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U.S. mulls F-35s for Taiwan deal If you're going to get them invaded could you at least not do it by selling them a bunch of those piece of poo poo airplanes.  That's one way to put it... quote:To: TigerLikesRooster Haha even Freepers hate the F-35 quote:To: TigerLikesRooster quote:To: TigerLikesRooster quote:To: TigerLikesRooster Are we sure this is a good idea?  quote:To: TigerLikesRooster quote:To: TigerLikesRooster quote:To: TigerLikesRooster  gently caress no, we don't want it! Take it back! Take it Back!quote:To: cba123 quote:To: CivilWarBrewing quote:To: TigerLikesRooster Art of the Deal! quote:To: DoodleDawg
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Xiahou Dun posted:Well gently caress. I asked. God drat it Freep Typical lib, accepting a handout and preaching the values of internationalisation! as a very not racist christian, i hope a tragedy befalls you and your family that you cannot afford to pay for and this teaches you that interacting with other races is wrong (again i am not racist)
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jojoinnit posted:Wow. I assume this is about the Pentagon? The one that crashed in Pennsylvania that was reportedly headed to either the White House or the Capitol, I'm guessing.
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McGlockenshire posted:To: SeekAndFind Except all the freepers that think Trump is the second coming and are now shocked that he sucks and doesn't give a flying gently caress about them, Obama was a marxist commie facist, kenyan, muslim dictator and Hillary kills babies.
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Georgia Peach posted:The one that crashed in Pennsylvania that was reportedly headed to either the White House or the Capitol, I'm guessing.  Jesus Christ, I didn't think freep could still shock me
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^Either the capitol building, or he's one of those dumbshits with broke brain that thinks Obama was in charge when 9/11 took placeJagged Jim posted:To: cba123 Lol, why? The Chinese already got the plans and built a better version. SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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SocketWrench posted:^Either the capitol building, or he's one of those dumbshits with broke brain that thinks Obama was in charge when 9/11 took place Probably capitol building. Nothing gets a freeper's blood boiling like CONGRESS.
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Jagged Jim posted:U.S. mulls F-35s for Taiwan deal What the hell is a nork? Somehow I don't think they're calling foreigners orcs, though that'd be at least a different way for Freep to label them 'racially inferior'.
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Prism posted:
"Nor"th "K"orean
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Apr 3, 2017 13:39
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I've never heard that particular word so I'm going to assume it's ancient or uniquely American. Given Freepers, possibly both, like when they bust out 'Chicom'. Thanks.
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Apr 3, 2017 13:42
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You'll see it used around North Korea threads here too, along with Best Korea and Dear Leader
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Xiahou Dun posted:Well gently caress. I asked. God drat it Freep I don't live in NYC, but I've visited often enough that I've spent about 2 months of my life there in the past decade. Apart from isolated crazies, it's one of the most inclusive places I've been. The population in just about any neighborhood is every color of the human rainbow if you include passers-by, even in traditional ethnic enclaves. One building or street will have black, white, Latino, Southeast Asian, Indian, Pacific Islander, and Arabic people mingling and doing business. I'd be surprised if any Freepers lived in NYC. It's really loving difficult to be racist there unless you're mentally unwell.
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I imagine you would either not be able to be racist, or you would be the most omni-racist shut-in in the universe, just peeking out through the blinders at a horrible They Live-style horror.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Pearl Harbor was really what kicked America into the war. Before that the American public wanted to maintain the isolationism that had been typical for America for a while. It was viewed as Their Problem rather than ours. The fight just wasn't really happening in the Americas and like, who cares of Germany conquers Europe and Africa and Japan takes Asia? That's not here so it isn't our problem. American leadership of course realized that the aggression wouldn't stop until it was stopped. America was going to end up involved in the war whether we liked it or not. The lend/lease stuff was where it started. It was pretty easy to spin, really; hey folks we're just sending some stuff to nations we like and hey you're getting paid to make it so it's cool, you know? Americans aren't fighting and Americans aren't dying so whatever. Meanwhile they were increasing military spending and buffing military strength as much as was politically viable. Well, the US military was also unofficially fighting Germany for years before Pearl Harbor in the North Atlantic. FDR and the military leadership knew perfectly well open war was coming and weren't shy about doing everything short of declaring war themselves.
