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Neo Rasa posted:Also made explicit when they find an intact head of their god and the first thing they do is put it in a microwave. That's what I would do.
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I always thought two separate ideas to explain the differences between the Space Jockey and the Engineers. 1. The Jockey is clearly organic. It has fossilized eye holes, and a mouth with teeth open in a dying scream. It is an organic creature whose nature and intent is clearly unknown. The Engineers were created by them (in a way that would perpetuate the obvious cycle in Prometheus) or simply heavily influenced by them, taking on their image and obsessed with genetically tinkering with themselves and the cargo the Jockey carried. 2. The Jockey is simply an Engineer, who through their seemingly religious obsession with genetic alteration and biomechanism, grew to titanic size and fused at the base level with his flight suit and craft. It's not as satisfying on the base level as the first idea, but does tie around the core body horror of the series (and add a nice counterpoint to the original film's horrific eggmorphing concept, only in this case voluntary, deliberate, guided and towards a purpose).
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BiggerBoat posted:That's what I would do. http://www.pravdareport.com/science/mysteries/07-02-2007/87167-alien_monster-0/ Also holy poo poo I would have sworn I heard about this a couple years ago, not a drat decade.
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Alienwarehouse posted:I hope a living Engineer makes a cameo in this. Me too, I'd like to see more done with a pretty good character design. I hope the story doesn't just shove Prometheus' questions under the rug. Rather, I hope they're made even more horrific and weird and traumatic! Unfortunately I suspect it's just going to be aliens killing people and people trying to survive.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcfSnaCRoKE EOMHEMEAKT on instagram leads to this alternate, more spoilery version: https://www.instagram.com/p/BScf4tFhV49/ Horrible Taste fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Basebf555 posted:That's one theory but its not necessary for Prometheus to fit in just fine with what we see in Alien. I don't agree that the Space Jockey is "clearly" not an Engineer, there's nothing definitive in that scene at all(which is what makes it so perfect). You find the Engineers in Prometheus to be boring, so you can concoct a scenario where the Space Jockey scene doesn't actually involve them if you want, but that's just one of many possibilities. What made the Space Jockey interesting and scary is that it was this apparently ancient creature that befell the Alien and died in visible agony; beyond that, we don't know anything about it other than that it's weird-looking, looks old as poo poo, and seems to be fused to its chair. I don't think revealing that it's actually an albino human in a suit helps any of those motifs, and likewise I don't think the 'Prometheus' themes of "an uncaring creator, who provides no answers" are enhanced by having the Engineers look like the Space Jockey when they're suited up. Like yeah I've seen the claim that the movie is being meta-textual, because just as the characters go seeking knowledge and learn that nothing is real except misery and disappointment, so too are "fuckin' Alien nerds" burned by finding out that their enigmatic Space Jockey is an albino giant, but it just rings hollow. What about the majority of fans who didn't want that Space Jockey question answered, and felt that one of the scariest and most interesting things about the Space Jockey was that it wasn't answered? I will say that if Ridley Scott does manage to make the Engineers and Space Jockey into two separate things, it'd not only be more thematically interesting than having them be the same thing, but it'd also give him an opportunity to have his cake and eat it too. To relate back to the original thread title, I've been seeing a really bizarre defense of the Theatrical Cut of 'Alien3' by a couple long-time members of an AvP forum I frequent, who claim the theatrical cut is "objectively" better than the Assembly Cut. I mean, yeah, there's elements of the theatrical cut that I prefer, but that version on the whole is objectively better?
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I love that the Space Jockey is a dude in a suit. I'm glad it's canon forever 100 years.
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CelticPredator posted:I love that the Space Jockey is a dude in a suit. I'm glad it's canon forever 100 years. And now all of them are dead, Thanks Ridley.
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Bugblatter posted:My biggest hope for Covenant is they will reveal that the xeno is also a man in a suit. When the third film comes out, we will learn that the facehugger is a hand in a glove. By Ridley's 5th Alien movie, we learn that humans are actually creatures in suits, bringing everything full-circle.
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Bugblatter posted:My biggest hope for Covenant is they will reveal that the xeno is also a man in a suit. When the third film comes out, we will learn that the facehugger is a hand in a glove. and that cigar in apones mouth? just a cigar
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Xenomrph posted:What about the majority of fans who didn't want that Space Jockey question answered, and felt that one of the scariest and most interesting things about the Space Jockey was that it wasn't answered? Majority?
