DigitalRaven posted:"Colasour your way out of this one, motherfucker." 
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Less Colasour. More coleslaw. Funny. The Garma clone was the only surviving Gundam pilot.
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chiasaur11 posted:Less Colasour. More coleslaw. Regardless of if you think he's Garma or not, he's a great CHAR acter. Small detail that might not be possible to verify- was Ride using the gun Mika lent Orga? It doesn't have any distinguishing markings that I can see so I guess there's no way to tell. Edit: jackhunter64 posted:Yep. And look at the symbol on his jacket. Just noticed that Dane works for the same company, presumable Zach too. Also they have a Haro on a desk. BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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BizarroAzrael posted:Just noticed that Dane works for the same company, presumable Zach too. Also they have a Haro on a desk. That guy is not shaped like a human 
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BizarroAzrael posted:Regardless of if you think he's Garma or not, he's a great CHAR It may be Zack's dads company. But who knows least they got a decent job that does not involve risking their lives.
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Guy Goodbody posted:That guy is not shaped like a human Look, he's just fresh off his role in Attack on Titan, be nice.
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Guy Goodbody posted:That guy is not shaped like a human Remember that this is the Post Disaster era, where there are reasons for people being oddly-shaped and incredibly strong.
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decided to start watching this on a whim a couple days ago (good timing since I got to the ending right as it was released), and man this was a lot darker than I remember gundam being. tho to be fair, the last one I watched in its entirety was g gundam so  I liked it a lot tho. I don't mind that the ending gave mars about the happiest ending it could have gotten, considering like 3/4s of the main cast there is dead by the end. I can understand not being sold on it tho
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The show's moral seems thoroughly un-Gundam. A big stupid clusterfuck war with no political coordination manages through nebulous contrivance to fix every problem in the world. All of the survivors (including the shady mafia don) turn out to be good guys except for the ruthless businessman, who gets conveniently assassinated. There are the elements of a good 12 or 24 episode show but there's so much filler and plots that don't go anywhere that it ends up a thoroughly mediocre 50-episode show.
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Guy Goodbody posted:That guy is not shaped like a human Jack is looking good in his dad's suit. Megafunk fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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Microcline posted:The show's moral seems thoroughly un-Gundam. A big stupid clusterfuck war with no political coordination manages through nebulous contrivance to fix every problem in the world. All of the survivors (including the shady mafia don) turn out to be good guys except for the ruthless businessman, who gets conveniently assassinated. What about it is "un-Gundam"? What Gundam are you referring to? There's a lot of Gundam series with different and often conflicting morals and themes. IBO's approach to child soldiers dovetails nicely with UC Gundam's take on newtypes and cyber newtypes, for example.
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I think at end of the day IBO is now my favorite Gundam series. I felt both incredibly satisfied with some parts of the ending as well as frustrated and unsatisfied with others, but overall I don't think I've ever flat out enjoyed a Gundam show as much. A fair portion of why might be how much I liked Mikazuki and adored the design of the Barbatos, admittedly. As for my only real complaints it's just that Rustal basically got off scot free, even if he changed things for the better in the end. The other being Julietta's "fight" with Mika being basically nothing on her end and yet she got credit for defeating him. Which was likely part of Rustal's plan in the first place, but that's just another part of why it was frustrating to see play out. Other than that though, yeah, A+ series will probably go back and watch it all again someday.
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Kanos posted:What about it is "un-Gundam"? What Gundam are you referring to? There's a lot of Gundam series with different and often conflicting morals and themes. IBO's approach to child soldiers dovetails nicely with UC Gundam's take on newtypes and cyber newtypes, for example. Though I do think that when Tomino finds out that his franchise was used as the basis for a romanticised allegorical history of Imperial Japan, there's going to be blood on the desks at Sunrise.
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Microcline posted:The show's moral seems thoroughly un-Gundam. A big stupid clusterfuck war with no political coordination manages through nebulous contrivance to fix every problem in the world. All of the survivors (including the shady mafia don) turn out to be good guys except for the ruthless businessman, who gets conveniently assassinated. There is a story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. "Such bad luck," they said sympathetically. "We'll see," the farmer replied. The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed. "We'll see," replied the old man. The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune. "We'll see," answered the farmer. The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out. "We'll see" said the farmer. A McGillis/Tekkadan victory carried within it the seeds of its own destruction. A peaceful transition of power from Rustal Elion to Kudelia Bernstein? We'll see.
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Microcline posted:The show's moral seems thoroughly un-Gundam. A big stupid clusterfuck war with no political coordination manages through nebulous contrivance to fix every problem in the world. All of the survivors (including the shady mafia don) turn out to be good guys except for the ruthless businessman, who gets conveniently assassinated. Argas posted:I liked that though the ending paints a nicer, brighter picture of the IBOverse than when it started, it keeps kind of winking and nudging that the process of getting there was not at all clean despite the official story. Oh, and Gjallarhorn reforming because three of the Seven Stars are dead and gone, and not also because of the controversies the ignited the coup, I mean, the McGillis Fareed Incident. History is complicated but society enjoys a clean narrative.
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