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There was also the pilots fighting China earlier
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:I imagine you would either not be able to be racist, or you would be the most omni-racist shut-in in the universe, just peeking out through the blinders at a horrible They Live-style horror. Lots of people in NYC are racist, but it's a different kind of racism, more "screw those guys and their dumb inconvenient religious festivals blocking MY parking space" or "X minority has noisy parties all night and their cooking smells bad" rather than "Send them to the camps!"
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Yeah more like "Those Irish like to drink and fight huh" rather than "Don't feed the Irish." When they aren't exposed to the people their hate is directed towards trying to protect their not seeing those people.
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The Senate started their hearings into Russian election influencing last week. These hearings started with testimony from Clint Watts of the Foreign Policy Research Institute. During that testimony, he discussed a wide variety of actions Russia seemed to take. One story stuck out to me as interesting. In late July of 2016, Sputnik and RT started spreading stories about how a NATO base in Turkey was allegedly under attack, and that this threat was particularly dangerous because there's a nuclear weapon storage facility there. There was no attack. The entire thing was made up. Nevertheless, Paul Manafort talked about these attacks in an interview he did in the middle of August. We already knew at the time that the attacks were bogus. Part of the testimony tied into the story we saw a few weeks ago about how US intelligence agencies are looking into RWM sources to determine if they cooperated with the Russians. The fake news about the base attack in Turkey became popular primarily by spreading through social media. I remember seeing a few threads about this on freep, and I decided I'd cover one of them for the entertainment value. So I went digging, and I won't be covering these after all because there are too many of them.
Freep loves screeching now about fake news this and fake news that, all the while falling for actual fake news and never realizing it because they've been poisoned by years and years of being told that objective reality isn't objective or real, and the only trustable sources are ones that confirm their biases and fears. Or, in other words, we are hosed as a nation. McGlockenshire fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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Jesus gently caress. More like disinformation technology. The worst is that there seems to be no good way to fight it.
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Fathis Munk posted:Jesus gently caress. I want to say that we can fight it. That through education and persistence we can fight poo poo like this and make a difference. But I can't. NPR recently ran a segment on 1A about how the internet was supposed to be the greatest educational tool, and that information would flow like never before. But, instead, it's mostly turned into a series of camps and tribes that often confirm our biases rather than stop them, and even given voice to worse ideas that were once on a downward spiral. So, yeah, we are kinda hosed.
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J.A.B.C. posted:I want to say that we can fight it. That through education and persistence we can fight poo poo like this and make a difference. But I can't. I've posted a link a few times before, but a study on the "media spheres" found that it's really the right wing that's fallen for media with an extreme confirmation bias to such a degree that it's affected their judgement. Analyzing connections through Twitter and Facebook reposts and comments finds that the left wing still puts stock into mainstream media and traditional sources that have transferred to the Internet, while the right wing is mostly off in its own bubble of Breitbart and Infowars. Which is a bad thing because that's the side of American politics that actually wants things like concentration camps, conversion therapy, and legalized murder of certain inconvenient people.
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chitoryu12 posted:I've posted a link a few times before, but a study on the "media spheres" found that it's really the right wing that's fallen for media with an extreme confirmation bias to such a degree that it's affected their judgement. Analyzing connections through Twitter and Facebook reposts and comments finds that the left wing still puts stock into mainstream media and traditional sources that have transferred to the Internet, while the right wing is mostly off in its own bubble of Breitbart and Infowars. Is their population actively declining though? Right wingers have been a problem in the US since forever, and they obviously aren't sophisticated enough to separate fact from fiction on the internet, but are people that are currently young unable to as well, or is it just old people that didn't grow up with the internet. Or what? You've read the link, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
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McGlockenshire posted:
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I've been lurking since the previous iteration of the thread, and I've checked out all the greatest hits. Even so, this:quote:The kids would go to the local Episcopal school, get fed full of crap, and then have to endure my de-programming at night. is the most chilling thing I've ever read on Freep. Like powerlessly watching child abuse in real-time. We definitely can fight the right-wing Fake News poo poo, but every child that gets lost to this poo poo is going to make the fight that much harder. This is how Freepers are born.
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Or they go to college and become a crazy hippie because gently caress you dad
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chitoryu12 posted:I don't live in NYC, but I've visited often enough that I've spent about 2 months of my life there in the past decade. Apart from isolated crazies, it's one of the most inclusive places I've been. The population in just about any neighborhood is every color of the human rainbow if you include passers-by, even in traditional ethnic enclaves. One building or street will have black, white, Latino, Southeast Asian, Indian, Pacific Islander, and Arabic people mingling and doing business. Counterpoint: Staten Island
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davecrazy posted:Counterpoint: Staten Island That doesn't count as NYC and you know it. Captain Monkey posted:Is their population actively declining though? Right wingers have been a problem in the US since forever, and they obviously aren't sophisticated enough to separate fact from fiction on the internet, but are people that are currently young unable to as well, or is it just old people that didn't grow up with the internet. Or what? You've read the link, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts. To my knowledge, the study didn't adjust for age or location. It was entirely based on what their social media linked to and reposted the most, turned into a data cloud and graphs.
