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STAC Goat posted:Eh, I'm a little torn on that. I like the poetry of Mick and Snart trading places morally, I just don't really buy that Mick is there. Like on some level I accept that Mick cares about his Legends shipmates... but he didn't seem to mind leaving them to their own personal hells until he got bored with being in his own where there was no thrill in stealing. I mean, Sara was murdering her friends. Mick was cool with that. Neutral evil: A neutral evil character is typically selfish and has no qualms about turning on its allies-of-the-moment, and usually makes allies primarily to further their own goals.[9] A neutral evil character has no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit for themselves. Another valid interpretation of neutral evil holds up evil as an ideal, doing evil for evil's sake and trying to spread its influence.[9] Examples of the first type are an assassin who has little regard for formal laws but does not needlessly kill, a henchman who plots behind their superior's back, or a mercenary who switches sides if made a better offer. An example of the second type would be a masked killer who strikes only for the sake of causing fear and distrust in the community. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons) Not exactly but he seems to kind of orbit within neutral evil and neutral IMO.
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STAC Goat posted:I mean, Sara was murdering her friends. Mick was cool with that. Murdering Felicity is an unequivocally good thing anyone should be cool with.
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Mar 31, 2017 00:32
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In the altered reality season 4 of Arrow is the only season.
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Christ, Cisco was really, really gross this episode. I didn't have too many problems with their shoehorned in relationship, but man, was that uncomfortable to watch. Not really feeling the Draco/Caitlin relationship, either, but whatever. Savitar is really looking like Future Barry, too, like everyone has said.
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Sir Potato posted:Not really feeling the Draco/Caitlin relationship, either, but whatever. Well, good news! Killer Frost can't kiss someone without it killing them!
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In hindsight that relationship feels like it was just forced to give Julian emotional motivation to try and cure Kaitlin and risk doing the Alchemy thing again. So my guess is that he manages to save Kaitlin but loses himself in the process.
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The real question is who is savitar going to start dating since literally everyone else on the show has had time devoted to their relationship drama.
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Space Crabs posted:The real question is who is savitar going to start dating since literally everyone else on the show has had time devoted to their relationship drama. HG
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Space Crabs posted:The real question is who is savitar going to start dating since literally everyone else on the show has had time devoted to their relationship drama. Black Flash
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Space Crabs posted:The real question is who is savitar going to start dating since literally everyone else on the show has had time devoted to their relationship drama. Barry, all he ever wanted was for the fastest man alive to notice him.
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Longbaugh01 posted:Black Flash Wally is already seeing Jessie though?
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Sir Potato posted:Christ, Cisco was really, really gross this episode. I didn't have too many problems with their shoehorned in relationship, but man, was that uncomfortable to watch. Not really feeling the Draco/Caitlin relationship, either, but whatever. Savitar is really looking like Future Barry, too, like everyone has said. Yeah, thirsty Cisco is a very gross Cisco. Even the last time he was pressing that chick was weird as hell.
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Chokes McGee posted:Wally is already seeing Jessie though? Knew someone would go there.
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Longbaugh01 posted:Knew someone would go there. Hey, if no one else is picking the low hanging fruit, it's perfectly okay to take. 
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I just caught up with the show, and I have to say, it wasn't a bad run of episodes. Really looking like Savitar is a rogue Future Barry. The musical episode was really close to perfect, it just could have used more than five songs. Wanted more of Barrowman's wonderful singing voice 
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Carlosologist posted:I just caught up with the show, and I have to say, it wasn't a bad run of episodes. Really looking like Savitar is a rogue Future Barry. The musical episode was really close to perfect, it just could have used more than five songs. Wanted more of Barrowman's wonderful singing voice If they do a musical episode next year, it should be with Legends and all of them singing in character including whoever's still left in the Legion
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I would have been okay with 4 or 5 songs if they were all originals.
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Tree Dude posted:I would have been okay with 4 or 5 songs if they were all originals. They should have started the episode in media res and had so, so, so much less spoken exposition. Cut down or just plain cut out the scenes that don't take place in the virtual musical reality. Have more of the characters take part in the fantasy. Seriously, people have been asking for this episode since Flash started (if not before). They needed to go all-out on this, and it really feels to me like they half-assed it to check that box.
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I'd kinda rather they not shoehorn in more episodes just because fanbases want it because...Glee.
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The Lord Bude posted:I want a 4 episode crossover between all the shows done entirely in song Les Miserables style. It'll be 5 shows next year if Black Lightning gets a series pick up (which of course it will. If they greenlight someone as batshit crazy on its head as Legends of Tomorrow, Black Lightning's a shoe-in).
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Aside from the Killer Frost stuff, which is dragging on somewhat painfully long, the only storyline which Caitlin has really had in the almost 3 seasons has basically been doomed romances. I doubt Tom Felton will be sticking around after this season so he's either going to turn evil, die or both. She really hasn't had any other stories developed, has she? I mean, they introduced her mother this season but it was also in the context of her Killer Frost subplot, and wasn't really developed further. Cisco has at least had a couple of short romance subplots, plus his sotryline involving Dante, and his continuing relationships with different versions of Harrison Wells, and developing his Vibe powers. I really feel like the writers are dropping the ball with Caitlin's character. I mean, at this point Jesse is probably a better developed character.STAC Goat posted:I think current Snart is a pretty fair representation of how he was back when he started before he made his "no bodies" deal with Barry, or did any of his family stuff, or bonded with the Legends. Original Snart was a killer, which is part of why Barry made that deal in the first place. STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I mean Mick's an interesting guy because he's clearly deeply damaged not only from his upbringing but from his run as Chronos (when they remember that).