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Xenomrph posted:What about the majority of fans who didn't want that Space Jockey question answered, and felt that one of the scariest and most interesting things about the Space Jockey was that it wasn't answered? Those people get to laugh at these morons who think they're actually going to find out some worthwhile information. They went looking for answers that they should have realized they didn't want, haha now they're going to die horrible deaths. As you've established before, there's nothing in Prometheus that prevents you from just going along with your own idea of what the Space Jockey is. If that makes watching Alien more enjoyable for you, have at it, nobody's stopping you.
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Horrible Taste posted:EOMHEMEAKT on instagram leads to this alternate, more spoilery version: Jesus. Something supremely hosed-up happened to Shaw.
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Where do aliens get the physical mass to drool so much? They must be losing their body weight in slobber multiple times a day.
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Baronjutter posted:Where do aliens get the physical mass to drool so much? They must be losing their body weight in slobber multiple times a day. Clearly you never met my dog.
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ZeeBoi posted:Shaw will be the queen in Covenant, won't she I'm pretty sure the reveal is going to be that she's a Queen or the first egg or the first xenomorph or something horrific, yeah. Probably with more body horror.
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Xenomrph posted:To relate back to the original thread title, I've been seeing a really bizarre defense of the Theatrical Cut of 'Alien3' by a couple long-time members of an AvP forum I frequent, who claim the theatrical cut is "objectively" better than the Assembly Cut. I mean, yeah, there's elements of the theatrical cut that I prefer, but that version on the whole is objectively better? I see this too and I will never understand it ever. Like the shot of the EEV with the miniatures hanging off it is cool, I get it, but theatrical Alien 3 only barely rises above any number of awful early 90s slasher movies where a bunch of random dudes/marines/whatever wander around in the dark for 90s minutes. Like at least Death Machine is a cool full size on set monster the whole time. I just finished an article about all the different Alien 3 video games, as I was addicted to quite a few of them. Replaying them again recently though I think Alien 3: The Gun and Alien 3 for the Game Boy are legit awesome still. But anyway the most interesting thing about Alien 3: The Gun is how it has a lot of weird stuff from previous incarnations of Alien 3, and I think these twelve random Sega dudes that made this game even got to see the work print that became the assembly cut we know now back in the early 90s because it straight up has the super facehugger, the alien kids bursting out of oxen, the Bishop at the end is called simply "An Unidentified Man" and is definitely human, the more primitive combat androids, etc. With the exception of the GB game every Alien 3 game tries to turn it into a balls out action game, but this rail shooter which you'd think would be the "dumbest" of them all actually had the most thought put into it and it really works as a cool alternate take on the movie as an Aliens-esque action film. It also has, I think, the earliest genuinely successful "we did extra work to make this look like a lovely computer" effect for its HUD and stuff.
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ZeeBoi posted:Shaw will be the queen in Covenant, won't she That would certainly bring her narrative arc regarding being unable to create life full circle, wouldn't it? Also that promo was extremely hosed up, I shuddered when I put the pieces together.
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CelticPredator posted:I love that the Space Jockey is a dude in a suit. I'm glad it's canon forever 100 years. you are, without a doubt, history's greatest monster.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:That would certainly bring her narrative arc regarding being unable to create life full circle, wouldn't it? You don't think her having an alien growing then removed from her already hit that theme?
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Speaking of old Alien video games, anyone else play Alien3? It was on the genesis (possibly Super NES too) and I remember it being hard as Hell. Never made it past like level 3 or 4. Every level was a sort of maze-like area and you had a time-limit to kill the aliens and rescue all the cocooned victims, maybe also pick up key items. I always felt really bad when I failed a level because when the time ran out, the screen would jump to each victim you didn't rescue and show a chestburster erupting. Oh no guy! I tried!