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I really don't understand why some people believe "the internet exists" means "people that use it will stop being stupid and believing stupid things".
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The potential of the internet and all of human knowledge at your fingertips turning out to be a vast repository of dumb memes and porn reminds me of how early in television's life people thought it would allow for Shakespeare's plays and Mozart's operas to become accessible to all. Though we are in a golden age of television with a lot of genuinely artistic shows. So maybe it just takes ~60 years? Normalish internet by 2050!
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Pontius Pilate posted:The potential of the internet and all of human knowledge at your fingertips turning out to be a vast repository of dumb memes and porn reminds me of how early in television's life people thought it would allow for Shakespeare's plays and Mozart's operas to become accessible to all. Pawn Stars still exists.
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Pontius Pilate posted:The potential of the internet and all of human knowledge at your fingertips turning out to be a vast repository of dumb memes and porn reminds me of how early in television's life people thought it would allow for Shakespeare's plays and Mozart's operas to become accessible to all. A good 2/3 of Shakespeare and Mozart is their day's fairly trashy lowbrow entertainment, as originally performed though... Shakespeare especially, it's chock full of dick jokes and cracks on how various people's mothers are whores.
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Apr 4, 2017 01:47
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Have any Freepers reacted to Trump signing the anti-privacy bill?
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fishmech posted:A good 2/3 of Shakespeare and Mozart is their day's fairly trashy lowbrow entertainment, as originally performed though... But how will we judge people for liking the wrong things if we admit that humanity has always loved really lovely low brow entertainment a lot?
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To be honest, is "People can just listen to the evidence they want in their desired echo chamber!" any different from how things used to be? 50 or 60 years ago, there wasn't a repository of fact-checked knowledge at everyone's fingertips. If you believed something, you had to go out of your way to be disproven. Science and history books were full of errors, mythology, and racist and misogynistic beliefs masquerading as fact. In the pre-Snopes world, any urban legend could be spread far and wide with little ability even for skeptics to prove it untrue, especially not quickly.
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Captain Monkey posted:But how will we judge people for liking the wrong things if we admit that humanity has always loved really lovely low brow entertainment a lot? Comedy has literally always been dick jokes and farting and calling Socrates a dumb smelly fuckhead and at some level that is refreshing, humans have pretty much always been humans in that regard.
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Neeksy posted:Have any Freepers reacted to Trump signing the anti-privacy bill? Not really, this is the only thread I could find and it hasn't even reached double digit replies. Not just Clean Coal but Super Clean Coal! quote:To: Aevery_Freeman This is a good thing, right? quote:To: johnk quote:To: moovova
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Feinne posted:Comedy has literally always been dick jokes and farting and calling Socrates a dumb smelly fuckhead and at some level that is refreshing, humans have pretty much always been humans in that regard. The oldest recorded joke is a combination sex joke and fart joke. 
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chitoryu12 posted:To be honest, is "People can just listen to the evidence they want in their desired echo chamber!" any different from how things used to be? 50 or 60 years ago, there wasn't a repository of fact-checked knowledge at everyone's fingertips. If you believed something, you had to go out of your way to be disproven. Science and history books were full of errors, mythology, and racist and misogynistic beliefs masquerading as fact. In the pre-Snopes world, any urban legend could be spread far and wide with little ability even for skeptics to prove it untrue, especially not quickly. I mean you go back 60 years ago? Every major city had like 3-6 different newspapers, and all of them were very heavily leaning to one party/political tendency or another. Conservatives read the Whatever Gazette, liberals the Whatever Inquirer, the hardcore leftists read the Whatever Worker, the proto-Birchers read the Whatever Star and so on. You only have 1-3 TV channels in a given area, but they all try to stay extremely "neutral" so they don't really do anything to speak out against anyone's political viewpoint being bolstered by the newspapers and to a limited extent the radio (though radio stayed fairly "neutral" as well on national-network stations, local independent stations start to have it). On top of that there were a good selection of mail-based newsletters and things like that for those who wanted to really get into an echo chamber.
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