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irlZaphod posted:Aside from the Killer Frost stuff, which is dragging on somewhat painfully long, the only storyline which Caitlin has really had in the almost 3 seasons has basically been doomed romances. I doubt Tom Felton will be sticking around after this season so he's either going to turn evil, die or both. She really hasn't had any other stories developed, has she...Cisco has at least had a couple of short romance subplots... Honestly, anything having to do with romantic relationships on this show has been bad, but focusing on Caitlin and Cisco specifically, you see how much of a dumpster fire it's been. I think this is what happens when you're somehow mandated to cram these things into a show despite it being inorganic. The only relationship on the show that so far hasn't been somehow annoying is Joe's, and even then I don't understand the necessity for it outside of "Let's give Joe a girlfriend!" and "We need more relationship stuff!" (And yes, Arrow also suffered from this and so did LoT S1 a bit. Supergirl has also already suffered this with James, and we'll see how the Mon-El thing works out but--let me guess-he probably won't be around after this season because that's the way it goes in CW land.)
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I don't mind relationship drama (although there is a LOT of it in CW shows), I just wish they'd give some characters other development outside of it.
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Barry had actual chemistry with the police lady but nope lmao she had to go like... study crime on her own planet but Barry runs to the other side of the country for ice cream on a whim...
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bring back old gbs posted:Barry had actual chemistry with the police lady but nope lmao she had to go like... study crime on her own planet There was always a clock on that because "ONE TRUE PAIRING." I mean gently caress, they even made the future newspaper say Iris West-Allen.
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Oh I forgot Ciscos girlfriend is literally from another dimension. Just pops in whenever. No big deal. haha gently caress the Barry/Iris poo poo, its so brutal
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bring back old gbs posted:but Barry runs to the other side of the country for ice cream on a whim... 
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Sorry I don't know why people say Barry and Patty had chemistry. Patty was so boring and forgettable I only remember her when someone makes this point once a month. The dude above didn't remember her name.
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Patty was ok but her story and departure were kind of weirdly abrupt. I liked Barry and Felicity.  But maybe they only really had chemistry in a "We both have unrequited love for someone, we should just settle and get together" kind of way.
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nine-gear crow posted:It'll be 5 shows next year if Black Lightning gets a series pick up (which of course it will. If they greenlight someone as batshit crazy on its head as Legends of Tomorrow, Black Lightning's a shoe-in). Is this really a thing? I assume the pitch includes Thunder and Lightning (maybe renamed) but where is it supposed to be?
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Xelkelvos posted:Is this really a thing? I assume the pitch includes Thunder and Lightning (maybe renamed) but where is it supposed to be? It certainly is. The pilot's already in production and could probably land in Legends' old Thursday timeslot. Apparently the pitch for the pilot is that Jefferson Pierce (man that's gonna get confusing if he ever meets Jax) comes out to retirement and becomes Black Lightning again after his daughters start stirring poo poo up and getting in trouble with the law by experimenting with their powers -- one's trying to become a vigilante like her father was, while the other is being courted to join a local criminal gang. It's basically Super Hero Dad. I assume we'll have more info on it fairly soon as the CW's supposedly going to be announcing what its Fall schedule is going to look like and its pilot pick ups in the next few weeks.
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It almost sounds like they like Joe's character so much that they wanted to build a show around the concept of "father to kids with powers" but have the Dad have powers as well.
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I mean, Black Lightning's a cool character who fits into the kind of "B-Team" nature of the Arrow-verse and has built in support team and family drama with his daughters. Plus it diversifies up your field of heroes with a character that has a bunch of topical stories to tell. I didn't know DC/CW had already ordered a fifth show but it doesn't surprise me at all that its Black Lightning. I mean, they made a Ray cartoon.
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It's a CW show, so which daughter will he secretly be in love with?
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pee out my butt posted:It's a CW show, so which daughter will he secretly be in love with? Both of course. There's like a CW rule about needing a triangle.
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nine-gear crow posted:It certainly is. The pilot's already in production and could probably land in Legends' old Thursday timeslot. Apparently the pitch for the pilot is that Jefferson Pierce (man that's gonna get confusing if he ever meets Jax) comes out to retirement and becomes Black Lightning again after his daughters start stirring poo poo up and getting in trouble with the law by experimenting with their powers -- one's trying to become a vigilante like her father was, while the other is being courted to join a local criminal gang. Hopefully they have him in the costume and goggles without the beard. Black Lightning is an interesting character, but outside of his daughters, I'd have to see his supporting cast and villains to get an idea of how good it might be. I know he was recently paired up with Blue Devil for a miniseries for some random reason Also this makes me continue to mourn the death of Dwayne McDuffy and that we're not getting a series based on Milestone properties (like Static).
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irlZaphod posted:
It's too bad they just didn't pull the loving trigger on either relationships for Felicity because it destroyed her character.
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STAC Goat posted:I didn't know DC/CW had already ordered a fifth show but it doesn't surprise me at all that its Black Lightning. They ordered a pilot that Fox initially passed on. Part of me wonders if they aren't doing it as a favor to Berlanti.
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