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LadyPictureShow posted:Speaking of old Alien video games, anyone else play Alien3? It was on the genesis (possibly Super NES too) and I remember it being hard as Hell. Never made it past like level 3 or 4. yeah it was on snes too. i really loved it, the mission hub and platforming idea was really cool and the environments were great
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The SNES, GB, and arcade Alien 3 games are each unique rad games that are very different from the run around a maze+find prisoners Alien 3 game that was on every other system. The worst of those was the NES port, it has an awesome new soundtrack by Jeroen Tel but the timer is soooo strict. Like if you do a perfect run through the level you'll have like twenty seconds left, a lot of the levels you make a single mistake you may as well restart.
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Groovelord Neato posted:you are, without a doubt, history's greatest monster. Hopefully they can find a way to kill hicks and Newt again.
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Neo Rasa posted:The SNES, GB, and arcade Alien 3 games are each unique rad games that are very different from the run around a maze+find prisoners Alien 3 game that was on every other system. The worst of those was the NES port, it has an awesome new soundtrack by Jeroen Tel but the timer is soooo strict. Like if you do a perfect run through the level you'll have like twenty seconds left, a lot of the levels you make a single mistake you may as well restart. I thought the SNES one was pretty much the same, only with a sort of overworld and mission selection instead of a strict linear level progression? Also, the aliens still show up out of nowhere and are fast as gently caress so you still have to memorize every area to play.
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The SNES Alien 3 is an original game with a very different look, totally different levels, objectives, etc. compared to the Alien 3 game available on the Amiga/Game Gear/Master System/C64/NES. All of those use the same levels/weapons/everything as the first Alien 3 game which was on the Genesis (except for the NES version which an exclusive soundtrack) and are very close to each other.
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What? I just booted it, you're still sidescrolling, still pulse rifle, flamethrower and grenades, still rescuing prisoners. It is not a port, but it is still essentially the same game.
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Biomute posted:What? I just booted it, you're still sidescrolling, still pulse rifle, flamethrower and grenades, still rescuing prisoners. It is not a port, but it is still essentially the same game. No it isn't. It plays almost completely differently without being a different genre. Edit: Like straight-up. They are similar on the surface but their gameplay is really different in terms of both design and mechanics. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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The Genesis version is strictly about rescuing prisoners before the time runs out, the SNES version has a much wider mission variety (welding doors, destroying eggs, accessing data terminals, collecting supplies, and yes occasionally rescuing prisoners). The weapon options are the same between the two games, but the animations and effects are much more fluid and impressive in the SNES version.
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Alien Breed 1, 2 and Tower Assault are the best alien games btw.
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Alien Breed is loving awesome. You can get the original with three additional episodes (with a smoother HD version of each's levels) on PS3/iOS/Vita/etc. if anyone has those and it's still fun, like a more focused Gauntlet. Just stay away from any Alien Breed product you see with a subtitle, these are not so great 3D remakes, just get the one titled Alien Breed only.
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Alien Syndrome is the best alien game.
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Thirsty Girl posted:Alien Syndrome is the best alien game. Alien Syndrome is loving awesome, and it's had some interesting (but unfairly hard) ports over the years. But it's great because each level involved rescuing prisoners on a timer but then it's like ***THE TIME BOMB IS SET*** and you have to book it to the exit once you find everyone and you fight cool body horror bosses. The bosses are cool enough they used them as regular enemies in the side scrolling beat'em up Alien Storm. There's a reboot of Alien Syndrome for the Wii, PS2, etc. that is kind of sort of good and bad as the same time. It actually has some nice art, some moody music, but it's kind of boring because they turned it into a get tons of loot game, but if you like Diablo it's pretty cool. If you get it on the Wii it offers four player coop on one screen which is loving awesome. Hover the definitive "modern" Alien Syndrome game is the 3D version that came out as a Sega Ages release on the PS2 in Japan. Fortunately if you have a US PS2 this game got a US release!!!! It's on a compilation called "Sega Classics Collection" even though it's a collection of these Sega Ages remakes and not the original. :???: Alien Syndrome's arcade promotional flyer and the cover for the NES port are both so good in different ways:  
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I would say the best Alien game in recent years is Duskers. It has the right mood, setting, gameplay and even the visuals and input method is evocative of truckers in space.
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Biomute posted:I would say the best Alien game in recent years is Duskers. It has the right mood, setting, gameplay and even the visuals and input method is evocative of truckers in space. Motion sensors activated Sensor Triggered: R2
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